first meeting

[Olgakazakevich]

My friend was emailing with man from US for 3 months. They got some understanding , although she used translator's help. When he came to Russia he behaved himself so, as he had no idea of meeting her. I can understand that people can be disappointed after first meeting in person. But this was too strange for me. So he left Sait Petersburg and even did not write if he came to US well. What do you think, friends?
I also look for the husband here. You think that all, or mostly all women are scammers or smth like that. But mostly we have to spend a lot of money to maintain this e-mailing and we do not need game player. So I am afraid to be in the same situation as my friend, to waste money and time
Olga

[katya]

Olga..
how to explain...
you can talk beauty fairy-tales about poor girl , which haven't money on Internet to men in letters .
Internet is dear , but not so.
and , if you write to one man - even to 10 - you can , if you will want , lose not more , then 15 minutes on all letters .
nobody write with open Internet.
and more. She was write to man 3 month , was want to marry on he , and she don't know English at all , so , that use translator ? ugu. of course.
when people want anything , they working on it.
and time. you don't lose it.
you are study language , culture, world.

[Olgakazakevich]

nice to hear from you, Katya
money is not the main problem
Niether me nor my friend are asking for money in letters. we are not poorest girls in Russia:). But we want result from our activity, THE result.
I wonder what is enough to get hope that the meeting will be pleasant at least, if not leading for marriage. The situation I am speaking about is very, very strange. This man hardly looked at my friend when he arrived, and believe she sent her own photos to the site, not photo model's and she is not stupid or ugly.
Katya, where are you from, how old are you?

[katya]

and you ? ;)

[katya]

ok , I was see http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Olgakazakevich]

I am from Saint Petersburg
I am 34

[katya]

I was see your profile http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Vicky]

Hi, Olga,

a story of the kind happened to me when a friend of mine came to Saint-Petersburg. Let me guess - our city ifluences foreign guys in a weird way http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Olgakazakevich]

Katya
I can not see your profile. And when I click on mine here all the information is missed. Why?

[swam]

hi, read your problem. yes, it was really very sad.
i know that russian females are very beautiful , like olga and katya, i don' t even need to see them to say that.

they are also , good at heart.........they are not like the other country girls ......russian girls are really good. i can say that without meeting them.
but, the mistake they do is for looking for man from america or europe were men have lot of money.
these men usually don't look for permanent marriage , were as russian girls look for permanenet marriage.
these men look for beauty, if they don't get they leave that gril.
really, i advice russian girls to look for the man who are good at heart.

i love u all russian ladies...!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
in europe and america, they have lot of girls,they don't give importace to girls.

i think olga, u will surely get a man u need like me !!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
bye
swam

[liam]

swam's a legend

[Serge]

swam's a legend
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[Raven]

Well, I think that Swam is a bit off there. You can never generalize whole people. I had a girlfriend from eastern europe and I dated her for 3 years. I actually met her when I was on a holiday. Anyway, it all seemed to go ok but things started to be a bit weird even though she still kept telling me that I was the best person she's ever known. But after pushing her a bit, I found out that she was seeing others. So all in all, it looks like she just kept me as a backup.
So I think that people all over the world are similar. There a good and bad. It's not a matter of nationality or race. It's just about finding the right person and hope that you are right!
I've personally been tempted to cheat many times but have not done that so far. But I think that it's all a matter of your moral and upbringing! Most of us just want to marry once and be happy for the rest of our lives. Unfortunately, sometimes a divorce is better than a long and awful marriage! I think that living together for a while first to get to know each other first is better, so you know what you are getting into. People give up too fast nowadays!

[katya]

Katya
I can not see your profile. And when I click on mine here all the information is missed. Why?
For look your profile I was must see a lot of Olga! ;)
You was give number of your profile http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif it was a lot of time http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
And I haven

[katya]

Know, I don

[katya]

Well, I think that Swam is a bit off there. You can never generalize whole people. I had a girlfriend from eastern europe and I dated her for 3 years. I actually met her when I was on a holiday. Anyway, it all seemed to go ok but things started to be a bit weird even though she still kept telling me that I was the best person she's ever known. But after pushing her a bit, I found out that she was seeing others. So all in all, it looks like she just kept me as a backup.
Raven.
I am not good understand you.
She was have another man like * future husband * or * simply good friend * ?
It is two very different things.
Normal people usually not talking simply for fun

[Raven]

Well, Katya. I think that the main problem was the age. She was 18 when I met her and I was 22. She was probably not too serious, wanted to play a bit first. She probably was not entirely sure of what she wanted and that might have been a problem.
She did say that she loved me and so on but after I went to the US to study for 6 month, she almost stopped writing even though she still kept saying sweet words. I thought that this was a bit funny and she finally admitted that there were others. So I was a bit dissapointed about that!
I don't expect my girlfriend to stop going out or talking with men in general but I expect her to tell me everything. I tell my girlfriend everything. If you start hiding things, then it's because you feel guilty about something and if you feel guilty, then you must have done something bad.
We were even talking about her coming over and living together once she finished her education but it just didn't work out that way. I think that even though I thought I knew her, I obviously didn't or at least I was "blinded by love"!

[swam]

hi, every body.............it was interesting to read every bodies view........i have never been to russia or usa. but, i know about the real problem faced by this russian women......
i know why they look for older man, why they are so good.

we can't get such good girls any were in this world.

i study a lot about russia.......
i have a new friend there in russia, he can help me to reach russia.so , if any body need any help from me , like for meeting ur favorite girl u can contact me.

i will in turn tell my friend there in russia to meet u .
he knows russian too. he can help u for anything.

i love all russian girls......including u katya!!
swam

[katya]

i love all russian girls......
Thanks , but will be better as for you , as for me , if you will expunge me from this list ;)

[Xutesute]

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Expunge! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

And I thought I'd seen every type of rejection possible. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Good word Katya!

Craig.

[777]

(Xutesute @ April 01 2003,12:13)

Never thought of, Craig, that a native English speaker is teached English by a young russian girl?!
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[Xutesute]

It must be from the "seldom used English words 101" class.

And lets not forget all of Katya's wonderful parables. I think we're overdue for one, there's one for every occasion. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Craig.

[liam]

g'day katya...i always prefer it if i'm gonna get a knock-back from a girl (though its an extreme rarity http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) if i get told something along the lines of "no thanks i'm washing my hair tonight".....much sweeter http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif liam

[katya]

Thanks , of course, but tell me better, how to tell right!
I have 3 dictionary and 2 translator ( I am not use , but letter let it be) on my computer

[Tom]

[QUOTE= (katya @ April 02 2003,10:01)]Thanks , of

[Olgakazakevich]

Hi
thank you very much for answering, I feel I am not alone.
My question is to Swam. Ypu are writing that men from Europe and US re not serious. Where are you from, my friend?
But,, seriously, I do not think that personality depends on nationality.I think that people are all the same everywhere:bad and good. greedy and kind, stupid and understanding...
There is tradition of treating women that makes me looking for man abroad. And...I promice that if I find one serious I will not meet others:)

[liam]

olga's cool


toms stoned http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[katya]

I think, that nationality have her role.
As friend

Olgakazakevich,

I am not sure I completely understand what you mean by the statement "There is a tradition of treating women that makes me looking for man abroad". Are you saying that your country breeds men that traditionally have mistreated women?

If so, that is tragic. I have heard and read, like you said, there are good and bad in every nationality. I do believe however, that many men (not all) can be put in such an economically depressed situation that they are destined to become abusive and alcoholic simply because they do not know any other way to survive or to react to their situation. Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with this, nor am I giving those type men an excuse to cope with life the way they do through alcohol and domestic abuse etc. But I do think they are a product of their nationality. A man from the US or any other country can also become in such a way as to react in the same manner. However, because of the country they may be from, their choices of reaction and how they deal with the situation can be completely different.

Let me ask you this. If the economic situation were historically different in your country, would you still feel the need to look abroad? Or, are there also other factors that enter into your search for a man abroad. I am just trying to understand your reasons. There may not be any right or wrong answers to this question

[QUOTE= (Olgakazakevich @ April 03 2003,01:37)]
I think, that

[liam]

hey guys, screw that racist shit http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif i've worked with heaps of abo's and there a different sorta people but definately way cool. liam

[swam]

hi.........guys.........and my special kissess to "olga" ,"katya" and all russian girls.......
its really a very interesting topic stated by olga.........

olga is really nice girl........ "i love u olga"

olga, i can tell u with full gaurentee that this men from western europe and americans are not suitable for russian girls.
i understand u russian women better , then any body else.
i understand the real problem faced by u all........

but, this men in west , just think of sex.......they don't look for permenant marriage which u want....so, u will be ditched in ceter if u marry a western man.....u must be ready for that if u marry one.
olga........katya......... and all of u guys.......take my kissess..........i love u all

[katya]

Kennet.
Russian man aren

Katya,

I understand. It is good that you have not seen one bad man who drinks and treats the woman badly. I have heard through many dating agencies that this abuse occurs very frequently and that is just one of the reasons that a russian woman looks for love with a foreign man. Another reason is that Russian women outnumber Russian men by many and it is very difficult to find a faithful Russian man who is

[Raven]

Hi all,
Well, I think that someone should really shut Swam up. Can't he for once not say something intelligent? Western men have good and bad as in the rest of the world. I'm sure that noone have any illusion of anything different. And Indian men are certainly not a good choice. Just think about how many women get burned alive every year for not bringing enough money or how many girls that get murdered all the time? So do not come here with any of your nonsense Swam. Sure there are good and bad in India but that's the same all over.
As for the living condition in Russia, I can agree with Katya. I think that if there are good russian guys that can give stability for her family, then the girls will marry him. It's often stability and security for the family that most women seek. It's a part of the female instinct according to most scientist. The way women chose a mate comes from what they believe is best for their children. Not always money although that could be a factor too. Another could be good genetics (physical attributes) others could be the peacock effect (material show off, very popular in places like los angeles http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. So it does not matter where you are from or your race. All it matters is the person. I'm sure that the russian girls that have adds also go out in their own country and if they find the man of their dreams there, they'll marry him.
But I think that it's best not to show off your wealth too much or you might attract the wrong persons. Luckily, I don't have much wealth to show off or do I http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[katya]

You or not understand me , or you don

Katya,

I always want to understand who I have conversations. Sometimes culture and language make it more difficult, but I still try to understand and see the other persons view.

I agree, I would not want to marry such a woman myself that is only dreaming of marrying an American and

[Tom]

[QUOTE= (liam @ April 04 2003,00:06)]hey guys, screw that racist shit http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[katya]

I was talk about another.
Simply people on the world

[MartinUK]

Olga,
Unfortunately game players are part of modern day society. I know you are intelligent women, you need to read letters intensly to understand if the man is serious or just a game player.

[Olgakazakevich]

[QUOTE= (Guest @ April 03 2003,22:42)]Olgakazakevich,

I am not sure I completely understand what you mean by the statement "There is a tradition of treating women that makes me looking for man abroad". Are you saying that your country breeds men that traditionally have mistreated women?

If so, that is tragic. I have heard and read, like you said, there are good and bad in every nationality. I do believe however, that many men (not all) can be put in such an economically depressed situation that they are destined to become abusive and alcoholic simply because they do not know any other way to survive or to react to their situation. Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with this, nor am I giving those type men an excuse to cope with life the way they do through alcohol and domestic abuse etc. But I do think they are a product of their nationality. A man from the US or any other country can also become in such a way as to react in the same manner. However, because of the country they may be from, their choices of reaction and how they deal with the situation can be completely different.

Let me ask you this. If the economic situation were historically different in your country, would you still feel the need to look abroad? Or, are there also other factors that enter into your search for a man abroad. I am just trying to understand your reasons. There may not be any right or wrong answers to this question

[katya]

[quote=Guest,April 03 2003,22:42]Olgakazakevich,
Olga?
In the country no one normal man ? are you sure ?
And all cry and cry ?
May be, we live at different countries ?
Problems was, and it will be.
You think , that if you will come at another countries , there will not any problems ?
Family is self-sacrifice , as from side husband , as from side wife. Only when one human live for another , they have good family.
Olga, I have friends , who are 33 , 45 and they live at Russia. they are single.
And I cannot tell , that anybody from they crying.
I have feel , that this men is from type *man- wall* , very reliable.
And they aren

Olga & Katya,

I can see the truth in both of your statements. Olga, I would think that if those type problems of work and economy were present in the US, the outcome would be much the same for men here as well. What you say confirms much of what I read in other message boards and some agency websites. But what Kayta says has truth as well. All men can not be like this, there must be some men in Russia that are good, decent and hard working.

What do you mean Olga when you say "And I am not sure but I think it is so, that all people here , mostly all have some kind of problem which does not allow him or her to find the partner in own country." Can you explain that in more detail for me so that I can better understand?

Katya, your are right, I believe a man and woman will have problems no matter what country they are from. The type of problems may be different depending upon where they live. But it's not the problems of the man and woman that are the most difficult. It's how the man and woman work together to solve the problems. Some men drink to solve the problems, some men are unfaithful to solve the problems. Everyone has their own way of coping or solving their problems. How you have been taught by your parents while growing up will have some effect on how you solve the problem.

Katya, are you saying that you have single men friends who are 33 and 45 in Russia and are good men? If so, then why do they not interest you?

Olga and Katya, even though both of you may be from the same country, you are still entitled to have differing opinions. That is what freedom is all about. I believe that both of you are right in your own way. I appreciate hearing contrasting opinions such as this. It reminds me that all women are different.

[sean]

[QUOTE= (katya @ April 14 2003,11:44)]Olga, I

[Tom]

[QUOTE= (katya @ April 14 2003,11:44)]Family is self-sacrifice , as from side

[katya]

Katya, are you saying that you have single men friends who are 33 and 45 in Russia and are good men? If so, then why do they not interest you?
Hi, Kenneth.
Why I am not with that men ?
First of all - because they are my friends!
I like they as people, but it isn

[katya]

Understand , any woman subconscious looking for protect. Wall

[sean]

[quote=sean,April 14 2003,17:27]
Understand ,

Katya,

I disagree with what you say. What is wrong with falling in love with man who is first friend? Would you not want your future husband to become your friend too? This happens many times in the search for love. Sometimes we search the whole world only to find love under our very nose. As far as being rich and being bad and all being bad, that is not true!

[katya]

Kenneth,
First

Katya,
Yes, I have women who are just friends and would never be more than that and are not marriage partner for me. So I see where you are coming from that men and women can be friends like brother and sister and not anything more. I don't have a problem with that, but I do believe friendships can be more under the right circumstances and conditions. I also understand there must be some chemistry or good feelings between the man and woman for it to be more than just friends.

Let's talk about rich people. First, I don't know your definition of "really rich", but if it's a million dollars then that is no longer considered "really rich" in the United States. A million may provide a family with a good comfortable living, but not necessarily a lot more than that. I know you are talking about Russia and in Russia, I would believe that a million dollars would be rich. So I will try to show just a few types here to the extent of my knowledge of rich in Russia (which is somewhat limited) and US.

Those who are considered rich, either in US or Russia, could have acquired their riches through many ways. It could have been inherited or passed down upon the death of relatives. Or, It could have been as a result of very unscrupulous dealings or what you might say as not at law or illegal. Or, there are those who have worked very hard to make their riches from nothing over sometimes many years or maybe even just a few years. The first type may or may not appreciate their riches. If they appreciate, then they will use it to do good for others and their family. If they do not, then they will not be rich for very long as it will go as quickly as it came. For those who get their riches by doing illegal activities (drugs, extortion, etc.), they are the ones I would consider "bad" and agree that many Russian men (and American and others) may have acquired their riches this way and would not be good as a marriage partner. However, in the US the majority of men and women who have acquired their riches have done so through hard work over many years. Yes, even million dollars from nothing in 10 years. That is not impossible in US. I am not saying that every American has done that. It is only a small percentage. But opportunity is there for everyone. This type person understands the process of what it takes to become successful and be able to provide very well for his or her family. It is not always what you have monetarily (in riches) that makes you successful, but what you have become inside your heart in the process of pursuing these riches.

Cinderalla is not history! Cinderella is a fantasy story. However, I would like to read your version of Cinderella, it may be more interesting than mine

[Rascal]

Russian scammers ruin it for every one

[katya]

Cinderella is one at all countries, because Sharl Pero was write about she.
I was talk about contemporary Cinderellas. Girls and women, who was poor and was marry at rich influential men.
At history was a lot such *Cinderellas*. One from they

[Kenneth]

Katya,
I understood what you were saying. In my Cinderella story, she lives happily ever after with her "Prince". Of course in real life we know that does not always happen. But that is what dreams are made of

[Vicky]

Correct me if i'm wrong - Diana was a poor girl? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif An heiress to all the Malrborough stuff, Lady Spenser was far from being a fairy-tale cinderella.

[katya]

I wasn't means money, I was means her life.
unequal marriage, Cinderella and prience.

[liam]

hi, all diana had to do in public was look pretty and smile................with her friends she had a life of unparrelled luxury, wealth and fun...............true. but,,,,,,,,,,never, never, never could the heir to the british throne have a muslim step-father...bring on mi5. simple.liam

[katya]

Liam, if man is good , clever , tender , care, woman will not look at right and left !
And palace can be cage. And you will dream, how to run from *happy life*.