faithfull?

[bobby]

How do american men who are looking for a russian wife know if they will be faithfull or not before bringing them to the united states, where american women tend to cheat on their husbands?

That is why I don't marry them. If you bring them here, they will become like the rest of the girls here (spoiled). Unless you married someone already in her mid-30's, you may be deceived in the future. Remember, don't marry anyone because of looks. See if there is the possibility of this girl falling in love with you (for real). Or even better, move there (many men have done that, at least in Russia, and I may be one of them)

Good luck and remember nothing in this world is for free.

Ya Ya I've considered that. Move to Russia. I'm a successful dot com'er so basically I could live anywhere in the world which I've considered but....

My biggest fear is that I couldn't take some of my accustomed to creature comforts, like fast internet or cell phones or my big Dodge Ram or sports bikes, dirt bikes, nice house in suburbia, digital theatre's, Big Malls, rollercoasters, it's the little things too like, satellite tv, dishwashers, swiss chalet, backyard swimming pool, Corona. Of course winters are probably brutal compared even to Canada so I guess a motorbike wouldn't be that practical, okay so I get a snowmobile, you think Yamaha is in Russia??? ahahaha

From what I hear these things are a huge luxury or rarity in Russia. Maybe I'm wrong. If I'm wrong someone by all means straighten me out here.

[katya]

</span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Oct. 11 2002,11:35)]Ya Ya I've considered that.

[katya]

</span>That is why I don't marry them. If you bring them here, they will become like the rest of the girls here (spoiled). Unless you married someone already in her mid-30's, you may be deceived in the future. Remember, don't marry anyone because of looks. See if there is the possibility of this girl falling in love with you (for real). Or even better, move there (many men have done that, at least in Russia, and I may be one of them)

Good luck and remember nothing in this world is for free.<span =''>
If you will become the slave lust your old age will be lonely, as the empty house.
Look back, look at itself and think of the one who you are, where you, and where you will be.

[iceman7311979]

I would also like to know if a woman from Russia (or anyother foreign country would stay faithful. Although my only really experince is with US women, I find it hard to trust that a woman will not cheat even from another country.

Call me untrusting, but I know what most women think when they see me. And in all my relationships it is the woman who ends it.

I love women, just find it hard to trust them.

[Vicky]

Iceman,
and what do they think?

[katya]

</span>[QUOTE= (iceman7311979 @ Nov. 04 2002,11:27)]I would also like to know if a woman from Russia (or anyother foreign country would stay faithful.

[Barracuda]

If it is your desire to posess and abuse someone then buy a dog. They will take abuse and still love you. If it the woman that you want to be faithful then first you must be faithful to her and give her no reason to have to look beyond you. If you cannot do this then as Katya mentions your house will be empty in your old age because you became a slave to lust and desires instead of building a relationship through hard work and perseverance.

Barracuda

[Vicky]

Can't agree more to Barracuda. As an observation - a rare woman would start anything first, I mean the psychology rarely allows women to be initiators, almost everything we do we do in response, so if a woman is not faithful, most probably it's because her partner showed irrespect to her and was not faithful to her.

[katya]

</span>If it is your desire to posess and abuse someone then buy a dog. They will take abuse and still love you. If it the woman that you want to be faithful then first you must be faithful to her and give her no reason to have to look beyond you. If you cannot do this then as Katya mentions your house will be empty in your old age because you became a slave to lust and desires instead of building a relationship through hard work and perseverance.

Barracuda<span =''>
in one poem is writing :woman will forgive you all, excepte inattention.
and it is right http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[iceman7311979]

To Vicky -- They think "Oh he's got money!" or the typical "loser" or "ugly".

And I know this only of American women no one I have spoken with over seas seems to believe this.

American women are stuck on outward apperance, or what he can do for you. I don't know what changes as you cross the seas but there is a difference. I don't know may-be foreign women hide it better. (I hope not)

My saying is -- Look past the noise on the outside and listen to the music of the soul.

My Grandpa taught me that. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

To Katya -- I trust all people. That is my problem even though I know that some women are using me I still try to trust them. And it is after having my heart broken so many times I find it harder and harder to trust women (at least American women).

[katya]

</span>[QUOTE= (iceman7311979 @ Nov. 08 2002,09:00)]To Katya -- I trust all people.

[iceman7311979]

</span>[QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 08 2002,19:31)]

[Matt]

[quote=Vicky,Nov. 05 2002,16:33]Can't agree more to Barracuda. As an observation - a rare woman would start anything first, I mean the psychology rarely allows women to be initiators, almost everything we do we do in response, so if a woman is not faithful, most probably it's because her partner showed irrespect to her and was not faithful to her.

[QUOTE]
I think that women are just as prone to cheating as men are and that I have cheated on a girlfreind when I was young and I had a girlfreind cheat on me later in life, I would never cheat again because it causes to mach hurt and for what? the point is everyone is human and you have to look at the individuall and see what they are, and if they are good for you. I have forgiven my lady for cheating but it continued so why go on. i know others that cheat constantly on their partners, it's who they are, they will never change. If you love yor partner and their best intrest is your best intrest then that is what matters.

Dude, this explains so much!!! After reading your various posts to other threads I can only conclude that you and your friends deserve each other and your wives.

[Matt]

Dude what are you talking about? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif just jumping on the bandwagon are you? I'm not into talking to guys Dude, sorry I think you want the other site, you know the guys who write to russian guys site, not that there is anything wrong with that. whatever makes you happy and floats your boat Dude.

[iceman7311979]

</span>Can't agree more to Barracuda. As an observation - a rare woman would start anything first, I mean the psychology rarely allows women to be initiators, almost everything we do we do in response, so if a woman is not faithful, most probably it's because her partner showed irrespect to her and was not faithful to her.<span =''>
I would never ever cheat on my girlfriend (if I had one http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif ), it is not in my nature.

When I enter any relationship I do so with the idea that this could be the woman I will spend the rest of my life with. I would never do anything to jeopardize that relationship.

However what I have seen is women dating a man. The man does something stupid, but forgivable. (Say forget and anniversary, or something) The woman to "punish the man" (her words by the way) cheated on him!!

But the point to this is that I do not believe in cheating, a relationship is built on trust. With out it the relationship can not last.

Matt

[katya]

</span><span =''>
Matt. Sometimes woman can be really sad. Of course, if her loving man forgetting about all thing , that so important for her all the time , for example, about her birthday. It is really not pleasure, and if anybody will make it with me , I

[Vicky]

Matt,

last thing I meant in the post was cheating, a deliberate cheating that is, or if a man just can't miss any cutie. When we enter a relationship we're full of "nevers", "always" and same stuff, and I don't say it's bad. But with the time - and that's truth of life - feelings yield to habit, you may still love a woman, but she's no longer the one who burns your desire, though you'd never change her for anyone else. And once - a lightning, you're dazzled, infatuated... but you still love your woman. Dilemma. You'll still be faithful? You step onto your sudden attraction to another? You part with your woman? You took your chance with another girl and tell everything to your woman? Too many options I guess http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Barracuda]

To be faithful it takes more than just self control and a strong sense of morality. It takes both people in the relationship to commit to being the person the other can trust explicitly. A man can look upon another woman and think, "oh what a beautiful woman, if I had a chance I'd like to have sex with her" then think of his woman and put the other woman from his mind. The woman should be able to do the same when she sees a handsome man that peaks her interest sexually. Cheating is unacceptable in the physical sense but no man or woman can say that they have not looked at another and thought of how that person would be in bed.

Barracuda

[Tom]

This is why men cheat, from what I can tell.
I have known a few guys who are 'cheaters'. Nobody is perfect, but I think most men who cheat, cheat regularly and will NEVER be faithfull, untill they get too old and ugly to find a woman who will cheat with him.
And why do some men cheat? Because they are weak. They have no will power. When an opportunity comes along, they simply cannot resist.
These same men usually have maxed out credit cards, more possessions than they can really afford, etc. And of course, they tend to be selfish. When they want something, they cannot deny it of themselves. And it includes material things and women.
The paradox is this: Women tend to be attracted to such men. Because these men go after what they want, and they get it. (Which is viewed as strength...and maybe it is.)The women don't like the cheating. But then they are the ones who chose those men. (And often stole the man from another woman.)
So what is they moral of the story? I have no idea.

Tom

[Tom]

And one more thing. I don't know what this story means, but it is something that happened recently and I thought I might relay it:

I have a friend who is married. He cheated on his first wife, and has cheated on every girlfriend he has ever had (as far as I can tell. But then he may just be exaggerating his conquests in order to impress.) He and his wife do not really get along well. But recently another woman kept calling his house. His wife found out, and he admitted to her that it was a girl that he met at work. He claims he didn't actually 'cheat', but that this woman was just obsessed with him. I don't know what his wife thinks, but I know him. On some level, he cheated with her (of course he denied it to me, but I wouldn't tell his wife anyway, because it is not may place to do that.)
But here is the punchline to this sad joke. After being very mad at him for about 3 or 4 days, his wife is now treating him better than she has in a long time. She talks about how much she loves him, she dotes on him, etc. ANd it has lasted a few weeks now. It seems she appreciates him much more now that he has shown to her that he will go out and get a different woman.

It is crap like that that makes you never want to marry a woman.

Sorry for the negativity,
Tom

[katya]

</span><span =''>
Hi, Tom!
I

[iceman7311979]

For me it is very hard to find a girlfriend.

[katya]

</span><span =''>
sunny http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
we have all life in future. we will in love, in mistakes, in sad, and in happyness.
you will meet your girl . and, all are captious , before not love. we can looking for - we have time for it.

[liam]

G'day,
I'n not sure i totally agree with you there tom, men and women often cheat because of inattention from ther partners, yeah theres a certain stereotype that goes along with a womaniser but thats all it is, a sterotype. you definately hit the right point though with the 'stealing men from other women' idea. Yep, in my experience if you've got a girlfriend or wife your definately more attractive to women, i guess thats were the 'self-contol' comes into play.

cheers,
liam

[Vicky]

Not sure that for every woman a guy who's already "occupied" is a more attractive target http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I remember a story when I was much younger than now, and I once met a friend I studied at school with. She was with her boyfriend whom I found very attractive. We went to movies together and then I left home. Imagine, in couple of weeks that guy called me and asked me for a date. What do you think I did? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Told him get lost? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif No, I went to that date, spent some time in cafe with him and then told him bye, I can't. I didn't want first of all to offend my friend, second thought was - he'll dump me as fast as he did it with my friend. He was pretty persistent though, was meeting me after my classes at uni, nice car, flowers, cool guy, girls envied me and couldn't understand why I rejected him. I wonder if the matter here is "self-control". I think it's "self-respect".

[liam]

G'day vicky,
yeah, your probably right, you've got to respect yourself before anyone else will, i don't think 'all' women go for attatched men, but some definately do. After all, you did go the date http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif (more proof your a scammer!!!) http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

cheers, liam http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Vicky]

liam,

tsssssssss http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif you promised you'd keep this in secret http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[liam]

G'day Vicky,

pheww, for a couple of minutes i thought i was in heaps of trouble, after the last posting i looked around the site and found what you said on the 'scammers' forum. ooopsy.

take care,

liam. ps i am interested in why you found it offensive???

[Vicky]

liam,

I don't find it offensive, I find it humiliating. I've got troubles myself when I was travelling. Thanks God, trips to Europe and the US were business ones, so I didn't have to explain why I want to go and shouldn't have stood before the counter as if under a microscope with people looking at me and deciding if I'm a prostitute or just want to go, grab someone there and make a foreign country happy with my staying there for good. That attitude seems humiliating, why a girl, if she's not older than 30 and single, should go thru that humiliating procedure and being refused the visa? I never understood that.
A funny thing with this happened to me when I was first going to Israel. My mom, Russian by origin, went there with her 4th husband ( http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ), a Russian jew after all his family had moved there. At that time they were looking for job there, or probably found one, but I was unaware of this. As well as I didn't know their exact address, and I forgot the invitation where it was stated, though I had the visa. Funny thing happened at the airport in SPB as I was flying by El Al, and you know security works well there http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Well, taking into consideration that I knew so little about where I would stay or where my mom worked I was first taken for prostitute, and then for drug-pusher

[liam]

G'day Vicky,

yeah, i've got a friend who's a czech girl, she's got a 1 year work visa for nz and works with me. She wanted to go to australia for a quick look around and holiday so i drove her to wellington so she could aapply for a visa, they took one look at her and just laughed, they even made some real dodgy comments about what she might do to there country if they start letting in eastern europeans for holidays. It was way out of order. Its really bizzare how by a quirk of birth you can be pigeonholed, i've got a uk passport so i'm always gonna get let in to a country but the wanker immagration officers ALWAYS give me a hard time, especially in australia/usa. I Must look like a drug dealer or something worse (no offense to all the drug-dealers out there http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ).

cheers, liam

[Tom]

</span>[QUOTE= (liam @ Nov. 21 2002,03:15)]G'day,
I'n not sure i totally agree with you there tom, men and women often cheat because of inattention from ther partners, yeah theres a certain stereotype that goes along with a womaniser but thats all it is, a sterotype.

[Tom]

</span>I don't find it offensive, I find it humiliating. I've got troubles myself when I was travelling. Thanks God, trips to Europe and the US were business ones, so I didn't have to explain why I want to go and shouldn't have stood before the counter as if under a microscope with people looking at me and deciding if I'm a prostitute or just want to go, grab someone there and make a foreign country happy with my staying there for good. That attitude seems humiliating, why a girl, if she's not older than 30 and single, should go thru that humiliating procedure and being refused the visa? I never understood that.<span =''>
Actually, (and I hate to say this, but

[Vicky]

</span>[QUOTE= (Tom @ Nov. 22 2002,02:17)]Don

[liam]

G'day,

A few years ago i had a brazillian girlfriend, she'd originally met a american man through a dating agency in brasil , gone to america, got her green card and basically done a runner to the uk where i met her. One weekend we decided to take advantage of dirt cheap cross chanel ferry tickets and went to paris for a break. on the way back we fully took advantage of the duty-free alcohol and by the time she had to fill in her uk immigration card we were well 'out of it'. I suggested as a wind up that she put 'dancer' in the occupation field on the form, she did. It turned out to be a wild mistake. The immigration people immeadiatly put 2 and 2 together to make 3 and pulled her up as a suspected prostitute, and they questioned me cos they thought i was either a pimp or a people smuggler!!!!!!. I was there for 4 hours and she was stuck there for nearly 7 hours, it caused a big hassle, needless to say as the alcohol wore off the situation became less humorous. The prositution thing is very very real, in england there are heaps and heaps of eastern european prostitutes, often from romania and albania, in places like london and my home town of manchester there are big problems with eastern european gangsters and there women (the eastern women undercut the englishgirls and people often get shot). I'd say that if your a young russian girl going through custsoms of oz or the usa, primarily they are going to think your a prostitue, its just the way it is.

cheers, liam

[Jon]

</span>...my home town of manchester<span =''>
Hey Liam,

I was born in Sculthrope, not too far from Manchester area. Guess we are mates, huh! I'm in Holland for now, but am going back to the U.K. probably in a couple of months. Seems the Dutch don't pay enough to live here and have fun at the same time. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

I need to decide where I'm going to live in the U.K. Haven't been back since I was a kiddy...but I do speak the language. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Cheers,

Jon