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[phil_uk]

Hi, I

[Vicky]

Hi, phil_uk,

i don't want to reassure you and say there's something wrong with your girl, it all might be perfectly well. Just a personal note. If you received just 4 letters from her, beleive me it doesn't cost as much as asking for your support. If she sends and translates letters to dozen more guys - this might be a reason. Rates are different there but exchanging few emails with one guy costs close to nothing.
If she works for an agency she might be even happier if you transfer money straight to them, unless she wants everything for herself. Address and name might mean nothing. Hope you escuse me but after listening to many stories about scammers i might have become a bit pessimistic and suspicious. At least i know i would never ask for money just to write.
In any case inviting your girl to the UK might be pretty difficult, she might not be given the visa, though of course it will be less expensive for you.. not sure though. And i can't imagine a situation when a girl would go to a man she wrote just 4 letters.
Age does not mean a lot but i would advice you to take time and get some more info from her or about her. If she's so interested in you and vice versa you should know more about each other. Even if you think she's an angel, which she might be of course, be aware of a pair of sweet little horns she might be hiding in her hair.

[ronald]

Find an agency in her city that offers an email forwarding service. if she doesn't have a personal email they would translate your mail and forward it to her by post. she then sends her reply back to the agency, which is translated and forwarded to you at no cost to her. Do not send money directly to a lady you've never met.

[sean]

If she sends and translates letters to dozen more guys - this might be a reason. Rates are different there but exchanging few emails with one guy costs close to nothing.
Hi Vicky,

how much is close to nothing in US$ ? You might be right that age sometimes does not play a role. But I made one experience: Sometimes girls that are really not good looking don

[katya]

Hi , everybody!
I was looking for any agency for marry at Lugansk , but I wasn

[Vicky]

Here it costs about 2$ to translate a personal full A4 page letter, which usually do not have any specific terms http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Sending it costs less than 1$ if a lady goes to the post-office, whereas she can buy an hour at itnernet-cafe for same 1$ and send as much letters as she wants.

Strange experience of yours, sean... if a girl is that unsure of her appearance or has any doubts she might find a man thru dating service, why did she start this? Unless you're sending them your pic with the first letter and you're stunning:) Who in fact cares about the appearance? All Russian girls are indeed beautiful, just that living conditions make them forget to spare some additional time on their beauty, but as we say here "take a Russian girl, wash her, dress her, give her some love and super-models may ask for vacation" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Who ever said that French women are beautiful? I wouldn't say that, but those French girls are constantly admired, as they have irresistible charm. Very often a man should teach a woman how to be a woman, and that's a real challenge, especially with Russian girls. The other thing that i believe is 100% true is that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

As for age difference it totally depends on people's personality, how they take this difference. I remember when i was 24 and was courted by a 36 year old guy, i was very much flattered and might have taken this seriously if i had had any marriage plans by that time. Girls at 24 usually already know what they want from life and they might easier agree to marry a much older man, especially if he doesnt look like their granddad, because he already has a developed personality, usually in a pretty stable financial position and has serious intentions.

Russian "talking between the lines" is not less a myth than American "straightforwardness". If you added "women" to this, i would have agreed, women here prefer a man to know what they want rather than telling him "i need this and this and this". It's not difficult to read between these lines if you really care.

[sean]

Vicky,

thank you very much for the information. You know how much all the guys from this site and I appreciate all the comments that you provide us.

What I meant with the non good looking girls was not the fact that they are unsure about their appearance. It is the fact that they did not even answer after sending a letter with pic. For me it means that they must have received tons of mails with guys much more interesting than me.

As I agree with your opinion about the specification of the word

[Raven]

I can understand why some girls might need some help with their internet expense. It all depends on how frequent her letters and also if she needs to use a internet cafe. 1$ n hour might seem cheap enough but if she for example writes to you every day, then I can imagine that the cost will run up. If you imagine a girl going to an internet cafe, reads a letter, takes some time to understand the content and then send a reply every day, then she's in for a bit of expense every month. Depending on what she does for a living (student or have a job) it's stil a big percentage of her monthly income.
But asking Phil to cover her expenses after 4 letters in 2 month is a bit strange, but that 's just my opinion.

Personally, I'd say that he should use some email forwarding company. I would like to know how the women here feels about this problem!

[katya]

There isn't fairy-tales. And not look for anybody ideal. A lot of men simply sure , that if you are Russian , you must be ideal. It isn

[Vicky]

The fact that Russian girls are the most beautiful in the world was proven by Miss Europe and Miss Universe contests - both misses are Russian, which actually should make us all proud of this, though my friends and i found miss Europe ..emm..how to say, a bit vulgar from SPB point of view, but her appearance is pretty stereotypical for majority of middle-Russia girls. In rags in a small kitchen in a box-like apartment with no money to pay for e-mail correspondence ( http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ), she might have looked not that gorgeous as she was at the contest, and a woman should have time and means to remind herself from time to time that she's a born beauty. (Wish i had this time http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif ) Personality is fine, important, necessary condition, noone would like to marry a cute doll, but women need to be admired. Some of them do this thru visiting cosmetic salons, some thru finding love in the eyes of their men. Despite everything i wrote above, nice appearance and ability to keep it untouched by age and problems is not an obligation. A proverb says (you asked for it, sean http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) "even a cat enjoys endearing words". Men know how to make a princess out of a cinderella, and money plays no role in the process. Attention is what we need most, and opposing to Katya, i would say - do read between the lines, interpret them the way you can, if you do it wrongly, a woman will correct you tactfully, but show her you do care.
Your question, sean, about who taught me - life's the best teacher, and people of course, but not thru advice they give, just thru communication.

Now to correspondence. Some girls are simply too shy to ask strangers to be mediators in their love affairs, they'd rather try to learn language themselves or ask friends to help. I doubt there will be lots of girls who'll eagerly accept services of a forwarding company. Then, if you know that a girl has to use internet-cafe to get your letters, read them and then answer, the best way is to expect letters from her as often as she can allow this. If she asks for a material support with emails, i'd rather indirectly hint that it's a problem to send her the money over right now and see how soon the e-mails flow runs dry.

Oh, sean, and will you share some of your french experiences with us? I never had anything with french women, didn't know they are icebergs http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[MartinUK]

It's always 'risky' when a lady asks for money. Before parting with money suggest you do a google.com search for her name and the name of the agency she is using.
Such a search should reveal any blacklisting of her or the agency, should the search reveal absolutely nothing then you are dealing with ghosts, i.e. no such agency exists.

[sean]

[QUOTE= (Vicky @ April 10 2003,13:27)]....
In rags in a small kitchen in a box-like apartment with no money to pay for e-mail correspondence ( http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ), she might have looked not that gorgeous as she was at the contest, and a woman should have time and means to remind herself from time to time that she's a born beauty. (Wish i had this time http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif ) Personality is fine, important, necessary condition, noone would like to marry a cute doll, but women need to be admired. Some of them do this thru visiting cosmetic salons, some thru finding love in the eyes of their men. Despite everything i wrote above, nice appearance and ability to keep it untouched by age and problems is not an obligation. A proverb says (you asked for it, sean http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) "even a cat enjoys endearing words". Men know how to make a princess out of a cinderella, and money plays no role in the process. Attention is what we need most, and opposing to Katya, i would say - do read between the lines, interpret them the way you can, if you do it wrongly, a woman will correct you tactfully, but show her you do care.

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Oh, sean, and will you share some of your french experiences with us? I never had anything with french women, didn't know they are icebergs

[Raven]

Seans is both right and wrong about people who would marry a cute doll. Saw a lot of that in Los Angeles and I'm sure that they didn't marry them for their brainpower or any real value http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif . For some of the older richer men, to have a cute doll, even with no brains, is a big status symbol. I guess that for them, having a toy to show off is the most important! After some marriages, they have probably come to a point where they don't care. In Russia, you see that as well. I saw many gorgeos dolls coming out of huge mercedes with a really old guy. I think that this is just international. Goodlooking girls going for the money and the old guys taking them for their looks.
Still, for most of us, we just want something more thant just looks alone. At least I do. I've dated a headturner of a girl but she had really no brain. She almost drove me out of my mind.
And concerning finding scammers on the different blacklists? I think that it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. There's too many out there and the chance of the girl not listed is big as well. It's better to use your common sense or if you really have to know, then there are these detective agencies that can do background check. It just costs a bit.

[Vicky]

Thanks for French stuff, sean, this was what i wanted to know. I definitely wasn't provoking you to give us some too personal things. And i knew you would make some correlations with those TATU things straight away, was just waiting for you to do this, you didn't read it between the lines http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I'm fully aware that there are lots of guys, especially not in their young ages, who would eagerly marry a cute doll, at least they don't need a partner, they just need something to show to people around - that they are wealthy enough to have a talking toy, one thing they frequently forget is that toys too have their brains, peculiar ones but still operating and thinking how to profit from the difference.

Thanks for advice as well, don't think you're the first who's telling me "don't show off" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Well, this is a place where we're exchanging experience, sharing, giving advice, if i know i may be of help to all of you why should i play dumb? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As for outside the board, i know how to show a man he's the ever smartest, ever cutest, ever everything. Controlling the situation is a woman's know-how.

[sean]

Vicky, if you were waiting for me to do this and I did it, it means to me that I gave you the satisfaction to do what you wanted me to do. So how can you say I did not read between the lines or that I am unable to read women

[Vicky]

It was pretty humorous to write in those nice blue letter http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I spent a while before late at night i understood how to read them http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Could you cite my "yawning" part please? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Scaramouche]

Man, I am glad I don't drink anymore. I'd hate to think what my head would be doing if I tried to read Sean's post with a hangover! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[sean]

Sorry Scaramouche - must have messed up something in my settings. I owe you a drink for that ! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Of course I will Vicky, you know I do everything for you ! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Knowing your opinion about my kind of humour I thought you might have found the posting rather boring. Also to you sorry for messing up my set-up.

[QUOTE= (sean @ April 10 2003,09:41)]Vicky,

thank you very much for the information. You know how much all the guys from this site and I appreciate all the comments that you provide us.

What I meant with the non good looking girls was not the fact that they are unsure about their appearance. It is the fact that they did not even answer after sending a letter with pic. For me it means that they must have received tons of mails with guys much more interesting than me.

As I agree with your opinion about the specification of the word

[Vicky]

[QUOTE= (sean @ April 10 2003,09:41)]Vicky,

[sean]

Vicky, I also assume this person tried to say

[Olgakazakevich]

hello, phil
it is not easy to understand what the girl is looking for staying in your country. Come here and see.
About staying in Russia, I think it is better to live in hotel and hire the driver. It will be more expensive but more safe.
I can say about my expencies I pay 35$for month (unlimited mailing with translation, and putting my adds in the net) I get translated letters to my pc at the work , answer in Russian, then the letters are sent to the men. BUT if I find my MAN I will pay more as a reward to translater. This is her private business, so it is cheaper then agency, but the work is better.

[katya]

Olga, I am not understand, for what give money for translator. If you like man , talk with he yourself. Let you language is bad, let sometimes it is funny or silly - but it is you.
I think , that letters

Katya,
I agree with Olga. I believe that correct meanings can sometimes be lost and proper translations can be very important when corresponding. It may not make as much of a difference for unimportant conversations of introduction, but once that is accomplished if the man or the woman is not proficient enough in the others language, then a translator can be an invaluable tool to nurturing a relationship.

[katya]

Kennet , you can be not agree with me.
But I was think , that letters- isn

[angelin]

Want to marry at woman, who want to use you ?
Send money