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liam

07-08-2003, 12:47 AM

i've never written to a girl from a dating site, though i have 'pen-friends' from various countries/cultures that i'm interested in. Writing to girls from a specific dating sites does'nt really interest me so much because of the immeadiate thoughts and desires of forming a possible romantic relationship......................thats the only reason the girls advertised and the man's replied, to hopefully, one way or the other find 'love'.. i'd personally find it far better to meet/talk/chat/write to some-one forming a friendship first, theres no-way i'm gonna open my heart, my dreams and my wishes on the strength of a pretty picture (it'd be much more productive to simply approach one of the girls in my local cafe) and a few sentances about how they want a 'generous wealthy guy' (i'd like a generous wealthy girl http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) and a 'cozy home'........................thats all kinda obvious and doesnt need to be stated.
no offence CLB but if you just want a 'babe' , thats easy, why bother with russia?, theres heaps of foxes. I can with alarming regularity if i choose to and as my friends here in the internet world will attest i'm a fully regular guy, with a huge drink and drugs problem, bad attitude and a bit of a bully..............but hey!, nice guys come last. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
cheers liam

ps vicky, if you had a son living in nz, america, europe, would you let him go to russia to find a bride? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

CLB1973

07-08-2003, 01:28 AM

Liam, I'm joking man. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Vicky

07-08-2003, 05:51 AM

liam,
why not? The thought i might have had in this case though could have been something like - my baby wants to see the world.. well, if he finds a girl of his dream over there, why should i object?

liam

07-08-2003, 10:04 AM

so was i clb http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

cheers vicky http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

CLB1973

07-08-2003, 04:50 PM

[QUOTE= (liam @ July 08 2003,13:04)]so was i clb http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

CLB1973

07-08-2003, 05:21 PM

Hey Vicky! I tell you what I look for. I absolutely cannot pass up emailing a lady with a pic that has a great smile. Even if the girl is a total babe, if she has a nasty uptight face, I'll continue looking. And on the reverse, even if the lady isn't a looker, but has a incredible smile, I will respond. I'm looking for a lady with a great attitude, positive personality that will not suck the energy out of me. So since the pic is the first thing we can look at before the profile, I check out the smile. Next comes the content. I agree with the one poster that said to leave certain keywords out such as : financially stable (which is subjective, we might think that is $300K a year), or generous (which means send me gifts everyday), or well situated (house in Beverly Hills with a Ferrari or I'll leave you). Next, before even looking at her characteristics, I look for "what she looks for in a partner." I'm 30, so if the female is 25, and is willing to accept a partner up to age 60, I rule her out. God, who in the world would want to marry someone 35 years older than herself other than a scammer or "green card chic." I'm looking for a sincere partner. I think all of us guys have the biggest fears of being used for escape routes rather than lifelong partners, so anything you can say to the effect of your commitment to finding a soulmate will standout above the lady that just says "looking for a kind, rich guy up to age 65." http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Personally I think the more "sincere" and "less canned" the post is, will get the best quality responses. I emphasize "quality".

Also try not to used canned letters you used on the last guy . If a lady asks me a question related to my intial letter, she's a winner!http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I purposely include special comments in intitial letters to weed through the girls "going through the motions until they hit me up for some bucks."

I was reading one of your posts, can't remember the topic, but remember you telling Katya something to the effect of "I'll take a good man anyhere I can find him, even if it's a garbage can." I have never read such humble words from a female before in my life. As we say in the states "just keep it real", and you will find a good quality guy. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Tom

07-08-2003, 11:59 PM

I'm looking for a sincere partner. I think all of us guys have the biggest fears of being used for escape routes rather than lifelong partners, so anything you can say to the effect of your commitment to finding a soulmate will standout above the lady that just says "looking for a kind, rich guy up to age 65." http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Personally I think the more "sincere" and "less canned" the post is, will get the best quality responses.
I agree with that.

katya

07-09-2003, 05:31 PM

Boys.
I have girl-friend, she is 31, and she have daughter. She want to give her profile now, of find somebody at men

liam

07-09-2003, 11:25 PM

have you been reading my profile katya? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

katya

07-10-2003, 08:03 AM

have you been reading my profile katya? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
No , Liam. Where is it ? ;)))

Scaramouche

07-11-2003, 01:42 AM

Vicky, I think probably the best thing I can tell you is to write what you want and who you are, not what you think someone else might want to hear.

Also, as mentioned earlier, if someone responds and asks questions, be sure to either answer those questions or acknowledge the questions you were asked.

12-04-2003, 12:01 PM

Scaramouche
writes:

"...
...I think probably the best thing I can tell you is to write what you want and who you are, not what you think someone else might want to hear...."

-Yes, actually, if it becomes too clear that a Profile seems to be created to say what people want to hear it is a "red flag".

Unfortunately, there are a few problems.
1) Text analysis - "did she actually mean that, or is she trying to 'say the right thing'?"
2) she might not actualy have big game fishing [or whatever] as a hobby, but be genuinely prepared to do it if the man has...

[Footnote question here: If a woman has 'Yachting' and 'Horse riding' among her hobbies, and I do not have a yacht or a horse...., is she bringing her own?][or am I out of my league?]

..........

BUT. It really starts with the Agency (if one is involved).
They seem to have some weird ideas about what information should be listed.
The women should therefore be prepared for some questions in the first letter. -Questions - and first letters - that could have been avoided if the 'Personal Information Form' had been better!

.....

12-07-2003, 08:47 AM

---
another one:

The woman is looking for:
"...
financially secure, high education, free of bad habbits, generous, with good sense of humor, family oriented
..."

Now,

financially secure --- exactly what does that mean? (nobody knows what the future brings...)

high education ---- how high is that? (I haven't got my PhD yet...[and never will, actually])

free of bad habbits ---- who is? (but it might have a hidden meaning (?))

generous --- how generous? (assumedly within the parameters of 'financially secure' ?)

with good sense of humor --- wait till you hear my jokes...

family oriented --- what does that mean?? (what am I doing here? we aren't putting together a polar expedition team, are we?, would a non-family-oriented person be here ???)

1) I do not understand this.

2) but if it is to be understood the way I think (guess, assume), then I fall short of the requirements - very short

3) and if I did not, I probably would not be here now

--What is going on???

..............................

By the way: Many of the women seem to have qualifications enough to move to the west on their own (provided the profiles are genuine..)
And men would be much less 'scared' if the women were not using agencies in the Former Sovjet Union....

Thunderdome

12-07-2003, 05:33 PM

Van,

by the looks of things you are ready to study www.womenrussia.com. Study I mean, not gloss over.
Just about every question you've asked the answer for can be found here.

12-08-2003, 12:22 AM

Hello all.
New to the Ukrainian woman thing, hopefull, but have serious questions about all this and I just want the truth before I go and expose my ass to the corruption from hell that I've read here.

43, own a company pearched on the verge of success, in good shape and single. Tired of the dating scene here in Canada, and jaded by meeting 3 women here that are recent immigrants (with their russian husbands) I admire their class, devotion, sexuality, appearance, etc.

One of them being brutally honest, mentioned that hookers or prostitutes are everywhere these days. O.k. Strange as it may sound, I remember one thing that the same lady mentioned all too well, that there is nothing like a Ukrainian girl that loves you.

Being the cautious fellow I am I have been doing research on this whole thing and then I found you.

Have been very carefully picking from, and narrowing down the girls from loveme.com (the romance tour company) and Russian women personals (same as bluesapphires.com) Talk to me people, is this bs or what? I'd really like to travel there, but then I read your posts about corruption, theft, hookers etc. and I'm wonderin, WHY bother?

I'd like to belive, and I truly do get the depressed economy, and women doing what they have to do to survive and get the hell out of there, but again I'm just an honest canadian boy that want's to find his dream girl. Am I in the wrong place?

One of the women I've met's husband offered up friends of his back in the ukraine that if I paid expenses for them they would give me a report on the women I want to meet. (are they really a lawyer? doctor? or turning tricks every chance they get?

Sheesh, like I said, I'd like to beilive in all of this, and I'd love to see the country, (hey, I'm a canadian that grew up with the old saying "better dead than red", the berlin wall, commies, the cold war etc. but now I can go and see their contry and be welcomed??? Once in a lifetime stuff if you ask me, to meet my destiny in a woman would be a bonus.

Any thoughts, or TRUTHS would be most appriciated.
thanks all for your time.
CyG.

12-08-2003, 07:01 AM

Thunderdome,

thanks for referring me to that Web-site. I shall study it.
(but asking questions to other people is easier than studying, however, I guess I might as well stop being lazy).

.............

12-08-2003, 07:05 AM

Thunderdome,

(I can't resist being me)

Have you ever told your Russian frinds that there is a foreign land, where they
Eat Pavlovas

........................

12-08-2003, 07:29 AM

-
another one:

"...
I don't like cooking and submission.
..."

-actually, neither do I.

But it makes me think of some of the problems - including communication problems.

And about the women's thoughts about the men who are going to read their Profiles.

....

MartinUK

12-08-2003, 07:44 AM

Cygnus,
Forget international sites such as loveme.com, yahoo personals etc. The blacklists are full of girls from such sites, these sites are where the scam organisations hang out.
Go to a dedicated FSU site or agency, look for a girl who hangs-out in her own backyard rather than one who has gone looking internationally on let's say yahoo.

With regard what a lady should put in her profile, the truth please. If you look for a man with a lot of money then say so, if money is not important then say that also. Please indicate the 'honest' age group of man you look for, say how you like to occupy your free time, how many children you may like, talk about your personal qualities and those of the guy whom you wish to meet.

12-08-2003, 09:10 AM

Re. Profiles
She is good-looking, has university education and says
"...I am looking for reliable, good, honest, ingelligent man...."

-I shall step aside, so I do not get trampled in the mad rush of males....
(or, I am not sure I have a chance, so I won't try..)

Seriously: I am not sure I understand.
She is from a big city. Are there no males there who meet the criteria?
Or have I overlooked something?

..........
-I am sure there is a special language for this area, I am trying to learn it...

12-08-2003, 09:28 AM

-Re. Profiles

She is not asking much:
"...
He must be without problems and without bad habits.
..."

........................
Excuse me.
I just need to sit down in a corner and cry.
I seem to have got my invitations mixed up and gone to the wrong party.

Nataliya

12-08-2003, 03:33 PM

humanistX

12-08-2003, 08:24 PM

Believe me, many men do not read profiles
One friend of mine crossed very bad scam one day. He was exchanging letters , supporting Internet cafe and so on by Western Union check. It was Asian girl not FSU. The girl was extremely beautiful, educated and so on. There was some sad story ...I do not remember details ...In the end he found out that it was not a girl but a gay guy. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Then he put the profile with her picture at one dating site , saying that I am not that girl, but the man who suffered and blablabla ...The picture was still beautiful. Do you know how many responses he got ? Dozens !!!! And all they started with the words" Hi beauty...." , and so on... Believe me it is 100 % true story.

My opinion about the profile. Take couple of pictures , one from the agency (by the way I have no one picture from the agency at all in my profiles) and one home made, but good. It is better to use a digital camera to have ability to chose the better one and to change them often .
And the information should show your individuality. Grey mouse' profile will meet the response of a great mouse. As far as I know most of Russian girls are creative, clever, intelligent, have some bright individual vision. Do not be afraid to be yourself and luck will find you.
love to all!

MartinUK

12-08-2003, 09:56 PM

Nataliya,
The majority of western men like a drink although a lesser proportion may be considered heavy drinkers.
I have been made well aware of the problems FSU ladies see in their own men regarding drink but please can you define where the borderline lies between a guy who likes a drink and a heavy drinker.
Once had a lady came to live with me, we've talked about this before Nataliya. I made a genuine effort and changed my evening 'tipple' to one or two cans to non-alcoholic beer and she still claimed I had an addiction.
On a summer evening I like a cool drink and I don't do lemonade or cola, she didn't last very long!

12-10-2003, 08:00 AM

Nataliya,
writes:
"...
Don't cry The bad habits usually means heavy drinking and smoking and problems could be criminal records. If you don't have that- you'll be perfect candidate , but don't forget to ask lady the same question. ..."

No, those are not my problems and not my bad habits.
(Lack of initiative is one of my bad habits, though....)(...or is that a problem?)

However, going from one end of the scale of the interpretation (no bad habits AT ALL, no problems AT ALL) to the other (limiting 'bad habits' to smoking and heavy drinking and limiting 'problems' to criminal records...)
just shows how difficult communication is in this case.
The agents do not make it any easier with their 'forms' for information gathering. It is difficult to describe yourself in a couple of sentences, and it is difficult to describe your desired partner...

There will be a number of cases where the initial letters show that the two people are in fact not interested in each other.
-Or 'just hang in there' until enough informations has been exchanged to be sure it was a mistake....

-Of course: Most agencies would rather have me write to 50 - or 100 - women, than to 5......
(and sent flowers through their associated flower shops, etc....)

12-10-2003, 08:12 AM

MartinUK
writes:
"...The majority of western men like a drink although a lesser proportion may be considered heavy drinkers...."

You are no doubt correct.

And it needs to be said.

Because, a nice gentleman from UK does not draw attention to himself or his nationality.

Drunken people do. And by now drunken englishmen are increasingly being barred from bars and restaurant in certain part of Europe. -Mainly where there are cheap flights from UK, of course.

There is going to be an image-problem...

12-10-2003, 09:46 AM

She looks nice, but she is looking for a real man.

She writes:
"...Self-sufficient man, necessarily well educated and with sense of humour. Having the real man's hobbies: sports, hunt, fishing..."

OK, I gave up sport some time ago, I get my meat and my fish from the supermarket...

......
Quite apart from interesting remarks about my not being a real man,
it could actually lead to some questions about Russian women's ideas about what a man is...

What is a man??

MartinUK

12-10-2003, 08:31 PM

12-11-2003, 01:31 AM

12-11-2003, 04:05 AM

Van,
Many British men, and some ladies, bring disgrace upon their country particulary, it seems, if they are associated with football.
I've lived in other countries thus I can see it, from perhaps your point of view, and you are quite correct. I've said very much the same about them myself to my friends of all different nationalities.
Perhaps now, you may begin to understand why I do not seek a British partner!
MartinUK
-Drunken and disorderly behaviour is not limited to British football fans. All nationalities seem to have examples of people who 'let their hair down' too much when they are away from home. (But British football fans do it at home [in their own home-town] too!!)
-It creates a bad reputation...

On the note of 'stereotypes' and 'reputation' (of a different kind) I cannot resist (partly inspired by weird questions in another Forum) to 'pick on' the last sentence of your posting. (re. partner...)

The film "No Sex, Please, We are British" seem to play on another stereotype!

(Sorry - I could not resist the temptation...)

12-11-2003, 04:14 AM

Nataliya
writes:
"...I've seen some drunks around,usually the day when they had their salary-not a pretty picture I should tell you. LOL..."

I actually see TWO problems:
1) Drunkenness
2) -If it always happen on pay-day, it seems to indicate that they are always flat broke before pay-day!!

........
Now to the hard (unpleasant) question:
Do the females also spend hard when they are paid, then try to survive until next pay???

12-11-2003, 04:30 AM

Nataliya
writes:
"....
In some countries it's a custom-to have a bottle of vine on the table for dinner (France,Italy,Spain) and I don't think they are alcoholics. As to switching from beer to cola or lemonade- very stupid for many reasons. Beer- natural product made of hops,wheat...brewed. ...."

1) -and some countries have a 'beer-culture' (where you can have a light beer with your lunch, without anybody finding it unusual...)
2) re. cola: yes, it's full of chemicals and sugar.
3) re lemonade: home-made is OK
4) (being pedantic:) beer is not made on wheat, but on barley

-And, actually, strictly speaking, and taste aside:
On a hot summer night you need to drink something that has both little sugar and little alcohol.
(Am I being a 'spoilsport' here??

12-11-2003, 04:46 AM

Nataliya
writes:
"....
If take this subject seriously- we are talking about adult people here,who already developed their life habbits,likes and dislikes. If you don't like person(who drinks occasionally) to drink at all-don't get into relationship with him. I think everyone has a freedom to choose what he/she likes and if you like someone- you like him/her the way he/she is. I'm not talking extremes here. If you want to change a person- it's definitely something wrong with that relationship,why did you like him/her on the first place??...."

-And, on the subject of 'Profiles':

I see this discussion as useful with respect to 'understanding' - understanding what is meant by what is 'said' in the Profiles, and understanding of what is meant by what is 'said' in letters.

If you need to change your partner early in the relationship, there must be something one of you has misunderstood or overlooked!

The purpose of the whole exercise should be to find someone, who does not need to be changed, and who does not want to change you.

Is that too much ???

Nataliya

12-11-2003, 02:55 PM

I actually see TWO problems:
1) Drunkenness
2) -If it always happen on pay-day, it seems to indicate that they are always flat broke before pay-day!!

........
Now to the hard (unpleasant) question:
Do the females also spend hard when they are paid, then try to survive until next pay???
I wasn't talking about all FSU men here,there are ones who don't do that,not everything is so bad just yet

Nataliya

12-11-2003, 03:07 PM

3) re lemonade: home-made is OK
4) (being pedantic:) beer is not made on wheat, but on barley

-And, actually, strictly speaking, and taste aside:
On a hot summer night you need to drink something that has both little sugar and little alcohol.
(Am I being a 'spoilsport' here??
No probs-let's be pedantic

Nataliya

12-11-2003, 03:09 PM

If you need to change your partner early in the relationship, there must be something one of you has misunderstood or overlooked!

The purpose of the whole exercise should be to find someone, who does not need to be changed, and who does not want to change you.

Is that too much http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
That is exactly the point I was making. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

12-11-2003, 03:26 PM

Nataliya.

re.: Spending.
I did not make myself clear.
What I really meant is:
Is it common (for both men and women) to spend money unnecessarily when they get paid - knowing, but ignoring, that they will be very poor long before next pay-day?

Also, re. the last sentence of your post:
Is it common or rare that women spend money without sharing responsibility for the family budget?

..................
It is nearly Christmas, and my letterbox is full of colourfull brochures - and they want us all to use our credit cards to the maximum!
-It is not that foresight, long term planning, and careful budgeting is common where I am - what about Russia?

Nataliya

12-11-2003, 10:02 PM

1.Is it common (for both men and women) to spend money unnecessarily when they get paid - knowing, but ignoring, that they will be very poor long before next pay-day?

2.Also, re. the last sentence of your post:
Is it common or rare that women spend money without sharing responsibility for the family budget?
1. I'd say it depends.Not all families are so poor as you think,there's a lot of rich people in Russia and some by far then some Westerners.They spend all they want necessarily or not,tend to spend it on comfortable luxury life,travel,cars...lots of things they don't really need,but can afford and show off.
Poor people don't have such freedom of choice,so I guess they do plan it carefully.

2. Very common and considered normal. Women take it for granted that men take care of finance in the family-household bills,food, furniture,holidays,kids...Flowers and gifts are compulsory for birthdays,Women's Day,Christmas(New Year)...and in between

Tom

12-12-2003, 12:44 AM

[QUOTE= (Nataliya @ Dec. 12 2003,01:02)]2. Very common and considered normal. Women take it for granted that men take care of finance in the family-household bills,food, furniture,holidays,kids...Flowers and gifts are compulsory for birthdays,Women's Day,Christmas(New Year)...and in between

12-12-2003, 01:51 AM

-
"...Man is fire and spirit, and modern man is the same but only without spirit and fire

12-12-2003, 02:35 AM

Nataliya,

-Of course, not everybody is poor. I am trying to re-phrase my question. Even people on high salaries have been known to spend too much on luxury items when they get paid - only to be poor (with respect to money) long before the next pay.
It was that kind of cycle I was referring to.

You, Nataliya, also write:
"...
Very common and considered normal. Women take it for granted that men take care of finance in the family-household bills,food, furniture,holidays,kids...Flowers and gifts are compulsory for birthdays,Women's Day,Christmas(New Year)...and in between ..."

I am glad to have that piece of information.
1) Finances: Obviously the idea of a joint bank account becomes a bit 'interesting'
2) Compulsory flowers and gifts: Most women in the West see it the same way... BUT: If it is Compulsory it is not a 'gift' any more, is it...? (More like a Tax or a Fee to keep the peace in the house....)

Tom writes:
"...This has also been my observation. The Russian women I know here in the US all seem to expect their husbands to pay for everything...."

-I believe you...
There are, however, two aspects:
1) Do the paying (i.e. write the cheques [checks], managing the accounts, etc..)
2) Where does the money come from?
-Mine? Yours? Ours?

I find the discussions in this Forum extremely useful and interesting. It is much better to clarify certain concepts 'up front' than having problems later....

............................
And, yes, I have heard about the American woman who complained to the bank about there being 'insufficient funds' when she still had lots of checks left in her check-book...

Thunderdome

12-12-2003, 06:51 AM

" Compulsary flowers and gifts ... like a Tax or a Fee to keep the peace "

1) You come home, and on your way to the fridge you throw a bunch of exquisite flowers in the hall saying loudly "Here!" whilst she is somewhere in the living ot thereabouts.

2) You come home, sneak in the backdoor, and find her busy in the scullery. You tell her you missed her today, that you wanted to phone her 10 times instead of only the 2 you did. You produce a bunch of wilted wild flowers from behind your back and excuse yourself for them because you already stole them this morning from the office's garden when no-one was there, and hug her impatiently causing her to drop some exquisite China.

If you present your 'compulsary' flowers like 1) better marry with a prenoptual agreement for they will not keep any peace.
If like 2) then they are not compulsary for starters. Also not expensive, absolutely not cheapskatish, and I bet highly effective in 'keeping the peace'.

Did you really miss the point Van?

12-12-2003, 07:51 AM

Thunderdome,

Thanks for the advice.
-Wish I had had that some years ago....

"Did you really miss the point Van?"
Yes, I guess I did.

..............................
There is another point to it, though:
I can buy flowers because I am happy and want her to be happy.
or
I can buy flowers because I do not want her to become angry and make me unhappy.

12-12-2003, 08:05 AM

Beer
White Beer

(Biere Blanche,brewed by monks in Belgium made 50% of wheat,50% of barley,coriander and orange peel,so I just listed ingredients. )

It's an interesting world.

In another country "White Beer" is dark, full of sugar, and has no alcohol!
And, this time of the year it has a "Christmas Gnome" on the label.
(-looks a little like a garden gnome....)

Thunderdome

12-12-2003, 08:19 AM

Sven,

it becomes even more interesting.
In Germany (yeah, and also south of it) one can buy 'Weizenbier' (wheat-beer) and 'Weissbier' (white-beer). If ever you order a wheat-one then add a slice of lemon. Wait for the murkeyness to settle at the bottom of the glass, then drink it (Sorry, does not work with a white one).
It's the best thirst-quencher you can get after a hard day's of skiing, even when you're not a beer drinker.

Nataliya

12-12-2003, 04:44 PM

There is another point to it, though:
I can buy flowers because I am happy and want her to be happy.
or
I can buy flowers because I do not want her to become angry and make me unhappy.
Do you really think you can make someone happy by just presenting her with flowers?? That would be too easy,don't you think,by now everyone should be happy. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Unless you mean happy for that moment when you give it to her. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

When I wrote "compulsory"-I meant it in a sarcastic way,but that's true,that's the way it is and women become very dissapointed when they don't get "required" flowers. But then again,I personally think when you know it's coming-it takes the whole fun and element of surprise away. I might as well buy my own flowers in that case.

12-13-2003, 04:25 AM

Thunderdome
writes
"...It's the best thirst-quencher you can get after a hard day's of skiing, even when you're not a beer drinker...."

-I shall remember that.
-"...after a hard day's of skiing...." when they have finished the plaster cast....

................
Should I take up skiing?
Many women list skiing as a hobby.
-Would they respect me more for 'skiing' than for 'collecting stamps'??

12-13-2003, 04:46 AM

Nataliya
writes:

"...When I wrote "compulsory"-I meant it in a sarcastic way,but that's true,that's the way it is and women become very dissapointed when they don't get "required" flowers. But then again,I personally think when you know it's coming-it takes the whole fun and element of surprise away. I might as well buy my own flowers in that case. ...."

I have a lot to learn!
I grew up on a farm, flowers were growing in the garden (as were fruit and vegetables).
I never quite learnt the importance of buying flowers.

Also, if 'we' share a bank account, will I spend 'our' money on flowers for her?
-Money 'she' could have used for flour.

Or, do we need to have 'mine', 'yours' and 'ours', so it is clear that I am sacrificing my own 'pocket money'?

12-13-2003, 05:08 AM

Thunderdome
writes
"... You come home, sneak in the backdoor, and find her busy in the scullery. You tell her you missed her today, that you wanted to phone her 10 times instead of only the 2 you did. You produce a bunch of wilted wild flowers from behind your back and excuse yourself for them because you already stole them this morning from the office's garden when no-one was there, and hug her impatiently causing her to drop some exquisite China...."

1) -when I come home from the office, she should not be busy in the scullery... The food should be on the table...
2) -why would I steal flowers from the office garden in the morning, when I could take them from the front garden on the way in?
3) -what's exquisite China doing in the scullery?
(-and, this day and age you can buy dish washing machines that can handle exquisite China [or so they claim])

--Just joking!!

Tom

12-13-2003, 05:55 AM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Dec. 12 2003,05:35)]Tom writes:
"...This has also been my observation.

NIKOS_GRE

12-13-2003, 08:38 AM

Hi all.
I think it is very difficult for a russian lady to find a job in a western country.We are all in the labor market and we know the competition.Their diplomas (if there are any) are not recognised to the west.So it is easy to understand that only HE could bring money at home.Of course there are some exceptions to the rule.
Marrying a Russian lady means that we accept all the financial risks.The importnad point is, that we have to choose someone with mature mind.We should do that to our countries too.Not only Russia. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Nataliya

12-13-2003, 06:02 PM

[QUOTE= (NIKOS_GRE @ Dec. 13 2003,11:38)]Hi all.
I think it is very difficult for a russian lady to find a job in a western country.We are all in the labor market and we know the competition.Their diplomas (if there are any) are not recognised to the west.So it is easy to understand that only HE could bring money at home.Of course there are some exceptions to the rule.
Marrying a Russian lady means that we accept all the financial risks.The importnad point is, that we have to choose someone with mature mind.We should do that to our countries too.Not only Russia.

Nataliya

12-13-2003, 06:14 PM

[QUOTE= (Tom @ Dec. 13 2003,08:55)][quote=
Actually, that is not so easily answered.

But basically, it is the man's duty to pay from HIS income.

I know one couple fairly well.

Nataliya

12-13-2003, 07:07 PM

Also, if 'we' share a bank account, will I spend 'our' money on flowers for her?
-Money 'she' could have used for flour.

Or, do we need to have 'mine', 'yours' and 'ours', so it is clear that I am sacrificing my own 'pocket money'?
I don't see why not to have "mine","yours" and "ours"?

" Ours"- put part of salary each for household bills,food,rent...in most countries it's direct debit,so that would be taken care of-simple and comfortable. I'd like to have "mine" as well for the simple reason that I'll be sending for example Christmas Gifts to my family and friends- I'd like to be able to do it with my own money. If my husband wants to send gifts to my family as well-it's totally up to him,but he doesn't have to,not all parents are close to their sons-in -law. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Also I'd feel much better buying birthday gift for my husband or surprise weekend away with my funds or it won't be a surprise if you have to draw it from "our" account.

NIKOS_GRE

12-13-2003, 07:25 PM

Nataliya

12-14-2003, 01:02 AM

Nataliya.
I believe that the level of education in FSU is very high.Some times it is higher than ours in the West.I ve heard some fine coments about the university of Moscow.BUT:
There are some factors that could and will slow down any effort of a Russian lady to find a job in the West, even if she tries hard.
1.Language problems.West is not only the AngloAmerican world.How many years do you think it will take to learn decent Spanish or French?(Not to mention Greek, maybe a life time)
2.The bad reputation problem.
3.The diploma problem.
4.The unemployment problem.Even in the West, it is a huge and present problem.Governments are changing because of it.Furthermore, the labor market is extremely harsh.
Consequently our potential future wife will have to make some draw backs if she wanna work.I know that it is a pitty for her and her husband of course, but it is reality.We all want a dynamic woman by our sides (bringing money at home) but life is not fair.
Once again, mature minds are the best option.
1. If you believe that the level of education is very high over there and your future potential wife is very intelligent person-then I don't see any problems with her learning any language. What do you mean by saying it'll take lifetime to learn Greek?!! I know people who had very good command of Japanese or Tigrina within a year and those two languages are much more complicated. To learn decent Spanish or French- 9-12 months of intensive course plus living in the country helps a lot,when you surrounded by locals.

2. Define "bad reputation problem". If you mean-"all Russian girls are hookers"- then screw that reputation! If the girl is not a hooker and she's confident, why should she even pay slightest attention to it. If she or you still pay attention to it-then it's your problem,the problem is in your head". If it bothers you-don't marry a Russian woman.If you think people won't employ Russian woman because of it-it's not true. If she performs her job well-it doesn't matter what nationality she is.

3. About diplomas-read above. From my own experience- I had some credit transfer from my Russian Uni,it saved me 1 year of studies,I finished the rest in the local Uni and got international degree. So,should I wish to move country now-I'd still have my degree accepted anywhere. Never had a problem with the job anywhere.

4. Unemployment problem-understandable,but you can always find a job,maybe not the job you wanted,but something to start with. Drawbacks-what drawbacks? Even working as a salesgirl in supermarket she's gonna earn 10 times more then being a doctor in FSU at the moment. If she says:" No chance I'm starting from the bottom again";-then what? She'll stay home and become a kept wife? Well why not if you're O.K with it,but something tells me-not many men are. Instead of taking pity-get more optimism and get prepared. If both are serious-she'll start learning the language well before moving to the country,paperwork-will take long,so it's plenty of time to get ready as much as possible.

12-14-2003, 10:20 AM

Tom
writes:
"...Needles to say, their is a lot of stress in their relationship due to money-matters. And they make plenty of money, so that shouldn't be a problem...."

1) As far as I remember the film "Sleeping with the enemy" was about something else, but the title seems appropriate here!

2) I do not know how common 'Prenuptual agreements' are, but some kind of 'understanding' before marrying might not be such a bad idea!

re.: "...I guess she made her point!!!..."
She certainly made some kind of point.
Perhaps not a point quite in accord with the promise given before the alter.

-Now :
-they have no phone.
-he has a bad credit record with the phone company

NIKOS_GRE

12-14-2003, 10:21 AM

12-14-2003, 10:37 AM

Natalya
writes
"...Definitelly this girl's got issues,but how can she refuse to pay for her car insurance for example? O.K- she refused,no insurance-no driving,that would make her think and do it eventually. But she can still drive,meaning the husband is paying for it-why? Stop paying and see what happens. Or that's the way to keep her happy? Then-something is wrong with that relationship...."

This is - obviously - not limited to Russian women. And it is not new either. If you read The Old Testament you will find several stories about how "weak" women with an iron will could wrap strong men around their little finger.

I am not Dr Freud, but I guess that in the story here 'she' is 'ruling' 'him' with (among other things) guilt.
The oldest trick in the book....
Beware!

12-14-2003, 11:07 AM

Nataliya
writes
"....
If you believe that the level of education is very high over there and your future potential wife is very intelligent person-then I don't see any problems with her learning any language. What do you mean by saying it'll take lifetime to learn Greek?!! I know people who had very good command of Japanese or Tigrina within a year and those two languages are much more complicated. To learn decent Spanish or French- 9-12 months of intensive course plus living in the country helps a lot,when you surrounded by locals. ..."

1) Intelligence is not a 'one-dimension' 'thing'. People can be brilliant in one area and far from it in other...

2) "...lifetime to learn Greek..." obviously depends on the 'purpose': e.g.
being able to pretend to be Greek?
being able to communicate reasonably?
I do not know too much about Greece, but in most modern countries - and in a reasonable 'modern' job environment - people with a foreign accent can be accepted if they have the job skills.

3) You know people who have learnt Japanese within a year, but some people would obviously take much longer -very much longer. Perhaps you mainly know smart people - like yourself.

12-14-2003, 11:21 AM

NIKOS_GRE
writes (among other things):
"....
2.The bad reputation problem.
...."

Stereotypes can always be a problem.
It's all Greek to me of course
Why should I not trust Greeks bearing gifts

-but seriously: I would hope we could leave stereotypes behind - or try to, at least...

........................
I have a book with ethnic jokes.
You do not want to hear any of the Greek ones!

I have also discovered that not all Russians sit down on nothing and dance...

12-14-2003, 11:45 AM

Nataliya
writes
"...
I don't see why not to have "mine","yours" and "ours"?
....
There's number of examples like this,having own accounts gives people freedom to use the rest of their salaries as they wish without the judgement of the other,that will help to avoid few problems in the family. Just my opinion...."

-And a very good opinion too! (at least, it is my opinion, that your opinion is good.)

What is a nice female like you doing in an environment like this?

Unfortunately, I am not in your country, so I cannot suggest we discuss the matter over a glass of red wine.

..............
Seriously: Discussing matters (over a glass of red wine or otherwise) is - in my view - a very important factor.
And money-matters are very important.
I am sure the wise old peasants in your old country had a few proverbs...
One - from another country, and translated into English:
"When the manger is empty, the horses will bite each other"

12-14-2003, 12:25 PM

NIKOS_GRE
writes
".....
Even though is it not the right place for linguistic lessons, i must inform you that there are 1 million Greek words.Not to mention the derivatives.You may go on well if you know 3-4,000 words in English, but you are doing nothing if you know 10,000 in Greek.A russian girl married to a friend of mine (2 years) is starting to communicate.And she is not an idiot, believe me. ...."

I get more and more respect for the people who translated the classic Greek texts I once had to read in school.....

For Example:
The text about the wrath of Achilleus...
-not only was it translated, it also had the right rhyme and rythm.. (sorry, I forgot the English name...)

...........
re.: "...there are 1 million Greek words..."
-that will make translation into Greek very difficult, because one word in for example English could have several corresponding words in Greek - and the translator would have to decide which one to use...

..................................
Now, just for the fun of it (and Russians can join in too)
Let's have a King, a Prince, and a Stallion
and let's assume the King gives the Stallion to the Prince.
The English sentence
"He gave him him on his birthday"
1) has 'him' twice (English is not strong on case)
2) 'his' could refer to any of the three males...

What about Greek? Russian?

12-14-2003, 12:32 PM

NIKOS_GRE
writes:
"...
We all want the very best for our wives, and no one would like to see her working in a supermarket, having a doctors degree in her hands...."

-interesting you mention Doctors.
-At least they were educated to deal with the same two 'models' as you you have in Greece.

Nataliya

12-14-2003, 02:15 PM

1.Even though is it not the right place for linguistic lessons, i must inform you that there are 1 million Greek words.Not to mention the derivatives.You may go on well if you know 3-4,000 words in English, but you are doing nothing if you know 10,000 in Greek.A russian girl married to a friend of mine (2 years) is starting to communicate.And she is not an idiot, believe me.
2.I never said that all russian girls are hookers, but the bad reputation exists.Like it or not.Not accepting facts maybe a problem of your head.It is not bothering me and this is why i m still looking for a russian woman.
3.How many girls do you know that would spend 3-4 years in a western University after spending 4, maybe more, in a russian one and 2-3 years to learn the language?Give me a strict number.You maybe the exception of the rule.
4.We all want the very best for our wives, and no one would like to see her working in a supermarket, having a doctors degree in her hands.But these are compromises that we have to make.
1.Thanks for the info. I know couple of Russian girls who speak Greek,not sure about their level,but they don't seem to have problems with that.

2. I'm very well aware of that reputation and the problem with my head could be that I don't let it bother me even ever so slightly. What I was saying- people should worry less about stereotypes and don't let it to stand on a way. As far as I remember you've listed it as one of the problems for your potential wife of having diffculties with the job.

3.I'm very far from exeption,believe me.I know many girls and boys like this,all my friends are now done with their studies (some doing PHD though) and working in Western companies,mostly in UK. Not sure about 2-3 years of language studies-never had such luxury, but there were about 4 Greek boys on my course doing civil engineering for 7 years instead of 3-they had a big language problems for some reason.

4. I put that solution as a temp job,while doing your courses. But if you think that work in the shop is not honourable enough for your future wife-then you can just support her financially through everything, no problems whatsoever.

12-14-2003, 03:02 PM

Nataliya
writes:
".....
I'm very well aware of that reputation and the problem with my head could be that I don't let it bother me even ever so slightly.
...."

1) As far as I can see there is nothing wrong with your head, Nataliya

2) As far as I can see NIKOS_GRE tells us that there is a problem in Greece

...........
In other words: Don't bring/take your head to Greece and everything will be OK

(Or, if you do go there, don't speek Russian)
(and don't speek Turkish either)

12-14-2003, 03:06 PM

-the fingers are faster than the brain...
(much faster....)

for "speek" read "speak"

Tom

12-14-2003, 03:07 PM

[QUOTE= (Nataliya @ Dec. 13 2003,21:14)]I guess that shows her true feeling for her husband,not sure what point was she making- how easy it is to get bankrupt or "just watch me"

Tom

12-14-2003, 03:17 PM

1) As far as I remember the film "Sleeping with the enemy" was about something else, but the title seems appropriate here!

2) I do not know how common 'Prenuptual agreements' are, but some kind of 'understanding' before marrying might not be such a bad idea!

re.: "...I guess she made her point!!!..."
She certainly made some kind of point.
Perhaps not a point quite in accord with the promise given before the alter.

-Now :
-they have no phone.
-he has a bad credit record with the phone company
Concerning your points:
(1) You are right.
(2) You are right.

I think they had very little understanding befor she came over here.
It is strange, because they communicated for almost 2 years (and one 2 week vacation) before she came over.
Yet, somehow, she knew nothing about his true life. Many things came as a surprise. For instance, he never told her he was previously married.

They have been married for over 3 1/2 years now...and I don't know how it has lasted this long. It's a disaster.
And honestly, it is BOTH their fault. They are both totally selfish and manipulative. They look out only for their own wishes and desires.

12-14-2003, 03:35 PM

Tom
writes:
"...
As for the car insurance: The reason the husband cannot simply refuse to pay the wife's bill, is that there is a law that states that EVERYONE within a household must be covered on the same insurance plan. The idea is that anyone with a license could grab 'the family car' and go driving. This is a problem problem with families with children of driving age. The parents MUST pay to insure their children, or else their own insurance will be cut off. The only solution is to not allow the children to get a driver's license...."

-This is of course not, strictly speaking, a "Profiles" issue, but....

In my view:
1) It is good to know, because I would never have 'guessed' it...
2) In the case at hand, what about de-registering the vehicle?

3) You certainly have some interesting legislation where You live!
...............
The 'relevance' - however 'weak' it is:
In my view it is always good to clarify the conditions 'beforehand'...
Whether it is 'Profiles' or Insurance...

12-14-2003, 03:53 PM

Tom
writes
"....They have been married for over 3 1/2 years now...and I don't know how it has lasted this long. It's a disaster.
And honestly, it is BOTH their fault. They are both totally selfish and manipulative. They look out only for their own wishes and desires....."

1) So, in your view, they - in a way - deserve each other.
2) Perhaps - just: Perhaps - it is actually their "world view" that this is how it should be: A constant 'competition' or 'battle' for 'the upper hand'

People with a different world view should probably learn from the story and ask the right questions early enough....

12-14-2003, 05:17 PM

Balder,

-a 'part solution' to your search for a woman who can speak Norwegian would be ...

women who write something like

"....I study English and German currently and I shall learn the language of my future husband with great pleasure...."

(think of learning Norwegian with great pleasure...)

12-14-2003, 05:28 PM

Thunderdome,

-one Profile has
"...I hope to have a cozy home and to wait my man from his work with good supper and nice smile...."

As I said: Why would 'she' be busy in the scullery...

Nataliya

12-15-2003, 01:38 AM

Nataliya

12-15-2003, 03:07 AM

[QUOTE= (Tom @ Dec. 14 2003,18:17)]I think they had very little understanding before she came over here.
It is strange, because they communicated for almost 2 years (and one 2 week vacation) before she came over.
Yet, somehow, she knew nothing about his true life.

12-15-2003, 07:39 AM

Nataliya
writes:
"...
As to learning languages- probably you've never being in the situation when you don't have a choice really...."

No, I have not. I did study foreign languages in school. -With English as the first... Later, when I had to make a choice between continuing English or continuing German, I chose English, and I still clearly remember my reason: Anything that I wanted to read (technical literature) would be translated into English, because people in UK and particularly US needed it in English!

As a tourist I (and my then wife) made a habit of learning 'the numbers' and a few words in the languages of our destinations, so we could ask for the price of items (and make purchase decisions, and pay the right amount), ask for direction, etc.

And, generally, people were quite friendly and tolerant when we 'murdered' their language...

re.: "Russian "superintellectuality"": I am sure the Russian people are intelligent. But, much of the concept is - in my view - based on intelligence combined with a cultural 'attitude' towards education. A very positive attitude. A respect for education.

re.: "...See,just normal people who know what they want from life...."
No, they left behind colleagues and old school mates who could not have done it.

re.: "...What are they hoping for- that you'll learn Russian just to be able to communicate with them? ..."
On a slightly different (actually very different) note:
Apparently, when he was a teenager, Colin Powell worked for a shop-owner who only spoke Yiddish. So, Colin Powell learned Yiddish.
So, 1) some people in New York do not speak English 2) some people (at least one) are willing to learn Yiddish for their job.

Actually, seriously: If the girls want to move to a foreign country, it is an extremely good idea to learn the language of that country.
Or, at least a language that is common in that country! (Just for the fun of it: Some 'places' in US speak Spanish, not English....).

re.: "..If you have a goal and strong will-there should be no problems...."
-If you have a *realistic* goal...

12-15-2003, 12:24 PM

A lady wrote:
"...Since April to February I like to travel to some warmer places. This year I'm going to visit either Bali or the USA where I could meet with my favored one......"

1) She - and other ladies who write something similar - are unlikely to ask you for money for translation.

2) You can meet her without too many visa-problems, etc.

On the other hand, seen from my situation: Why would she be interested in me?

It's a problematic world, is it not?

12-15-2003, 12:42 PM

Vicky
asks
"...what would you prefer to read in a woman's profile? any tips appreciated..."

Well, that probably varies from person to person, however, after yet another 'round' of reading profiles I cannot help wondering why some ladies leave questions un-answered in the forms used by the agencies.

When I read Profiles, I briefly ask myself: "Does she fit into the 'picture' of the future I have?" If not, I go on to the next one. If information is missing I also go on.

(I must admit that at the moment I also use the Profiles to 'test' and 'adjust' my 'picture' of the future.... -Perhaps I am un-realistic...).

12-15-2003, 12:52 PM

a lady
writes
"........create a happy family based on mutual trust and understanding....."

-and I could not help thinking about the story told above by Tom.

12-15-2003, 01:03 PM

'She'
is looking for a man who is
"... Sexy and kind..."

but I'm boring and grumpy.

What a shame.
(every time I find somebody who looks good, she is looking for somebody better than me)

12-15-2003, 01:47 PM

'She'
writes
"....My favourite book - Carried away by a wind...."

I think I have seen the film.

And, if I have not said it before, I'll repeat it now:

Translations are always a problem!!

Thunderdome

12-15-2003, 06:08 PM

Van,

you may clean your rare valuable crockery in the dishwasher, after all it is yours. However some prefer to do this by hand, and do this themselves rather than being done by their maid.
And for some reason (don't ask me, I'm no architect) sinks are found in a scullery, just next to a variety of machines most of which are also connected to the waterline.
Not uncommon is the fact that vases often are found there as well, next to scissors and a dustbin, the latter two having a somewhat uncertain function when wilted flowers are brought in.

One thing is certain though. If you want somebody, by the looks of things expect this even, who waits for you to come home, this sole fact triggering her focused attention and your feeding time, may I suggest to have a look at some of the latest multi-function ovens from Siemens? Battery backed-up clock, fully programmable, very good looking and if anything utterly reliable.
In the long run also a lot cheaper than schlepping flowers home ad infinitum, and benefits like doubling as a warmer-drawer are handy when the boys unexpectedly invite you for a beer for your meal is still warm when you come home the next morning.

12-16-2003, 01:46 PM

Thunderdome,

1) The last line in my posting [Dec. 13 2003,08:08] was:
'Just joking'.

2) "...you may clean your rare valuable crockery in the dishwasher..." -haven't got any (of either)

3) "... sinks are found in a scullery..." Where I grew up, the rich people had a sink there, as well as one in the kitchen itself. If I ever win the lottery, I want a house like that.

4) "...latest multi-function ovens from Siemens..." -cannot afford that! (Do you get commission?) . And, by the way, I think the last time I used a Siemens product was when I used a so-called 'dumb terminal' linked to a Siemens 4004 computer. (It is in a museum now, I believe....)

5) re.: 'gadgets': I see you can get refridgerators now with a TV screen (or computer screen?)

6) "...schlepping flowers home ad infinitum..." I like the way you describe it. So lyrical... (or whatever the word is)

But, you might be right, even when I am 'Just joking' my true grubby 'inner soul' might show....

I wonder if a hobby like Alpine Skiing would be seen as more masculine than Collecting Stamps. (I think you are not supposed to shoot elephants any more [?]).

12-16-2003, 01:52 PM

Thunderdome,

and i forgot:
"...when the boys unexpectedly invite you for a beer..."

-Actually i also forgot when that last happened,
so,
that should not influence my planning.

........................
I am here to learn
and I think you are a good teacher
except, you are not always patient with slow learners, are you?

12-16-2003, 02:36 PM

Thunderdome,

-and let me say:

"Dankie vir die raad"

Thunderdome

12-16-2003, 06:38 PM

Van,

1) My last line should have been "Joking, but not just"
2) What about a nice vase?
3) So one is rich when one does have two sinks in two adjoining rooms?
4) You say you cannot afford that. I said "In the long run also a lot cheaper ..". May I ask, what do you eat?
5) Yes, seen them.
If you're blonde: it is for seeing what is in the fridge without opening the door, and saves the light from coming On as well.
If you're not: not only a screen but scanner and modem as well. Products finished must be scanned and 'automatically' they are delivered home then. Handy for lazy gits, however you still have to put them in the fridge by hand though.
6) Prozaic? Not Prozac mind.

Yes, it does.

I hate skiing, very tiring as well, cold, wet and miserable, but the dolls like it, that's the sole reason why I do it, honest.
(Really? Then spread the news amoungst your fellow countrymen, they pay royal sums for 5 big one's)

Thunderdome

12-16-2003, 06:52 PM

Van,

I forgot:
Shame.
The word unexpectedly inevitably obliviates planning.

................................

Me 2.
Thank you.
Slow normally indicates other deficiencies, not so?

Thunderdome

12-16-2003, 07:01 PM

Van,

let me reply:
"Mooi man!"

And now pull it through a translator and get a ludicrous result.
Then complain again.
However, what you got previously you did manage to decypher, you got the message.
And that is in fact their computed purpose - or did you believe "A Space Odyssey" ?

12-17-2003, 05:07 AM

re.: Profiles

'She' writes: "... you

12-17-2003, 05:56 AM

Thunderdome,

-A weak attempt of a response to your posting...

1) My last line should have been "Joking, but not just"
-thought so...

2) What about a nice vase?
-haven't got one. What about an old coffe jar?

3) So one is rich when one does have two sinks in two adjoining rooms?
-no. It takes more. They had a lot of other things as well. I have heard of - but not seen - family homes with five bathrooms, etc.

4) You say you cannot afford that. I said "In the long run also a lot cheaper ..". May I ask, what do you eat?
-baked beans on toast, sardines on toast, rolled oats, eggs, etc.
very rarely anything to justify an expensive kitchen...

5) Yes, seen them.
If you're blonde: it is for seeing what is in the fridge without opening the door, and saves the light from coming On as well.
If you're not: not only a screen but scanner and modem as well. Products finished must be scanned and 'automatically' they are delivered home then. Handy for lazy gits, however you still have to put them in the fridge by hand though.
-can it make coffee in the morning, and then phone your work-place with a good excuse for taking a day off??
-seriously (well half- anyway): I don't think I want my refridgerator to be mindful of my eating habits. It might start giving me 'good' advice on my diet!
And if I want that, I at least want it from a good-loking female.

6) Prozaic? Not Prozac mind.
-I don't know about Prozac. They (forgot the company name) seem to sell a lot. -Perhaps their PR section works in 'over-drive' (on Prozac??).
Press releases about Prozac have done a lot for the image of happy, energetic people....
(a bit like being blonde [?]: Some are born that way, others 'get it out of a bottle'...)

Yes, it does.
-perhaps I *should* have remained on the 'sideline' and kept my big mouth shut!
(I must have caught 'Foot-in-Mouth' disease somewhere...)

I hate skiing, very tiring as well, cold, wet and miserable, but the dolls like it, that's the sole reason why I do it, honest.
-perhaps I could get myself a plaster-cast and sit in the bar. It would be less painfull. -And I would end up with a plaster-cast anyway...

(Really? Then spread the news amoungst your fellow countrymen, they pay royal sums for 5 big one's)
-OK
-re. fellow countrymen: I don't have any. As I have said before: I am a citizen of the world - in a negative sense: I don't 'belong' anywhere.

-but I am never lost: People always tell me where to go!

12-17-2003, 06:12 AM

Thunderdome
writes
"...Slow normally indicates other deficiencies, not so?..."

Well, Yes. I am also 'shortsighted' - in many senses:

I can't see across the abyss between a 'Martian world' and a 'Venusian world'.

(no, I don't get commission for selling a book. And, Yes, I should read it again, perhaps I could understand it the second time [?])

12-20-2003, 05:18 AM

-Found 'somewhere else'

-from an interview

"...Q. What qualities about you do you think men would find attractive? A. I am a very good cook, and I am playful and very romantic. I like simple pleasures and enjoy reading and exercising in my spare time. I am a loyal person.
...."

-She is 21.

-She has every right to be who she is.

-And I have every right to look elsewhere...
(I do not need a good cook, who is also playful and romantic...
'simple pleasures' and 'loyal' sounds good, though...)

But I think this excerpt from the interview shows that there is a great variety of 'types' and 'expectations'.

And, that Profiles should be as informative as possible to save everybody time and effort.

Rambouwer/sa

12-20-2003, 05:00 PM

What should a woman write in her profile in order not to seem a scammer? or rather what would you prefer to read in a woman's profile? any tips appreciated :)
Returning to the original question of this thread: I think that you should put more about what your hobbies, musical tastes, likes and dislikes are. Not vague "I love music" or "Reading". We would like to see what you listen to, what you read, etc. Personally I am looking for someone who can sail, listens to Rammstein, reads non -fiction, loves plants and animals, but after looking through millions of profiles, I still have not found all that in one person, simply because you don`t say it! To me it seems that all the ladies concentrate on trying to prove in their profile what a good and devoted wife she will be. I think that after corresponding for a while, that is something that will be obvious, or not!

Thunderdome

12-20-2003, 05:41 PM

Rambuilder,

surely you're joking - Rammstein?http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
Good lord my man, you've got a weird taste in music if I may say so - and I may because I've also got it. But German lyrics (I presume you also listen to the original) can hardly be called popular, and the genre they fit in is also somewhat off the beaten track. Besides, it

Rambouwer/sa

12-20-2003, 06:29 PM

[QUOTE= (Thunderdome @ Dec. 20 2003,20:41)]However, I'd agree with you if you mean judging what kind of person she is, and deciding if she's worth a visit - and THEN make up your mind, sorry, start making up your mind if there's more to it, or further prospect or, as the Cowboy Junkies would say,

NIKOS_GRE

12-20-2003, 07:08 PM

Vicky, ppl,
I ve read this phrase in a RWs profile:''I prefer to hear from him the truth, even if there are bad news''.Sounds really nice to a serious potential husband.
No one will appreciate you if you listen to Mozart, U2 or Frank Sinatra.It makes no difference.I believe that the Key issues are some clever comments about you and the man that you are looking for.

Nataliya

12-20-2003, 07:37 PM

Here I've copied few advises from women forum (potential brides), one girl who's already got married is giving few words of advise to the rest about profiles. Also another guy who is looking for a wife is writing what he wants to see in those profiles. I thought it might be interesting.

[/quote] If You Decided To Place Your Photo In a Catalogue
( Nataliya from St. Petersburg advise you )

1. Be honest

2. Do not place photos in bikinis, shorts, or very short skirts. When my husband with his friends looked through a couple of such catalogues, they made comments that most of the girls look very vulgar. Many were almost naked and had poses like in Playboy magazine. Your photo should tell him: "I am a nice girl and you will be happy with me. I will be your friend and wife", but not : "I am ready to go to bed with you". And do not worry, they will notice your nice shapes even if you wear jeans or suit!

3. I know that everyone wants to look beautiful on the picture. Remember, though, that if you look very

12-21-2003, 01:19 PM

Nataliya
writes:

"....Do not place photos in bikinis, shorts, or very short skirts...."

-most men would like to see their wife like that - but *not on the internet* for everybody else to see.

-she is no longer "wife material"....

It's a cruel world....

12-21-2003, 01:50 PM

Natlaliya
I think the point of writing often for a lady is a good one, even though it can be difficult, it may indicate that she hasn't got the net spread to far, and makes the man feel there is a sense of interest or commitment
I used to write a lady 2 or 3 times a week, then I thought she had stopped because I heard nothing for 10 days, I wrote her a pretty stinking letter, because I liked her and asked her why she stopped writing, she wrote me an equally stinking letter back asking the same question, a message had obviously got lost.
After this she said I will write you every day, which she did and it kind of helped build the trust between us, because I knew she had no computer at home, I though wow she can't be writing other guys at this rate.
Then I went to see her!

12-21-2003, 02:10 PM

-when 'she' writes:
".....I like to travel and I

MartinUK

12-21-2003, 10:15 PM

Skooter,
You went to see her ................... and?

Nataliya

12-22-2003, 06:28 AM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Dec. 21 2003,17:10)]-when 'she' writes:
".....I like to travel and I

Nataliya

12-22-2003, 06:39 AM

1) -when I come home from the office, she should not be busy in the scullery... The food should be on the table...
Van, very interesting. Are you sure you're looking for a wife and not a maid???

liam

12-22-2003, 11:22 AM

Hey Nataliya http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

12-22-2003, 01:01 PM

Nataliya
writes:
(quotes from a letter..):

"....Also she should be 20 years younger then him and like him for what he is- poor and lazy. Sorry again for my daring, but I think you know that mostly men like this write to Russian women on the Internet. It's just an insult that they all think we are starving here and ready to marry any idiot from the West. I hope you have good men in your catalogues and on your site. ...."

1) -20 years: is that 20/40? 30/50? 40/60? 50/70? 60/80?

2) -some men are poor, some men are lazy, some men are both poor and lazy..
-which is why it is so important to get as much information as possible 'up front', before too much money and effort is wasted....
(but, 'poor' to one might mean 'decent, but moderate life style' to another, and 'lazy' to one might mean 'relaxed life style' to another...)

3) I certainly hope they are NOT ready to marry any idiot from the West - at least I hope they do not give him children who have his 'idiot genes'... (idiots should die childless...)

4) AND, NOW to the key question: -what does 'good men' mean?

What is a 'Good Man'????

12-22-2003, 01:14 PM

Nataliya
writes:
"...What's wrong with someone who likes to travel?..."

Nothing!
1) It keeps the Tourism Industry going.
2) It 'spreads' some people's questionnable behaviour over a greater area (example: British Football Fans)

3) Slightly more seriouly: If done properly it could promote understanding for other people and places..

-Actually, I did travel in the past myself.
It is just that at the moment I have a period when I 'take stock' of certain priorities...
I have nothing against women who like to travel - as long as it does not break the budget.
when I get myself 'sorted out' I would like to travel again ...(within budget)

12-22-2003, 01:30 PM

12-22-2003, 01:47 PM

Nataliya
asks:
"....Van, very interesting. Are you sure you're looking for a wife and not a maid??? ...."

I was actually just joking...(as you will see if you go back to the post)

Actually. No. I do not want a maid. I have always found it difficult to be the 'manager' and 'give orders'....

And. I can make my own food. -Although I am not sure anybody else would eat it....

12-22-2003, 02:54 PM

Nataliya
writes:
"....I'm going to paste a latter from womens forum in Russian and I'll enclose translation after it. See what "brides" think about you guys, I wonder if you find it "exiting"?...."

Actually, I *did* find it interesting.

1) Tatiana (the letter writer) is looking for a husband in a number of places, however, she limits herself to 3 big US cities, then mention Australia, which is very different from those cities. (One would assume that she knows that the whole of Australia has about as many people as one of the cities she mentions...?)

2) "...good and respectful life..." would probably be easier to find outside the cities mentioned..

3) Re. "..... I'm ready to walk through the hot sand (in this case it's an expression means " ready for any challenge") to achieve my goals....."
a) -there certainly is a lot of hot sand in the places mentioned. Would she walk through snow drifts as well ?? (does the metaphor indicate that she would only like the climate of the places mentioned?)
b) " ready for any challenge" - there is no information about Tatiana's background, but a number of countries would welcome skilled migrants. Is she looking for a husband or i she looking for LA, etc.? -And, it would be much easier to find a husband if she were 'there'.

4) "....They all need beautiful doll who is not allowed to ask for anything: food, clothes..."
They *are* very bad. But, they do not 'need' 'beautiful doll' - they just 'want' her - we all want more than we have (and quite often more than we deserve).
Re. "...ask for..." -Would it be better if she *was* allowed to ask....?
What kind of relationship or partnership is it if one has to *ask* the other ...?
(-not allowed to ask for food? That is certainly taking it to the extreme!)

Since we do not have the profile we do not know much about Tatiana (the letter writer). We do not know what she is going to contribute. The letter certainly does not mention anything.

Without this information I do not know what to think.
Apparently some 'idiots' wrote to her (or she heard about idiots writing..?), but was that because her Profile did not clearly specify what she wanted from her future partner. (Or, did she specify 'partner' or 'bread winner' ...?)

....
"...Any thoughts??...." you ask, Nataliya.
-Well, men are not supposed to have intuition, but from the limited information I 'have a bad feeling' about Tatiana (the letter writer).
I have the feeling that she is going to expect a lot and contribute very little.
It is in a way funny that the two countries mentioned are USA and Australia, where women were among the 'pioneers' a few generations ago - with all the hardship and hard work involved...
(just a thought)

sean

12-22-2003, 11:46 PM

Hello Elena,

I enclose my profile and foto. I count on your agency and your help in finding the candidate for my future husband. To be honest I'd like to live in a big city or its suburb like LA, S Francisco, Miami, or in Australia... I hope you understand woman who wants to have good and respectful life. Please don't think that I'm greedy and spoilt girl, I just know what I want from this life. I'm ready to walk through the hot sand (in this case it's an expression means " ready for any challenge") to achieve my goals. I'm just "weak" woman with brains and good sence of humour. But God sees "strong" woman in me who doesn't need any help. But it's not like this, I want to find a man who I want to feel safe and secure with. Excuse my revelation, but I'm extremely tired from poor and capricious men that write me on the internet. They all need beautiful doll who is not allowed to ask for anything: food, clothes...Also she should be 20 years younger then him and like him for what he is- poor and lazy. Sorry again for my daring, but I think you know that mostly men like this write to Russian women on the Internet. It's just an insult that they all think we are starving here and ready to marry any idiot from the West. I hope you have good men in your catalogues and on your site.

I'll appreciate your help.

Thank you very much for reading this revelation.

Tatiana "

Any thoughts??
Sorry,

but before I would date such a Tatjana I would save a whole bunch of nerves, time and money and would meet a

MartinUK

12-23-2003, 12:29 AM

Sean,
Please don't think for one minute the wrong sort would want a tiger in bed. That department is merely a function they need to perform to get the end result, namely the jaguar, the mink and the donkey.
For the wrong sort, it would be OK if you were gay!

Nataliya

12-23-2003, 01:29 AM

-20 years: is that 20/40? 30/50? 40/60? 50/70? 60/80?
What difference does it make?? 20 years difference is 20 years difference regardless of the age. Why not 14/34http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

AND, NOW to the key question: -what does 'good men' mean?

What is a 'Good Man'http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

Is that a question for me? Because there's no general meaning for the "good man", at least I think so. What is good for me- might not be good for someone else.

Nataliya

12-23-2003, 01:46 AM

Nataliya
writes:
"....Don't you think you worry too much about money matters???...."

Yes. Absolutely!
I have had to!
My ex-wife was careless with money - and a 'good housekeeper' : She kept the house!
And I kept the debt!
I am slowly getting out of a big 'hole' with respect to money.

Yes. I am 'damaged goods'.
I feel sorry about letting it influence future relationships (why should the next woman in my life suffer for what the previous did?).
And: That is one reason why I think 'information up front' is a good idea!

.................
By the way: It is very expensive to be poor. I am trying not to be it again!

I understand why you're worried about money in your situation. But you're not living in a TV box, are you, not on unemployment benefits?? You do have a job, right? If, so- then it's not so bad- millions people live moderately. I'm saying- you probably have to concentrate on winning your future bride with your personality not pointing money matter straight away. Only the mentioning of it right away would scare her off, much less it's going to be a romantic start up.

Nataliya

12-23-2003, 02:01 AM

To all.

I didn't paste Tatiana's letter to ask you if anyone wants to marry her. That's another story. I just wanted to show what women think about guys on the net, some women. They have women's forums you know. Potential brides. Since not many of them participate in this forum, I thought it could be interesting for you to get to know their opinions or thoughts, since mine could be quite different from "typical" Russian girls view on Western men and marriage. Therefore, it's good to know others'. There's also men scammer list exists and there's lots of horror stories those women's been through. They are as scared as you are, think about it. Lots of weird people around, hard to trust anyone- especially in cyber world where anything is possible.

Nataliya

12-23-2003, 02:09 AM

Thunderdome

12-23-2003, 08:25 AM

1.) A Jaguar in the garage
If they like a stiff upper lip they might prefer this, but I though some prancing Horse was the ideal. Nothing wrong with the image of an Arabic stallion.

2.) A tiger in bed
OK Guys, there you've got it. Chuck the nailclippers and from now on grow them long, and practise ripping on the steaks you tenderise.
I know, you won't be able to repair her jewelry or watches anymore, but hell, have it done.

3.) A mink in the wardrobe
What on earth is a Monk in a wardrobe good for? To get out of the closet? Some do you know!
Oh, mink, sorry. I thought Raccoon was a bit more playful, Canadian Red Fox way more exquisite, and Cheetah best suited for sexy evening-wear.

4.) And a donkey that makes all this money
I thought Donkey's were renowned for another capacity? I mean, they hear well because they've got big ears.
But money has to come in, and mainly Monkeys tend to do attract the public to a Circus.

Yeah, some Clowns too http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

The naked trutch about an age difference annotation is -X/+X , in a sort of Give & Take tradeoff.
Too mathematical I suppose, just can't help thinking.

Nataliya

12-23-2003, 10:05 AM

I should probably mention that 4 animal thing was very popular toast in female companies in FSU when I used to live there. On the occasion they use to raise glasses with champagne to it dreaming of those 4, only the last one (donkey) was a goat for some reason.

Nataliya

12-23-2003, 10:41 AM

The naked trutch about an age difference annotation is -X/+X , in a sort of Give & Take tradeoff.
Too mathematical I suppose, just can't help thinking.
It is too mathematical. When I've mentioned it in my post- it meant that (it's no secret for anyone) man has better chances to find more in common with the woman closer to his age and less chances to get scammed. There are always exceptions however.

Also in many cases physical age doesn't match "mental"

12-23-2003, 12:30 PM

Nataliya
writes:

".....What difference does it make?? 20 years difference is 20 years difference regardless of the age. Why not 14/34...."

1) 14/34:
a) 14: There are laws...
b) a 14 year old knows nothing.... e.g. "Former Sovjet Union" - Sovjet Union was just after the Medieval times was it not?? -back in the dark ages. etc.

2) 20 years difference is of course less significant the older people get. A 100 year old man with an 80 year old wife would not attract the same attention as a 40 year old man with a 20 year old wife!

-Just ask any 80 year old woman....

12-23-2003, 12:38 PM

Nataliya
writes (re. " ....a good man....):
"....Is that a question for me? Because there's no general meaning for the "good man", at least I think so. What is good for me- might not be good for someone else....."

However: In her letter (which you quoted) Tatiana used the term (when she wrote: "...I hope you have good men in your catalogues and on your site. ...")

So,
1) What do you, Nataliya, think she meant?
2) Everybody else... give your opinion...

What is a good man?

12-23-2003, 12:44 PM

Nataliya
writes:

".....Don't think I'm telling you to mislead her, but your situation is not so bad and not all Russian women need those 4 animals- one would do!!...."

The Donkey?
(to do all the work)

12-23-2003, 01:02 PM

Nataliya
writes:
".....I didn't paste Tatiana's letter to ask you if anyone wants to marry her. That's another story. I just wanted to show what women think about guys on the net, some women. They have women's forums you know. Potential brides. ...."

-They are of course totally entitled to have forums and discuss matters.
In general...
It would - in my view - be a matter of concern if they discussed individual men....(other than the ones they had already 'dumped').

At work I have for a long time been tired of women and girls telling 'things' about husbands and boy-friends, which I think they should not have told.
I accept that you always look after 'number one' (yourself), but if you enter into a relationsship your partner should become 'number two' and you should show some loyalty.

I actually once saw a Women's magazine that had a page dedicated to women telling how stupid their husbands (or sons) were!!! -so much for family loyalty!

.................
PS Tatiana's letter gave no indication of her Profile.
All comments would therefore be based on the 'feel' of the letter....

12-23-2003, 01:30 PM

12-23-2003, 02:09 PM

PS to previous post, re. Profiles

-and they all cook well.

Thunderdome

12-23-2003, 02:30 PM

Natik,

Regarding age-diff & the vulnerability to being scammed, only the gullible are. This is irrespective of age, and I

Nataliya

12-23-2003, 11:49 PM

... a 14 year old knows nothing....
Not true, some do, very much so.

20 years difference is of course less significant the older people get. A 100 year old man with an 80 year old wife would not attract the same attention as a 40 year old man with a 20 year old wife!

-Just ask any 80 year old woman....

what's wrong with attracting attention?? It's good! It's when you don't attract the attention you should worry about
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

sorry, don't know any 80 year old woman, but something tells me that if her husband is 20 years older- he's no longer with us http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Nataliya

12-24-2003, 12:02 AM

1) What do you, Nataliya, think she meant?
I think she's badly informed about the life abroad, she knows nothing about Western men and their mentality. She has never traveled overseas, by the way she picked places in States and Australia it's pretty obvious. She might have heard it is big cities, but there's some areas there where even American people wouldn't want to live. Big- doesn't mean good. Basically, I think she's tired of failures with cyber grooms and just trying to set her priorities.

Nataliya

12-24-2003, 12:23 AM

The Donkey?
(to do all the work)
Doubt it. I'd pick Mowgli

Nataliya

12-24-2003, 12:26 AM

-They are of course totally entitled to have forums and discuss matters.
In general...
It would - in my view - be a matter of concern if they discussed individual men....(other than the ones they had already 'dumped').
They don't. It's the same kind of forum as this one here. They discuss foreign grooms, report scam, ask questions...

Nataliya

12-24-2003, 12:29 AM

Re. Profiles

Typically:
-divorced
-1 child

"Been there, done that" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

-most of them say they have a sense of humour...
-which is good, so they can put up with me.

-but, why do they also ask that I have a sense of humour?
Aren't you divorced?? What's wrong with that?

Sense of humour? But of course, no one wants a boring partner.

Nataliya

12-24-2003, 12:36 AM

-and they all cook well.
Depends. Russian cuisine is very specific and simple. If you're no fun of it- bad news, you'd have to cook yourself or send your wife to French/Italian/Mexican/Oriental... culinary school.

Nataliya

12-24-2003, 01:19 AM

[QUOTE= ]That fishy conversation you overheard between the two choosing a meal, ever given it a thought that the old Gent could be taking her for a ride? Would serve the bitch right if you ask me.

12-25-2003, 03:50 AM

Nataliya
writes: (re. the letter quoted...)

"....I think she's badly informed about the life abroad, she knows nothing about Western men and their mentality. She has never traveled overseas, by the way she picked places in States and Australia it's pretty obvious. She might have heard it is big cities, but there's some areas there where even American people wouldn't want to live. Big- doesn't mean good. Basically, I think she's tired of failures with cyber grooms and just trying to set her priorities.
...."

-She picked three big cities (+suburbs) in USA, then threw in Australia for good measure. The whole of Australia has about as many people as just one of the US cities she mentioned. And she could find places in Australia as 'remote' as some of the places she could find in Siberia....

-In her letter she clearly spelled out what she did *not* want.
-Fair enough.
-The problem comes when she tries to set priorities for what she wants...

By the way: Does she want a man? Or a country?

By the way (also): 'Western men' in both US and Australia come from a variety of countries (or their ancesters did...), reflecting a number of different 'mentalities'!
-Of course, there were people in both places before Mayflower and The First Fleet. Does she want a man with those ancestors?

12-25-2003, 03:56 AM

The Donkey?
(to do all the work)
Doubt it. I'd pick Mowgli :p :)
Nataliya,

-and Mowgli could probably 'bring home the bacon' too...
(be 'a good provider'...)

12-25-2003, 04:08 AM

Re. Profiles

Typically:
-divorced
-1 child

"Been there, done that" ???

-most of them say they have a sense of humour...
-which is good, so they can put up with me.

-but, why do they also ask that I have a sense of humour?
Aren't you divorced?? What's wrong with that?

Sense of humour? But of course, no one wants a boring partner.
Nataliya,

Divorced: A lot of things are wrong... (but, those things happen...)

Divorced + 1 child + typical
tempted me to the remark:
"Been there, done that" ???

-Of course no one wants a boring partner.
(so, the opposite of 'sense of humour' is 'boring'....).

12-25-2003, 04:21 AM

Nataliya,

re. Profiles + my comment + your comment re.
"...they all cook well...."

They all find it necessary/appropriate to mention in their Profile, that they cook well...

.........
I was actually not being totally honest here. (not all Profiles mention cooking).

Some Profiles seem to be based on the assumption that
"The way to a man's heart is via his stomach" (or whatever the saying is)

Others seem to think that that is aiming a bit too high.

12-25-2003, 04:27 AM

Nataliya
writes:
"....Husband is a doormat- I'd recommend vasectomy. ....."

Reason?

.......................
-And if the wife is a 'doormat' ???

12-26-2003, 08:27 AM

Nataliya,

-your response to my remark about 14 year olds knowing nothing
was

"....Not true, some do, very much so. ...."

-Well, I did not make myself clear. There is 'knowing' and there is 'knowing'.
Sometimes it is a matter of 'remembering from personal experience'.
-Which can be extremely difficult for younger people.

e.g. the reception The Beatles got when they visited the Sovjet Union. Did the young girls scream as much as they did in the West?

12-26-2003, 08:31 AM

PS
-to previous post

To a 14 year old 'The Wall' in Berlin means just about as much as 'The Wall' in China - or only a little bit more...

12-26-2003, 08:50 AM

Nataliya,
-from an earlier post, -quoting you (quoting a letter...) , and commenting...

"........3) Re. "..... I'm ready to walk through the hot sand (in this case it's an expression means " ready for any challenge") to achieve my goals....."
a) -there certainly is a lot of hot sand in the places mentioned. Would she walk through snow drifts as well ?? (does the metaphor indicate that she would only like the climate of the places mentioned?) ........"

Re.: "...walk through hot sand..." (metaphor):

1) -An interesting metaphor. Is there any hot sand in Russia?

2) The hottest sand would quite obviously be found between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. None of the cities mentioned in the letter are there, but the northern part of Australia is. However, that part has no cities that have any resemblance to the US cities mentioned. -And the beach life there does not look like Miami or LA either....

12-26-2003, 09:18 AM

Nataliya
and others

Re.: Travel
(some of you think I do not do enough)

I did some 'on the Atlas'
(you know I am a cheapskate).

If you should ever run out of ideas, here is an odd one:

You could visit borders that were drawn with a ruler on the map.

Perhaps that would be too boring?

Most of them are of course on land. (And none of them are in Europe, as far as I can see).

The most boring would no doubt be the border between Russia and USA - which is on the water.

12-26-2003, 10:13 AM

Re.: What to write in a Profile
-and how to read it....

'She" writes:
"...Hobbies My interests are: piano, sports, nature, travel, literature, art, music, theatre, animals, mountain climbing, cooking...."

Oh, Yes?
-Perhaps she is honest.
Or, perhaps she feels that it would be a good idea to include cooking.

....................
Sometimes I wonder what the women think about the men who are going to read their Profiles.
-It would be a shame it she met somebody who liked her cooking, but did not appreciate her piano-playing, literature-, art-, music-, and theatre-knowledge. And, perhaps he was too lazy and over-weight for sport, nature, travel, and mountain-climbing.
-Particularly if she had added cooking just to be more 'attractive'!!

Nataliya

12-26-2003, 04:43 PM

Nataliya
writes:
"....Husband is a doormat- I'd recommend vasectomy. ....."

Reason?

.......................
-And if the wife is a 'doormat' http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
That recommendation was for the particular situation I've described. Not for just any guy who is doormat.

In that situation, they bring child to the bar after-hours, full of smoke and not very healthy environment for 4-5 year old kid to say the least. Then wife gets totally hammered and doing "exotic" dances on the pool table and daddy is just there quietly getting drunk in the corner. So, I think it's for the best if those two not to have any more children since they can't take care even of one. There's lots of abandoned kids in the world, lots of mentally disadvantaged ones due to parents alcohol or drug abuse, prisons are fool of young people, not mentioning ones who live on the streets. I doubt that many of them grew up in a loving family environment.

Nataliya

12-26-2003, 05:10 PM

1) -An interesting metaphor. Is there any hot sand in Russia?

Sure! No problems with the sand.You didn't think that only white bears walking on the streets did you?!!

"Russian Riviera

Nataliya

12-26-2003, 05:17 PM

Oh, Yes?
-Perhaps she is honest.
Or, perhaps she feels that it would be a good idea to include cooking.
What's the problem with you and cooking? In FSU all women pass the age of 15-16 know how to cook. What's so amazingly unbelievable about it? What kind of food and how they cook is another matter, but they all can and if so- then why not to mention that in the profile?

12-27-2003, 04:54 AM

Nataliya,
-writes:

"...What's the problem with you and cooking? In FSU all women pass the age of 15-16 know how to cook. What's so amazingly unbelievable about it? What kind of food and how they cook is another matter, but they all can and if so- then why not to mention that in the profile? ....."

-Actually, I was half joking...
But, seriously:
I would feel it was sad if a lady who is intelligent and intellectual included 'cooking' just because she thought that western men did appreciate food even though they did not appreciate art, literature, etc.
(actually, many are exactly like that!!...)

.............
Personally, my own cooking is boring, but I am not starving - cooking is not my primary reason for being here.

liam

12-27-2003, 05:13 AM

G'Day

...................and all the 15/16 year old girls here know how to shop and order a BigMac and fries or KFC http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

as for the guy with the young russian wife in Spain...........maybe thats the only way he keeps her sane. Maybe the girls from a small provincial russian town, married some foreign dude and suddenly found herself in a world she'd previously only ever seen on t.v!!!!!!!?

I've met and stayed with a whole heap of people from crap, boring, dirty, grim little towns all over eastern europe, not russia........but czech, poland, romania, bulgaria etc etc etc etc and i reckon most of them would go 100% wild if taken from that enviornment where life can be basically a boring long struggle and zapped into the the west. Where theres no need to struggle anymore cos your husband don't really need you to cook cos he's got enough to eat out all the time. Where she does'nt have to work long hours for ####-all pay . Where leisure time far exceeds nessesary work-time.

Profiles..................the girls are simply saying what they percieve a man wants to hear. And so would i if i really wanted to leave russia. ....................then i'd divorce him double-fast and start again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Liam

liam

12-27-2003, 05:20 AM

Personally i like my own cooking http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif its great fun cooking for a few friends, sitting on the deck, looking over the ocean, in the breeze, drinking cool wine, eating a great creation you made yourself.

Or like i'm doing tonight, head of down the beach, build a fire, barby some fish, drink some cold beer.............sleep out under the stars (an added bonus and points if you've a fox under your blanket http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) and just chill. Heaven

Liam

12-27-2003, 05:35 AM

Nataliya
writes:
"...On the far side of the Black Sea from Turkey lies the Crimean coast, Eastern Europe's best-kept secret....."

-Perhaps it should be a well kept secret. -Sounds far better than LA or Miami. And you do not want it spoiled...

You write so well about the places that one wonders why a female from the Former Sovjet Union would consider LA or Miami for the climate, etc.

(-And the men in LA and Miami: Just watch some of the LAPD and Miami Vice movies....)

Re.: Bears: I have always thought that the Russian Bear was brown. The white ones are the ones roaming the streets of Oslo and Stockholm.

Re.: The metaphor about 'hot sand' as something bad:
The places you mention actually sound quite good...
So, where did the saying come from?

Re.: Your post about parenting: I agree with you.
(except: In the situation you describe the husband could get a vasectomy, and the wife could still get another child if she is into 'wild behaviour' ....)

liam

12-27-2003, 05:50 AM

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Why?............cos miami-vice and LAPD are real representations of normal life in america? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif or are they simply mass-media produced fantasies in order to sell more commercial advertising time? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif this all reminds me of the infamous homer simpson inspired Duh http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

its a proven fact that over 90% of america police-officers have never once had to pull ther pistol out of its holster in the line of duty. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Liam

liam

12-27-2003, 05:53 AM

Hey Nataliya http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif I'll be in your neighbourhood in late May......can you get me the phone-number of this increasingly internet-famous exotic table dancing beauty? dunno why her husband looks bored.......i'll have a great time with her http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Liam

sean

12-27-2003, 02:02 PM

Nataliya

12-27-2003, 04:29 PM

[QUOTE= (liam @ Dec. 27 2003,08:20)]Personally i

Nataliya

12-27-2003, 04:35 PM

[QUOTE= (liam @ Dec. 27 2003,08:53)]Hey Nataliya http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Nataliya

12-27-2003, 05:17 PM

-Perhaps it should be a well kept secret. -Sounds far better than LA or Miami. And you do not want it spoiled...

You write so well about the places that one wonders why a female from the Former Sovjet Union would consider LA or Miami for the climate, etc.
Simple- economy is bad, Western tourists bring lots of money, not good to keep it a secret.

Female wouldn't consider those places just for the climate I suppose, although it would be a bonus. She'll consider them for better quality of life. What she should consider though is whom is she going to live there with? Potential future partner, and concentrate on his qualities rather then weather forecast.

Re.: The metaphor about 'hot sand' as something bad:
The places you mention actually sound quite good...
So, where did the saying come from?

I think I've already mentioned what it means. To do everything possible and impossible at any cost, but to reach desirable. It has nothing to do with the actual sand, only that walking on it is not the most pleasant thing, sometimes it burns your feet and it becomes very painful and impossible to walk. So to my understanding she was saying that not even a risk to get burnt is going to stop her from reaching her goal.

[QUOTE= ]Re.: Your post about parenting: I agree with you.
(Except: In the situation you describe the husband could get a vasectomy, and the wife could still get another child if she is into 'wild behavior

12-28-2003, 06:36 AM

sean
writes:
".....But please don

12-28-2003, 06:40 AM

liam
writes:
".....Why?............cos miami-vice and LAPD are real representations of normal life in america? ..."

No, and neither is 'Babewatch'.

12-28-2003, 07:14 AM

Nataliya
writes:
"....Female wouldn't consider those places just for the climate I suppose, although it would be a bonus. She'll consider them for better quality of life. What she should consider though is whom is she going to live there with? Potential future partner, and concentrate on his qualities rather then weather forecast....."

1) Assuming that 'those places' are LA, Miami, etc. (as mentioned in the letter you translated):
- a) many places have a similar climate - and less crime, less stress-full life, etc.
- b) quality of life is of course a matter of personal taste...

2) Yes, absolutely! The partner is far more important...

The places you mention in Ukraine will be spoiled by the western tourists and their money... (so, I should try to see them before it is too late!)

re.: the hot sand: Yes, You *did* explain the meaning. I just wondered why the expression came into the language - considering that hot sand plays a very little part in people's life in Russia... (assuming that the letter you translated was written in Russian).

................................
Pedantic foot-note:
Metaphors give a great picture of what you mean - if the audience share your background...

When you
keep your feet on the ground
keep your eyes on the ball
keep an ear to the ground
put your shoulder to the wheel
keep your nose to the grind-stone
grab the bull by the horns

you might not feel quite comfortable...

12-28-2003, 03:28 PM

Vicky,

Re. Profile, etc.

At the following site:

www.*****.com

I found:

Nataliya

12-28-2003, 10:56 PM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Dec. 28 2003,09:36)]".....But please don

12-29-2003, 02:11 PM

Nataliya
writes:
"....Do you think that female or male sex drive depends on nationality?! So funny!! Stereotypes are born because people make them all by themselves and others believe in it and pass around. Who can prove that any of them are true?? ......"

1) I was actually quoting a remark sean made to Martin.

2) Some people in UK made a film which plays on a stereotype
(about British attitude to sex).

3) Stereotypes are not 'true'. But, 'true' enough for people to recognise something. (Like in ethnic jokes).

4) Sex drive is difficult to observe. Behaviour is easier - but that includes 'culture' (whatever that is) as well.

.................
So, you think that the Swedish au-pair girl they have in some films is not a true representation?

On a totally different note - except for the topic of stereotypes - you could watch "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" - it has a few 'stabs' at nationalities, particularly the Germans...

01-02-2004, 03:08 PM

-From a Profile:

"... I also enjoy cooking. They say the way to a man is through his stomach :-)..."

-some may say that that is aiming a bit too high!

Nataliya

01-02-2004, 04:13 PM

-From a Profile:

"... I also enjoy cooking. They say the way to a man is through his stomach :-)..."

-some may say that that is aiming a bit too high!
I would change into more accurate: " The way to a Russian man's heart lay through his stomach" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Sounds stupid, I know, but that's what FSU women believe in, or their man make them believe, I find it very shallow. To find the way to his heart involves a lot more then cooking, maybe cooking should be somewhere on the bottom of the list. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

sean

01-02-2004, 09:34 PM

-perhaps there is a difference between men's perception of them (?)

...
I don't think that British, French, Italian or Colombian girls are less passionate then Slavic, it totally depends on every individual and conditions they live in. ...[/quote]
Without stressing any stereotypes I would insist in my assert. I agree that there is no mathematical rule to it but lets talk about the

MartinUK

01-02-2004, 10:20 PM

Van82,
Please, if you have a reply to make could you make an effort to make it in a single post rather than 4, 5, 6 or more. I'm sure others also find it somewhat monotonous to read Van82 x 4, 5, 6 or more before they reach another's opinion.
Nothing personal
Martin

Nataliya

01-02-2004, 10:34 PM

[QUOTE= (sean @ Jan. 03 2004,00:34)]Nataliya writes that she

01-03-2004, 03:28 PM

Nataliya

01-03-2004, 06:01 PM

Profiles....

-and how much - or little - help in writing them the agency gives??

"....At me in the house a lot of animal: cats, dogs, house birds, goats, rabbits. I have two adult daughters who would live separately. ...."

-should probably have been worded differently....

-but I fully understand why the daughters would live separately.
That's probably the "beauty" of electronic translators. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I think you only get translation help from the agency- if you pay for it, they don't do it for free, I doubt anyone would- it's a job like any other.

01-04-2004, 07:04 AM

-
".....That's probably the "beauty" of electronic translators. ....."

-I guess that one of the 'beauties' is that as long as it is translated nobody actually thinks about what written:

"....At me in the house a lot of animal: cats, dogs, house birds, goats, rabbits. I have two adult daughters who would live separately. ...."

-A human translator would - hopefully - not only have expressed the two sentences slightly differently, but would also have suggested not to place them next to each other.

(my comment was not about the English [I think I understand what is said], but about the juxtaposition of the two sentences in the Profile)

Nataliya

01-04-2004, 03:07 PM

Being a "human translator" and using a bit of imagination: "I live in the house with a lot of animals- cats, dogs, chickens, goats, rabbits. I have two adult daughters who live separately (as separately from her, they have their own houses, probably married or students in the dorm)".

I guess she's not able to afford "human translator" living with all that zoo.

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01-04-2004, 06:35 PM

Speaking of translators, been trying promt, and word's world lingo. all with no success. Can't seem to get even a single sentence to make better than jibberish from Russian to English. What gives? I have no problem with paying for translations for complex letters and such but a single word or sentence? EEEK ! For example, ÷ÏÚÍÏÖÎ&#207 ; Ñ ÉÍÅÎÎÏ ÔÁ ÅÄÉÎÓÔ×Å&# 206;ÎÁÑ, ËÏÔÏÒÕÀ ÔÙ ÉÝÅÛØ.
Any ideas? Is this the (crylic??) form that I've heard about? Is that the problem? If I translate from english to russian, it never looks anything like that. none of or very few of those wacky little symbols appear. Any help would be appriciated.
Thanks.

01-04-2004, 06:41 PM

DOH !
what gives?
what's with the #'s thing?
simple copy and paste won't work.
Am I doomed to never be able to translate even 1 sentence?
Help !

Thunderdome

01-04-2004, 07:38 PM

01-05-2004, 06:06 AM

Nataliya
writes:
".....I guess she's not able to afford "human translator" living with all that zoo......."

-I guess you are right.

-and me, being pedantic, I was not (directly) writing about translations (I thought I understood the text), I was commenting about the level of service of agencies. (And I appreciate that you get no more than you pay for [sometimes less]).
-In this case: Help with writing the profile....

A live person (e g the person translating her profile) at the agency was 'the last chance' for editing the text.

As it happened, (provided that the English text is a fair representation) she did write:

1) the house is full of animals
2) [in the *very next sentence*] my daughters have moved out

-and I expressed my understanding for the daughters...

.................................
It's a cruel world out there....
Translation is a major issue. But not the only one...

01-05-2004, 06:37 AM

Van,

a happy New Year also to U2 - but I was hoping that you would drop the translator&language issue this year. In fact I was begging Father Xmas when I saw him to do me this favor, I even offered him to swap my Spiderman-outfit (with real web-slime!) for it, and he told me he'd see to it.
But maybe you don't believe in him? Or did you grease the roof so he could not land?

Drop it pal, it is becoming boring. Or make yourself useful and develop a perfect one, or, probably much easier, start learning russian and start surfing the russian side - more direct, no loss, no interference, and attention guaranteed!

And remember, Father Xmas promised me!
Thunderdome,

1) I shall do my very best re. the translator/language issue. -But you know how it is with New Year Resolutions.

2) I have reviewed my posts from this year. I have not raised the issue per se. My point in a post 'touching on' it actually dealt with the assumption that a human (perhaps) would have done more than mechanically translating.

3) No, I did not grease the roof. I do, however, have to admit that my house has no chimney.

4) By the way: I thought that - way back - Father Christmas was a Greek immigrant (St. Nicholas - or however it is spelled, it's all Greek to me). Has he been around too many Irish? -or Poles? I have several doors and even more windows; why does he select to use the chimney?

5) Your Spiderman-outfit no less! You must be serious!

6) In what language did Santa make the promise?

................................
Back in the old (communist) days a couple in Siberia discussed whether the noise on the roof was caused by rain or hail.
He got the last word with:

"Rudolf the red knows rain, dear"

02-11-2004, 04:21 PM

Flogging a dead horse.
??

Much has been said earlier in this forum about the pitfalls of translation.
Earlier I drew attention to the fact that having a Profile translated could be a major task. But, it is not the only one. However, sometimes it seems so overwhelming that 'proof-reading' of the text for actual content is forgotten.

When 'she' wrote:

"...I have no children. I am not enthusiasric either about smoking or alkohol...."

she probably did not think that 'devious minds' (like mine) would question whether she is enthusiastic about anything at all (?)
(like the activity that is connected with getting children....)

-It's a cruel world out there! -and people twist your words!
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Thunderdome

02-11-2004, 06:45 PM

Van,

02-13-2004, 01:35 PM

Welcome back, Thunderdome.
We missed you.

1) I did not dig up any dead horses - I only said I was flogging a dead horse. -Isn't that bad enough?

2) I have discovered that most profiles mention something about "...a man without bad habits....", which could be a problem !!!!

3) However, don't take everything literally.
When I said something about flogging a dead horse, it was not meant to indicate
sadism
necrophilia
bestiality.

4) No, I am not a nurse in a maternity ward, and I am not running an orphanage either.

5) I could not run anything - not even a bath - without messing it up.

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Nataliya

02-13-2004, 02:39 PM

No, I am not a nurse in a maternity ward, and I am not running an orphanage either.

I could not run anything - not even a bath - without messing it up.

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
In that case you need a nurse yourself to run you a bath or someone to teach you to do all those things. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I have discovered that most profiles mention something about "...a man without bad habits....", which could be a problem !!!!

No problem. If you drink less then a gallon of alcohol a day- it's already an advantage. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

02-15-2004, 04:14 PM

Nataliya
writes:

".....In that case you need a nurse yourself to run you a bath or someone to teach you to do all those things. ......"

-which is why I am here....

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03-03-2004, 06:18 AM

Re. Profiles:
Some women know exactly what they want.

Quote:

"...I'll be happy when I marry a healthy, energetic, well-to-do, self-confident, loving and respectful man, who's able to satisfy me sexually, who'd be faithful in a relationship based on love, respect and full harmony....."

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Thunderdome

03-03-2004, 08:03 PM

03-04-2004, 02:15 PM

Van,

funny you mention this. You like statistics?
According to the infamous duo Gauss & Murphy any possibility will happen under a 'normal' curve, and what will be possible will also be found too.

It's for this reason that I wonder why you never come up with citate's like:
"...I'll be unhappy when I marry a sicly, lazy, poor-as-a-rat, insecure, cold and pityful man, who's incapable of satisfying me sexually, who'd be cheating in a relationship based on hate, disrespect and utter loneliness....."

Never mind what can be found above that curve....
Thunderdome,

-where did you find that quote.
-I must have overlooked that one!
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

PS If they go on setting the requirements as high as they do I might as well join the Foreign Legion.

PPS -Oops, they have some tough requirements too!
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03-10-2004, 02:58 PM

Found:

"...I would like to meet a decent man who is responsible for what he is doing ...."

-seems a reasonable request!
-but, also seems to suggest that it is not too common!

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

mary

03-12-2004, 08:26 PM

I was hanging on one dating site for a while,
nobody wrote. Feeling like you are alone in jungle.
Then I was interested how many women of my age
were hanging with me - 1200 !!! . Do you really think that
a man will read every of 1200 ads ? Humbug !
Some of them even doesn't understand English at all.
Feel at ease, nice pictures would be enough.
If he is interested, he will write you and learn others http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

03-22-2004, 04:47 PM

-found in a Profile:

"....Search For a real man!...."

-interesting to see how long that Profile stays....

(-what is 'a real man'? -and are the other women looking for un-real men?)

-are there any 'real men' left?

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03-23-2004, 02:30 PM

Found in a Profile:
".....I am practical, flexible and "low maintenance." ....."

-Unfortunately the Profile has been sitting on the site for a while...

Probably I shall be too late!

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

-And perhaps she prefers a 'real man' who brings food home by fishing and hunting??
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Thunderdome

03-23-2004, 05:47 PM

Well, if she's practical then bringing home the bacon is probably all there is to it.
That is, if you don't put all your eggs in one basket...

03-24-2004, 08:50 AM

Well, if she's practical then bringing home the bacon is probably all there is to it.
That is, if you don't put all your eggs in one basket...
My doctor will probably suggest that

Egg & Bacon

all the time

is bad for my cholesterol level.

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03-24-2004, 10:43 AM

"She" said:

"I would like to meet a well-to-do man who has good conditions for living and who likes traveling and sport. Who doesn

Nataliya

03-24-2004, 07:56 PM

but if I had good conditions for living, liked traveling, and had a good income, I would be on a luxury cruise now, not sitting here by my keyboard!
You see if she writes all those requests- she's certain what she's looking for. She probably has enough of those men (without good conditions of living, no income, smokers...) right next to her in her country. So, what is the point to look for the same kind of guy abroad?

But, hey, as far as I remember you don't smoke and if you have a computer- then not everything is so bad http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Thunderdome

03-24-2004, 08:06 PM

Van,

Dump that Doctor.
We all die but only few will have lived.

Scrooge,

happy sailing. Do keep in mind though that the best Captains are found on the shore.

03-25-2004, 02:10 PM

Van,

Dump that Doctor.
We all die but only few will have lived.
-So very true.

However, some of us are in the habit of using both belt and braces to be more sure to keep our trousers from falling down.

-And, by the way, I heard of an Irish man of similar nervous temperament who used two condoms - "to be sure, to be sure"...

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Thunderdome

03-25-2004, 04:11 PM

That's the same guy who also uses some cotton-wool for plugging his nose.
He can't stand the smell of burnt rubber http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Nataliya

03-25-2004, 04:43 PM

I can see why Mary was around (pity it was just a quick fix), I can also see why she has left. Guys, aren't you bored from your own postings http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

03-25-2004, 05:56 PM

I can see why Mary was around (pity it was just a quick fix), I can also see why she has left. Guys, aren't you bored from your own postings http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Yes.

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

-but, if one is born a donkey (that's 'ass' to the British), one cannot be a racehorse!
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Thunderdome

03-25-2004, 06:07 PM

Thunderdome

03-25-2004, 06:13 PM

Bored?http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Me?
Never!
Did I tell you I've got exactly 23 flies in the whole house?

03-25-2004, 06:23 PM

Something tells me you don't like the Irish...
I'm fond of them, they make excellent coffee, however with a twist: they pour some Scottish in it and call it their own! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Actually, I have nothing against the Irish.

Generally, they are very much alive.
(which I certainly admire)

To be sure....

Apart from the coffe they also drink green beer.

A young girl sad in her evening prayer:
"Lord, have Murphy on me"

A young man gave his fiancee a fake diamond ring on St Patrick's Day. He said it was appropriate - it was a sham rock.

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03-26-2004, 02:04 PM

I can see why Mary was around (pity it was just a quick fix), I can also see why she has left. Guys, aren't you bored from your own postings http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Bored.

Here I tried all sorts of mind games and other sorts of tricks to forget my dentist, and then you go and remind me.

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

03-26-2004, 02:17 PM

I have been naughty.
I have done some 'database exercises' on some of the sites, testing their search engines, etc.

(-and if women do object to be seen as 'sex objects' they probably do not like to be used as 'objects' in a totally 'a-sexual' database exercise.....)

-And that's when I found 'the competition' - a 48 year old male who for some strange reasons had his profile posted among the females. -But, perhaps he is not 'typical' ?

I sat up, pulled my stomach in, tried to look intelligent, and started to speculate about how other people see me...!!!!

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mary

03-26-2004, 05:46 PM

Do keep in mind though that the best Captains are found on the shore.
The best captains have hard anchors and they are lying on the Marines' bottom .

mary

03-26-2004, 05:57 PM

I can also see why she has left.
I don't know what you see.

I see that I'm very busy now with advertisment of your site in Moldova. I'm convincing all my acquaintances to enter this forum. And checking if someone of them is here... One of them said to me recently that english language here is not easy...

Thunderdome ,

Thunderdome

03-26-2004, 09:13 PM

Mary,

I won't call the relation between a hard anchor and a bottom 'best', never mind what the captain says, not even when his name is Morgan.

03-27-2004, 01:53 PM

Ich weiss nicht was soll es bedeuten...

03-27-2004, 03:02 PM

'She' says

"...clever, kind, understanding women logic, honest,...."

-with all due respect:
If I am to be honest, I must admit that I do not understand women logic...

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Thunderdome

03-27-2004, 05:24 PM

Van,

Ich glaube kaum das war meine Absicht.

Aber, wenn wir immerhin dabei sind, mache dies mal weiter:

- Einmal rein, einmal raus,
- . . . . . . .

Na, wird's schon?? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

03-29-2004, 04:50 PM

Perhaps I have read too much Dr Freud ?

There are profiles with pictures where the women are holding flowers or are next to flowers.

"Nice flowers" I would think...

There are profiles where women are photographed with a cat....

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03-30-2004, 02:03 PM

I have been at it again. Reading Profiles, that is..

One was not much of a match.

However, I *am* between 18 and 99....

(did she really mean that?)
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03-30-2004, 06:38 PM

Why do you see so many women hugging trees in there pictures. Why do they hug trees?

03-31-2004, 05:30 PM

mary

03-31-2004, 08:22 PM

04-01-2004, 03:01 PM

Many women submit pictures where they are wearing short dresses because they have beautiful legs.
In this way a girl can be apparent to the naked eye http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I never bring magnifying glass or microscope to a date.
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04-01-2004, 03:36 PM

I have jus seen the pictures on TV from Faluja (Iraq) where a local mob killed some westeners and hacked the bodies to pieces while they laughed.

I fully understand why women from places in the FSU, where they have seen Muslims, specify in their profiles 'Not a Muslim'

04-03-2004, 04:12 PM

Why do you see so many women hugging trees in there pictures. Why do they hug trees?
You are right.
There is some tree-hugging. And, no, I don't know why.

There is also several examples of pictures of women sitting on the floor. Again, I don't know why.

And, if all the teachers find partners, there will be a severe shortage of teachers.

Profile-reading can make the mind wander....
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PS
Actors are warned against working with children or animals.
Perhaps trees are 'safe' - being more 'predictable' (?)
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Thunderdome

04-03-2004, 10:43 PM

Van,

tree-hugging and sitting on a floor (re-check the photo's again) have one thing in common - they love wood http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Very predicktable at that http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

liam

04-04-2004, 08:25 AM

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I hope so i'll be there in six weeks http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Liam

04-07-2004, 06:39 PM

Found in a Profile:
"....
I hope to find such man and if it take place, I'll go after him somewhere.
...."

-actually, the women rarely directly say that they are willing to re-locate.
I just took it for granted...
-until somebody said it
-then I started to speculate about the others...

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04-07-2004, 07:01 PM

Will she respect me in the morning?

-or at any other time

if she gives up a good job to join me, and I cannot give her the living standard she is used to?
?
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04-12-2004, 05:35 PM

-Just seen some Profiles...

Nice faces ...

-and big (and probably expensive) fur coats....

-no indication about what was under the fur coats...

(some of the coats seemed big enough for a sumo wrestler...?)

?

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mary

04-12-2004, 07:52 PM

04-15-2004, 05:50 AM

04-15-2004, 05:57 AM

I look at HIS picture. HE sent me the two of HIS.
no indication if he is a man.... http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Is your type perhaps more like

Conan the Barbarian?
(as in the movie...)
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Nataliya

04-15-2004, 02:36 PM

Profile reading can be bad for your ego!

"She" writes (in another site):

"... I would like to meet a romantic, livable, communicative, loyal, honest, sincere, with good sense of humor, active, cheerful, experienced, practical, energetic, homebody, careful, caring, tactful, reliable, brave, friendly, smart, serious, sportive, natural, obedient, kind, patient and interesting man....."

I took a good hard look at myself..

-then sat down in a corner and cried....

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Van,

What is SHE like? Angelina Jolie twin with excellent command of English and a few more languages, IQ 140 and over, at home- cross between Martha Stewart and Pamela Anderson??! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif If not- then don't cry, she has no idea what she is talking about, just a number of words from the dictionary some contradicting the others http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

04-15-2004, 05:53 PM

Nataliya,

Thanks for your kind words.

-but when my X compared me with Tarzan she said I came in a very, very poor second.

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Nataliya

04-15-2004, 06:16 PM

Nataliya,

Thanks for your kind words.

-but when my X compared me with Tarzan she said I came in a very, very poor second.

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Tarzan is always a very good idea in any second and state he comes http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Thunderdome

04-17-2004, 07:24 PM

Second??
Yo, Speedy Gonzalez is slow compared to this http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

State??
That Jungle I believe was not devided in State's, but they might have plowed the lot since and called it America http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Comes??
I don't think for a second he comes the state he's in now, he needs eh, what's her name again?
Something inseperable, like Barbie comes with Ken, that kind of thing.
Ah, Jane, yes, how could I forget http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

04-17-2004, 09:29 PM

I saw this profile up at freepersonals.ru and a question came to mind.

Nataliya

04-18-2004, 12:18 AM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ April 18 2004,00:29)]I saw this profile up at freepersonals.ru and a question came to mind.

mary

04-18-2004, 06:46 AM

"...once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister was reading, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, 'and what is the use of a book',thought Alice, 'without pictures or conversation?' I agree with Alice completely.

Now your site has no only conversation, but nice pictures as well. Very nice. I'm sure, this girl naked would look worse than in this way. Yeah. I'm sure.

By the way who can help me to find any article on subject 'The Epoche of the Renaissance in English Literature' ?
May be somebody knows any links in net ? I must prepare a report by next Friday and cannot find anyhing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Nataliya

04-18-2004, 04:14 PM

[QUOTE= (mary @ April 18 2004,09:46)]By the way who can help me to find any article on subject 'The Epoche of the Renaissance in English Literature' ?
May be somebody knows any links in net ? I must prepare a report by next Friday and cannot

04-19-2004, 04:01 AM

BTW where I live- girls start wearing small "revealing" tops and bikinis as of right now from this moment until November, since it's very hot. It doesn't mean they are all promiscuous, more like "weather requirement" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif What do you say?!
Nataliya, where is this place where the women go around in revealing tops and bikinis?

I just thought that russian women were, well ...., more refined in their dress and covered up more.

04-19-2004, 07:17 AM

Many women submit pictures where they are wearing short dresses because they have beautiful legs.

And many women submit pictures where they are wearing low-cut dresses....

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MadMax
writes
"...
I saw this profile up at freepersonals.ru and a question came to mind. Should one write a lady who is so revealing in her picture in her profile? What do you say?......"

On the other hand, MadMax, you will find pictures where the women are wearing big fur-coats.....

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