threaten to Russian woman from Western man

[Olgakazakevich]

"Olga,
Unfortunately game players are part of modern day society. I know you are intelligent women, you need to read letters intensly to understand if the man is serious or just a game player."
this are the words of Martin.
I wonder which kind of games can Western men play with Russian women if they come to Russia and live in the hotel.
Which kind of thrreaten it can be?
I beleive that meeting at the territory of man could be quite dangerous, but at the other hand, is not it too much to pay about 1000$for getting woman for one night? Even if the man has very strange idea of sexual life.
I know it is hard topic, but may be somebody will tell me his/her thoughts.

[katya]

Olga.
All is very simple.
Man want to visit Russia. what he do

[MartinUK]

Many of these guys will never meet with the lady(s), they may be simply writing on-line letters to attractive ladies, perhaps wanting the lady to talk 'sexy', fall in love with him merely to boost his own ego, but will he ever travel to FSU? .... NO.
Then there are the guys that Katya talks about, will travel, not necessarily for sightseeing but hoping for intimate and sexual relations with the lady etc. etc. etc.
And then there are the serious guys, writing serious letters hoping to meet their future partner.
This is a dangerous world for both women and men. For the woman she is putting her trust into a man with whom she has never met, and the man, well he is travelling a very far distance to a country where he may not feel secure to meet with a woman (he hopes) with whom he has never met.

[sean]

Martin, you broght it to the point, mate !

MartinUK,

I think you are absolutely right about the number of men who actually make the trip to Russia. Their numbers are very small. Of those who make the trip I am sure there are a variety of reasons why they do. However, I think for many (not all) of those who take the time and mostly the expense of writing and then visiting Russian women are sincere or at least think in their mind that is what they want.

Olga, you have to be careful no matter where you go today and who you think you are meeting. As far as a man traveling thousands of miles solely for sex, I doubt very much (but not impossible) a man would do that considering he could pay a lot less here in the US for one night. As far as Western Men playing games with Russian women. I am sure that is possible initially when a man writes to a woman. Many men may have the fantasy of marrying a beautiful Russian woman, but it may be just that, fantasy. He may not have any intention on visiting Russia. But then again, if he makes the trip to Russia he has already put himself in the top 5% of those who actually make the trip. That should say alot about the man's intentions within itself. Of those who make the trip, you ask what kind of games can Western men play with Russian women if

[liam]

1000 bucks for one nights sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, morality aside olga, i'd say take the money!!!!!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif liam

[Aleksandr]

Empty promises (made by western men) are bad.
In my view Russian women, having contacts with seperate men (without the men knowing from eachother) just to get out of the country is no good either.
Many well educated Russian women, hard working ,but underpaid make extra money by offering their services to men
What is against it? Not much, I think, I shall not be the moral judge of that, if everybody acts according to his or her own free will,
Honesty is the name of the game!
or am I naive?
or just another male chauvinist pig
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[MartinUK]

Kenneth (and all),
You make an intelligent and very well thought out post, one point I would like to add that European nations are far nearer to FSU than those from North America.
From UK one can buy a return ticket to Moscow for approx $300, I can think of one particular lady in the past who in her 2nd letter invited me making it crystal clear she would be sharing my hotel room with me before moving on to her home city where we would stay at her flat/apartment.
Were I 'that sort of guy', $300 + a couple of hotel nights for a week's sex, please don't think I wasn't tempted!

[liam]

hey martin, you haven't by any chance still got the phone number of this delightful young lady in moscow have you?http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif liam

MartinUK,

Thank you for the reminder of closer men to Russia. I tend to think

MartinUK,

Thank you for the reminder of closer men to Russia. I tend to think

[katya]

Oy , boys, boys.
Yes, you can come. Yes, you can take hotel.
but not wait from normal woman , that she will sleep with you

[MartinUK]

Hi Kenneth,
I have been at this a few years, on a couple of occassions previously I thought I had found the right lady but alas was not to be. Right now I hope I have met the special lady.
As soon as the Moscow lady invited me with the 'add ons' I thought 'no', I hope to meet a respectable lady for life.
Let's just say that over the years I've been there, done that, got the tee-shirt and I'm not falling for that again and infact, with the Moscow lady I blocked her e-mail address just in case I got tempted after a few beers.
And sorry guys, I no longer have her contact details!

[Tom]

In fact here in the US, I am told prostitution is legal in the the State of Nevada.
Just FYI,
Prostitution is not generally 'illegal' in the US at all! Unless a community (state, county, city) creates a law specifically making it a crime. As you might imagine, most cities and states have laws against prostitution. Nevada, however, has no laws criminalizing prostitution. But most counties in Neveda do. There are two or three counties in Nevada that have no laws criminalizing prostitution, so there are some very famous brothels in those counties. Prostitution IS illegal in Las Vegas however (but you would hardly know it http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif )
An interesting side note is that, until recently, Alabama had no laws criminalizing prostitution, either! There was one county that had a brothel (not as well known as the ones in Nevada.) So a few years ago, the state finally passed a law against prostitution, and the brothel was shut down.

Tom

PS Before any of you get any ideas because I know this stuff, I have never been to any of these brothels myself....I swear! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Tom,

As I was reading your post, the thought did cross my mind about your knowledge on this. But okay, I will take your word for it for now.

So your saying prostitution is not illegal on a federal level then. That's interesting. Thanks for the information.

[katya]

Hi Kenneth,
I have been at this a few years, on a couple of occassions previously I thought I had found the right lady but alas was not to be. Right now I hope I have met the special lady.
As soon as the Moscow lady invited me with the 'add ons' I thought 'no', I hope to meet a respectable lady for life.
Let's just say that over the years I've been there, done that, got the tee-shirt and I'm not falling for that again and infact, with the Moscow lady I blocked her e-mail address just in case I got tempted after a few beers.
And sorry guys, I no longer have her contact details!
It will be very funny, if after some time you will shake up all your computer to find her address.
Pity , that admin was lose some from old topic. It will be interesting for you;)
One rather interesting man was write , that he was find his dream, and it if finish of his looking. But after 3 month he was back to his former girl. ( to which he was tell * bye forever * ;)
I don

[MartinUK]

Hi Katya,
I'm perfectly happy with the lady I am seeing at the moment, I wouldn't want to go back to either of my previous 2 and most recent ladies, one was an alcoholic and the other was just not a nice person and I would never have a serious interest in a lady who wanted to sleep with me in her 2nd letter.
I cannot be sure if my current relationship will work out, I certainly hope so but regardless, I shall not be shaking my computer!

[Serge]

[QUOTE= (Olgakazakevich @ April 14 2003,01:57)]"Olga,
Unfortunately game players are part of modern day society. I know you are intelligent women, you need to read letters intensly to understand if the man is serious or just a game player."
this are the words of Martin.
I wonder which kind of games can Western men play with Russian women if

[katya]

Serge.. one question.
You aren

[Serge]

[quote=Serge,May 01 2003,04:17]
Serge.. one

[Raven]

I'm not entirely sure about this paying money to visit a girl for sex. I've been told that there are many escort sites on the web that offers sex for a fairly cheap amount and you have the choice of the girl to. To go to Russia and expect that the girl will sleep with you is a bit far off but there are probably some who will.
And when Martin talked about this woman wanting to be in the hotel room for the night, did she promise sex or was it because she wanted to see him in that city?
I'm from Scandinavia, so things are bit easy here. If it's just sex you want, then it's easy enough to find one in town and it's almost free. You probably have to pay for one or two drinks http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Guys,
I would have to say that I hold a very contrary opinion on the matter. You completely underestimate the average intelligence of a Russian woman in comparison to the western women. It is not only the intelligence but the ability to use her looks and be street wise to be able to manipulate her prey. Please do not think that sex is used predominate attraction but really only a single weapon in an array of armoury.

From the strategic point of view of the Russian Women. The worst case scenario for her will be. She will have some bad sex, she will have to pretend to be excited going to the same museum

[Serge]

Guys,
I would have to say that I hold a very contrary opinion on the matter. You completely underestimate the average intelligence of a Russian woman in comparison to the western women. It is not only the intelligence but the ability to use her looks and be street wise to be able to manipulate her prey. Please do not think that sex is used predominate attraction but really only a single weapon in an array of armoury.
Hi Paul...So what you are saying is that a Russian woman will use sex as a means to an end. I thought that it was only men that had alterior motives. (hint hint Katya) http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[pagan]

The question of morality should be between consenting adults , gathered within the balance of understanding and honesty but when manipulation and expoitation is actioned because of self interest and ego gratification then it is a question of morality derived from

[katya]

Pagan.
Sorry me, silly Russian woman not understand your great language.
Can you talk shorter and more understandable http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif ;)

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I don't know about all of you but I want a honest lady and I do mean lady.And when I do go to Russia I do want to find this beautiful woman for my wife.Not just for sex or whatever,I want her for life.Now the bad part,how do I know she don't just want a green card and will do anything to get it.One never knows! I also understand that there is guys out there that will just use these ladies so it's a two way street.Just wish there was a simple way to do it.I want a beautiful lady that will love me and one that I'll melt in her arms.Is that to much to ask!

[djo]

DJO, Western Canada

just visiting for the first time, !! quite interesting ideas and input

Yes, I had my share of eastern women who ask for money, some may have valid reasons to ask, others may use it for their gain, all I can say, " Time is your best friend" Sincerity
will never be trampered with with time, dishonesty will take a hit quiker trust me. Guys just look deep within yourself and try to visualize what goes through a russian woman's mind and what the reasons really are for wanting to have a better chance at life, don't you if you were in her shoes, we, living in North America, seems to dismiss what goes beath the surface, our shalowness had made some of us morrally bankrupt. but the truth is, they do want love, a chance
a life, happiness is the most valuable commodity isn't it?
when was the last time you said out loud " I'm soooooo hapyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy " do you remember? well these women are sinking and have been for years and years, traumatized by ex's and what have you, just open your soul
purify you mind and you'll be surprised.

I'm 38 and stil want
to find her to redesign our fate together
blusteel@canada.com

[Ksusha]

Very interesting Post!!!
Always it is useful to know opinion of other party{side}. In this case other party{side} are men who are in search.
It is interesting, why I did not read it earlier?
What can I tell about foreign grooms??? While anything.
But what I can tell about Russian women? There is a risk in any situation, yes many are interested only in to receive residence permit in other country, a material prosperity.
But the majority nevertheless dreams to have high-grade family, the worthy gentle husband which will be focused on family and its{her} well-being.
Also what bad in the woman who in the second letter discusses sex??? This only the letter!!! I did not read it{him}, I do not know, that, probably, something particularly was offered to this person trite...
What is the time will pass till the moment of a meeting? Month can, can two...
And this meeting can and will not take place.
NOBODY KNOWS THAT WAITS AHEAD.
I 4 months corresponded with the man, and it{he} even has sent money for registration of the guest visa in the USA.
BUT THE VISA DID NOT GIVE!!!
That will be farther while it is not known. After perusal given Post to me it is not trusted, that it{he} will arrive...
:( :( :(

[katya]

[liam]

oooooooooooooooopsy, try as i might, looking through my lonely planet russia phrase-book i can't understand a word of that katya http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Ksusha]

[katya]

[Ksusha]

[Tom]

Hi,
I hope you two girls do not mind that I read in on your 'private' conversation! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Ksusha...Do not give up hope! I am sure the man is disappointed. Men can be easily discouraged. But I think that women do not always see it.
It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for a Russian girl to get a 'tourist visa' to the US. If you are to meet your man in person, he must come and visit you. That is the only way. Be kind to him, encourage him, and he will come to you (if he is a good man.) That is my best advice.

And you are right: to come to America is no fairy tale. It is, in fact, very hard for the woman. And she gives up everything that she had in her home land. You must do it for love, and for nothing else.

[katya]

Tom.. man disappointed..
But she ? how she feel herself ?
Make visa

[Tom]

[quote=katya,July 25 2003,11:41]
What you just did, Katya, was to give the typical woman

[katya]

Tom ;)
I was smile, when you read your post. If man is strong, for what he need woman ? ;))
To care about her ;)))))) it is so simple. ;))
I never was talk , that she feel more, or he. Nobody can talk it, because nobody can feel, how feel another people.
I think , that she was strong. But all people have proud. He love, love , love

[Ksusha]

[QUOTE= (katya @ July 27 2003,02:16)]You write to woman, 4 month. Last month she talk , that love you , want to see very much , dream about you, and so on. You make visa, but embassy don

[Tom]

Well, It sounds like he was not a very good man, anyway.
To have you come on a tourist visa and have you stay illegaly? That is how you treat a mistress, not a wife.
And if he did not realise that the tourist visa would fail, then he is not too bright, either.

But my earlier advise still stands.

Katya says that if a man "turn away, at first hard minute", then he is weak and no good. Maybe Katya is right. But it is true for the woman, too. A woman cannot give up on a man at his first moment of weakness. Their are no perfect men.
But this is an important time in a relationship. The first test. Maybe if he has failed his first test, then he might fail them all.

I am only saying that a woman who is only satisfied with perfection, will never be satisfied. And a defeatist attitude will only lead to defeat. It is true for both men AND women.

[Ksusha]

I am only saying that a woman who is only satisfied with perfection, will never be satisfied. And a defeatist attitude will only lead to defeat. It is true for both men AND women.
I do not speak in English, the sense of these words is not absolutely clear to me.
But I think, that our attitudes{relations} will calm down, gradually to stop.
It is very appreciable, when the person "has suddenly lost" an opportunity to use the Internet, and to write letters.
No, I shall not stop to answer his{its} letters, but in fact and letters are not present

[Tom]

[QUOTE= (Ksusha @ July 27 2003,04:31)]I had weak men, I am tired to be the strong woman, it would be desirable to be simply the woman about whom is to whom to take care

[Tom]

[QUOTE= (katya @ July 27 2003,02:16)]Woman

[Ksusha]

You should not have to be with a weak man
It is complicated, and I do not know how to explain it well.
It is complicated, and I do not know how to explain it well.
I THINK, THAT IT REFERS TO PARTNERSHIP.
If the order is necessary for you at home only, you will find the cleaner if the dinner is necessary for you only

[liam]

I think the ideal, perfect girl for me will be the one who i can be absolutley my-self with, and her with me. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif , quite a simple desire really but one thats no so easy to accomplish. Like tom, it'd be sooooooooo easy to find a pretty brain-dead slapper around here and believe you me , the traits of russian-scammers are wholly evident with most of the girls i meet here. A man with a jobs simply a meal-ticket for heaps of girls. But thats not so unusal any-where on earth.

liam

[Ksusha]

[QUOTE= (liam @ July 27 2003,06:07)]I think the ideal, perfect girl for me will be the one who i can be absolutley my-self with, and her with me.

[liam]

sorry ksusha, bloody hell!!!!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif , i spend 3 years getting a dgree in english and no-one can understand me!!!!!!! lol, no, its my fault, i probably use too many english slang words. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

your english is a great deal better than my russian!, thats for sure.
i was meaning that lots of people talk about russian scammer girls (russian girls who pretend they like foreign men and make-up ways to get money from them, "my mum's sick...send me 2000$ for her hospital or she'll die" or "i need 100$ for food for my pet dog"!!!, whatever) but tend to forget that there are many girls in there local town where they live who will do the same, so its not just russian internet girls who do this.
liam

[Tom]

I agree with what both of you (Liam and Ksusha) have said.
There is much to wish for in a 'perfect' relationship! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I , like Liam, want somebody who thinks I am great, just as I am.
And like Ksusha, I want sombody who is my companion, my 'one and only.'

That is what everbody wants, Isn't it?

[Ksusha]

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif liam
You should not apologize before me.
Thanks for clarifications.
I know the English language very bad, I did not apply due efforts on his{its} studying at school, did not understand, what for it{he} is necessary for me.
Now I am helped by the electronic translator. Very little I understand itself, and now I have no plenty of time to engage closely in studying of the given subject.
I do not complain of my life. I live (in the material plan) much better, than many of my girlfriends, but I am frequently much more emotional and is dependent on my feelings and emotions, though... As has told Katia - it is impossible to feel that other person feels. I can only from outside of judge feelings of others...

[Ksusha]

[QUOTE= (Tom @ July 27 2003,07:36)]I agree with what both of you

[katya]

Tom ;))
* I WANT to be the strong one. I WANT to take care of my wife and children. I WANT to be NEEDED by my wife and family. I DON'T WANT to be just a sperm donor and some guy who pays half the bills.
So YES, I mean to be the 'strong man'.*
Here is mistake. And from here all problems go.
I am strong, I

[liam]

Tom: the M.I.L.F Hunter http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

jeez katya, i never saw that one coming http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

liam

[Ksusha]

A man with a jobs simply a meal-ticket for heaps of girls. But thats not so unusal any-where on earth.

liam
But on the other hand, if you want to have the foreign wife who cannot work, she will expect only for the husband, on his money, but that he can give, than provide... Russian women are seldom enough rich.
Not so that would be desirable to find the husband the miser who will give up in anyone, even the most necessary things.
Refuse itself in I many respects here I can.
The everyone man wants to have not only the clever, good wife but also that she was beautiful and looked well . But it, naturally, costs money. And emotionally the woman who knows wins, that she well looks - she is nervous less, she is in good mood. And to whom it is favourable first of all??? To her husband!!!
Strong the man will know, that the beauty of his wife is intended for him, and weak will start to be jealous. And the mood will be spoiled at both.
Money are only means for reception of things necessary for a life. If money become the purpose, this person means has forgot to be happy!!!
And the not wife, but only housekeeper is necessary for him.

[Ksusha]

[QUOTE= (katya @ July 27 2003,08:36)]But at ordinal life, every day she mustn

[liam]

but ksusha, what if she looks like a horse http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ?

[sean]

[QUOTE= (katya @ July 27 2003,00:16)]He answer

[sean]

[QUOTE= (Tom @ July 27 2003,02:05)]But my earlier advise still stands.

Katya says that if a man "turn away, at first hard minute", then he is weak and no good.

[liam]

welcome back seany http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[sean]

[QUOTE= (liam @ July 27 2003,10:52)]but ksusha, what if she looks like a horse http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Vicky]

[QUOTE= (Ksusha @ July 27 2003,12:27)][QUOTE= (katya @ July 27 2003,08:36)]But at ordinal life, every day she mustn

[Tom]

[QUOTE= (sean @ July 27 2003,13:52)][QUOTE= (Tom @ July 27 2003,02:05)]But my earlier advise still this is an important time in a relationship.

[Tom]

I guess my opinions come from my own personality.
I am not a ferocious fighter, like a wildcat.
I am more stubborn and resilient like a mule. I just keep pulling and pushing forward

[Tom]

[QUOTE= (liam @ July 27 2003,11:50)]Tom: the M.I.L.F Hunter http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[katya]

Tom.
I was means some another, when was write about horse.
Simply some man at Russia look at woman really horse, which cart at herself home, cook , clean , children , work , and husband into the bargain.
Such man talk

[katya]

[QUOTE= (liam @ July 24 2003,11:15)]oooooooooooooooopsy, try as i might, looking through my lonely planet russia phrase-book i can't understand a word of that katya http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Josef]

Hi all,

Well... after I read all answers I would like to tell my little and personal opinion about all this. Well, firs of all I want to introduce myself. My name is Jose, I am 34 y.o. and I am from Madrid (Spain). I am sure that all what you said is true and that there are many men than only want to play with women (looking for sex, entertainment, ...) and this is really sad because they are playing with the feelings of people and this is one of the worst thing that one person could do with other. I am sure all we had one of those bad experiences when someone plays with our feelings and how you feel when you are the victim. But is true that there are many women in Russia too (sorry me, not only women if not men pretend to be women too) that only try to play with western men to get money from him. This is sad too because scammers are victims of the reality of the society where they live... and all we know that there are many people has economic problems in Russia actually. I write all this as a man victim of one of this scammers... not because I lost money (and if I had been I don't mind for that) if not because my feelings were real, clear and sincere and the person that was at the other side (a real woman) was playing with me... so I now how bad could be feel one of this women when a western man is playing with she. I am still looking my partner... don't answer me why I look she in Russia but since I was a child I feel something special for that country and I want my wife be from there. I don't know what is the best method to do it... perhaps one of those wedding pages, perhaps travel directly to Russia ant met a girl there... perhaps if you have time to do it is the best way but I haven't got the time in this moment and don

[QUOTE= (Josef @ Aug. 09 2003,18:24)]Hi all,

Well... after I read all answers I would like to tell my little and personal opinion about all this. Well, firs of all I want to introduce myself. My name is Jose, I am 34 y.o. and I am from Madrid (Spain). I am sure that all what you said is true and that there are many men than only want to play with women (looking for sex, entertainment, ...) and this is really sad because they are playing with the feelings of people and this is one of the worst thing that one person could do with other. I am sure all we had one of those bad experiences when someone plays with our feelings and how you feel when you are the victim. But is true that there are many women in Russia too (sorry me, not only women if not men pretend to be women too) that only try to play with western men to get money from him. This is sad too because scammers are victims of the reality of the society where they live... and all we know that there are many people has economic problems in Russia actually. I write all this as a man victim of one of this scammers... not because I lost money (and if I had been I don't mind for that) if not because my feelings were real, clear and sincere and the person that was at the other side (a real woman) was playing with me... so I now how bad could be feel one of this women when a western man is playing with she. I am still looking my partner... don't answer me why I look she in Russia but since I was a child I feel something special for that country and I want my wife be from there. I don't know what is the best method to do it... perhaps one of those wedding pages, perhaps travel directly to Russia ant met a girl there... perhaps if you have time to do it is the best way but I haven't got the time in this moment and don

Remember, it cost thousands of U.S. dollars to come to russia. A man is NOT going to spend that money and fly all that way just for sex. He want a solid wife and children. If he just wanted sex then for that amount of money he could stay in the U.S. and have many women at the same time. Most of these men are older 27 to 43 years old and not rich but not poor. A rich guy can have any woman in the U.S. so he doesn't have to go to russia. The 20-25 year old guys just got out of college and have not made enough money to do much traveling so there are very few of them going to russia. So, give the old and average pay U.S. dude a chance and he will give you a new life in a new country with his love.

Thats all..

[liam]

i dunno about that westernguy, i once drove for 3 hours for a blow-job http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

liam

[Vicky]

was it worth the road liam? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[peterjohnb]

Liam - You must live in the OUTBACK or worse in NZ!!!

[Josef]

Hi Nataliya:

Thank you for your words I know you try to help me. I thought I had get over the problem but when I read the forum I remember all and was hard. I know I have to acept it and try to redo my life and be happy. I am sure some day I find the girl I am looking for... I know she exist somewhere. Of course probably it could more easy look for in my country... I had other relations with spanish girls... but didn't work at all. I didn't know there were so many russian people living here in Spain. The only time we heard about Russian people here is when the news say that the police arrest X russian girls for work in prostitutión... is sad but it seems to be that there are many girls here in that situation... well I don't say nothing if they are doing because they want... is their decision... but is really apity if they are forced by Mafias.

Somebody know how can I look a russian woman here in Spain? I am not going to put an announcement in a newspaper. :-)

Really... she is going to use me for a ride... I like that... I will be the best horse in the world.
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Kisses

Jose

P.S.: Sorry for my bad English.

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Josef @ Aug. 12 2003,00:32)]Hi Nataliya:

Thank you for your words I know you try to help me. I thought I had get over the problem but when I read the forum I remember all and was hard. I know I have to acept it and try to redo my life and be happy. I am sure some day I find the girl I am looking for... I know she exist somewhere. Of course probably it could more easy look for in my country... I had other relations with spanish girls... but didn't work at all. I didn't know there were so many russian people living here in Spain. The only time we heard about Russian people here is when the news say that the police arrest X russian girls for work in prostitutión... is sad but it seems to be that there are many girls here in that situation... well I don't say nothing if they are doing because they want... is their decision... but is really apity if they are forced by Mafias.

Somebody know how can I look a russian woman here in Spain? I am not going to put an announcement in a newspaper. :-)

Really... she is going to use me for a ride... I like that... I will be the best horse in the world.

[Josef]

Hi Nataliya:

¿Así que hablas algo de español? Pues no parece que lo hagas nada mal... ya me gustaría a mi hablar así ruso!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Perhaps is better your idea of meet a Russian girl here in Spain. If you kow any of that agencies here in Madrid I would be very grateful to you. Of course I try to go out and be happy... but I don't like spanish girls at all.

Thank you again Nataliya.

Sorry all for speak Spanish in this forum.

Jose

-
Just enjoying all the wonderful metaphors in this Forum!

"...
Now no woman here will be interested in 'Tom the Mule'!!!!
..."

Procreation-wise a mule is not a good choice.....
(but, of course a metaphor can be taken too far... That's always the risk of metaphors).

v

re.
"...
Last statistics showed there are 120 000 Russian people in Spain, 1/3 of them- women. You can well look for your bride in a "comfort of your own home". ...and not to worry she is gonna use you just "for a ride". ..."

Of course a cynical person could how they got there....????

(Sorry, that I am always so negative)

1) Typo
"...
Of course a cynical person could how they got there....????
...">>>>>
"Of course a cynical person could ASK/WONDER how they got there....????

2)
Jose writes
"...Sorry all for speak Spanish in this forum...."

-No problemo [to quote a movie]
-however, the 'system' 'mangles' anything that is not strictly standard ascii-code text:

-example:
¿Así que hablas algo de español? Pues no parece que lo hagas nada mal... ya me gustaría a mi hablar así ruso!!

-hasta la vista

[Nataliya]

"Of course a cynical person could ASK/WONDER how they got there....??
To a wondering cynic:

Tell me how do you get anywhere? I guess you have a passport and you take a plane? or a train? in this case they take a bus from Poland because it's much cheaper.

If you wanted to ask why are they there? To look for better life,job,get some opportunities in life. Is that a crime? Not everyone is willing to marry for relocation,and those who do- they have no idea what they are putting themselves into. To marry for genuine reason (that's when you fall in love) and to marry for life improvment-those are two different things and in the second case it's bound to fail sooner or later.

I can also answer why so many of them in Spain. In 1999 it was an Amnesty in Spain- government was legalising all illigal immigrants througout Spain-it was mass movement through the borders,not only from FSU,but also from the rest of the world. No secret that Spain is underpopulated,so few hundred thousand more inhabitants wasn't such a big problem. Now they are legal residents with jobs. 14 of October 2003 new "foreign labor" law came to force,now anyone from any country can apply for working visa if you have job offer,doesn't matter of what kind,not only doctors or lawyers- could be in supermarket,constractions or on the fields. Prostitutes? Of course there are plenty of them in Spain,as in any country of Europe or US,not only from FSU,but from England,Sweden,Thailand, Marocco...-everywhere, you name it.

Any more questions?

Nataliya ,

Thanks for the information.
I guess I got carried away by the doom and gloom in other postings.
Of course, if they can just move there, I do not understand why the number is not much higher.

There is a sign somewhere in the vicinity of New York's harbour expressing an inviting and hospitable attitude towards immigrants.
Could we have that moved from NY (where it does not apply any more) to Spain (where it would be more appropriate)?

.....................

[Nataliya]

Nataliya ,

Thanks for the information.
I guess I got carried away by the doom and gloom in other postings.
Of course, if they can just move there, I do not understand why the number is not much higher.


.....................
Because the government decided against any "amnesties" in future due to political disagreements between "left" and "right" parties,in 1999 was the only one. Also 120000-it's only FSU immigrants,there's Colombians, from Ecvador,Urugway,Brazil, North Africa... millions of people from Western Europe coming to make their second homes in Spain and lots of them move permanently afterwords. Spain is getting quite a cosmopolitan place.

Even though by law you can apply for permission to enter and work-it does not guarantee that person is going to get that permission.

[MartinUK]

Van,
The first thing any individual has do do is raise the airfare and some living money. Whilst you and me may take this as a matter of course some of these ladies wanting to relocate may be on a salary of between $20 - $100 a month. They'll never be able to afford to relocate unless they meet a western guy.

Nataliya
writes:
"...So,for now that sign in NY better remain where it belongs. ..."

-but:
-it does *not* belong any more.

The US is very difficult to get into these days!

.....
-Perhaps they could put the sign in a Museum??
(perhaps they have, I can't remember where to look for it).

Western Men and Russian Women, "Mail Order Brides"

-Another site has a reference to a Web site and a call for comments:

The site:

http://andtheylivedhappilyeverafter.com/49.htm

has an interesting article which is very critical of men seeking a Russian (or Asian) wife.

The article is also critical of the women...

In my view, the article takes a 'scatter-gun' approach or 'tars everybody with a very broad brush'.

However, I also found that most of the viewpoints and arguments of the article have been used before about 'Arranged Marriages' - in particular about the practice of Muslim men 'importing' a wife from 'the old country'.

In this context, however, the discussion was quickly brought to an end with statement like:
1) It is part of their Culture
2) The discussion is an attack on Islam

So:

1) If I am a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, I have no 'Culture' , that can justify my actions (???)

2) But, if I am a Muslim, the same actions cannot be criticised (???)

I think we are entering very dangerous territory here!!!