She tells you she needs money. You:

[Vicky]

If after a few letters she writes you she needs money, what will you do? Just curious http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[liam]

i'd tell her that i'd used detective agency who'd traced her home address.....................
And that pretty soon some big scary men are gonna be visiting her (time to hand over the children to the grandparents for a few days http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif )

Tony Soprano http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kindofcute]

Okay, call me stupid. I have helped I think three women how and they all have turned out to be just scamrs. So now I would like to do like what was written before. Send a couple of big men to stop someone from taking from anther.

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[Tom]

It's simple...
I don't loan money to strangers. No matter who they are or where they are from. And if you have only written a few letters, and have known them only a few weeks, then they are classified as a stranger (as far as I am concerned.)

[angelin]

And it is possible to me to set to you a question? If Vicky or Katya will ask you about money? You will send by him? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Vicky]

Good question, angelin http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Do you think we should open a fund? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[liam]

the two russian foxes you mentioned angelin are'nt scammers http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


or are they?

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[Vicky]

who knows http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
foxes are cunning, aren't they http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[liam]

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[angelin]

[QUOTE= (liam @ Aug. 05 2003,00:45)]the two russian foxes you mentioned angelin are'nt scammers

[liam]

to be honest i don't know angelin http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif but with life and death stuff, i'd try.

would you help me in a reverse situation? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif liam

[bat_guano]

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif The first thing is to be wary. If after a couple of emails she tells you that she is madly in love with you...WATCH IT! The next letter (or maybe two) will start asking for money.

The best thing you can do when the "I need money" letters start coming is to string her along and get as much information as you can for the Scammers Lists. Get as many pictures as you can. Get an address if you can. Get a phone number. Remember, the more information you get, the more help you will be to others.

You may never be sure who is or who isn't scammer.

Guys can be as scammers as the girls.

[liam]

i'd be fully suprised if i ever got scammed (mind you i haven't written to any russian-babes http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif ........i'll just see how it goes next year in mother-russia myself http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif )

but nataliya's right, i'd be suprised if even 20% of men who do write and form internet relationships with girls overseas actually go and visit there girl. so, the men are just as bad i'd say, offering hope affection desire whatever and not even having the nerve to travel and 'see it through'.........i think it was the young and tasty katya who once said that many men just want to collect pictures of pretty girls and like the idea of having that option available.

i know a few guys who say that they'll just "f#@k about' living a cool bachelor life and then when they get into there forties they'll go find an asian or russian bride, half there age. i guess the truely sad side of that is that it'll probably work http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
cheers, liam

[bat_guano]

I think both Liam and Nataliya are right. I think there are a lot of American guys who become enamored with the idea of a foreign and "strange" woman. They begin relationships with the best intentions and then when they get involved, they decide it will be too much money to visit...or they become involved with an American woman...or they get scammed...or they just become disenchanted with the whole thing and stop writing.

Here's a hint for Russian ladies: Americans in general are used to a "fast food" lifestyle. They want things NOW. The thought that it may take a year (or years) to cultivate a relationship is just too long to them. So be prepared for a great percentage of American men to "dump out" of a relationship after 5 or 6 letters. If you notice the letters getting fewer and the letters themselves getting much shorter in length...he's probably ready to bail out.

So just as there are a great number of scammers out there, there are many, many men that aren't in this for the long haul.

[angelin]

It is impossible to judge people only on their nationality. So it is possible to tell:
Englishmen - prudish and haughty
The Frenchmen - ladies' men
Germans - prudent and punctual.
Italians - quick-tempered

Okay so I have had bad luck so far. I have helped a couple of women from russia with some money and last year I went over to meet someone and she didn't even show up. So tell me my fine women friends how do I make a better choice. Yes, I have learned that when women start to tell you they are in love with you after a couple of letters it could be a scam, but when it came to the women I went to meet in Moscow appeared to be upfront and honest. Her letters weren't anything but normal. So now I have spent I would say around 5000 dollars to find a nice russian wife and I am out all this money and keep going over time after time, because the money will run out. Nevertheless, I haven't given up http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THIS MY FRIENDS http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Kindofcute

-I'd say, you are unbelievable generous and "kind of cute" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
And looks like easy to take an advantage of. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

-I'd say internet is a "tricky world" and it's very corrupted

-I'd say I admire your wish to carry on after all you've been through

AND

-I'd like to ask what happened to the good old fashioned way
of finding a woman of your dream, why not look around and why do you want Russian wife anyway?

[bat_guano]

Nataliya,
Why do we look to Russia for wives or women? That's an easy question to answer!
Women in the USA do not know what they want. Either they want a career...or a baby...or a husband...or a career and a babay and no husband...or they want a husband and two or three lovers and a baby and a condo in Boca Raton...or they want...want...want. Or they want all of the above or they waffle between all of the above. It is simply maddening to try to figure out what an American woman wants from one minute to the next. And completely forget about pleasing them...it is not going to happen. Do you know why there are so many fat people here? It's because women are so frustrated that they aren't rich and beautiful and popular and have an amazingly successful career. So they stifle their frustrations with food. Men are just sick and tired of trying to be happy or content with American women and working way too hard to make money and are stuffing their mouths to stifle their frustrations.
Russian women know what they want and they want the simple things that American women have all but forgotten about. Love, romance, a family, a husband who won't cheat on them and won't beat them up. They want to live a normal life. This is something I can appreciate...and that's why I am looking at Russian women in hope of finding someone for me.

[bat_guano]

Kindofcute,
Yes, you've had some bad luck before. But so have I. You must keep on trying. Never give up. Let the dissapointments of the past be the guide for your future. If you a given a lemon...make lemonaide! In the future when you go to meet someone in Moscow, plan for tours of sights or something. So if she doesn't show up, you have an alternitive plan and you can still enjoy (somewhat) your vacation.
But whatever you do and where ever you go, don't give up! The English have a saying..."Stiff upper lip!" So set your sights on the horizon...and never look over your shoulder.

[QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 07 2003,18:59)]Nataliya,

[Ronnie]

There are a few cunning vixens around as well, and one should never assume! Anyway.....

this site, given the content in the forums, which is hardly 'Dating Talk',though the opportunity is there, seems to be predominantly evolving into a support network, providing insight, and guidance to all around the world, who desire true friendship, love and happiness.
I love it!
Ronnie http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
P.S. or have I just been scammed ?

[QUOTE= (Ronnie @ Aug. 08 2003,01:21)]There are a few cunning vixens around as well, and one should never assume!

[Ronnie]

'You' didn't say No!!!!!!

[Ronnie]

Ok, but be sensitive!!!!!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Ronnie]

Keep Smiling, Lots of Love, and good Things To You!!!!
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Keep Smiling, Lots of Love, and good Things To You!!!!
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Sorry Ronnie,

Were you talking to me? If so, I don't get it, do I know you? Or maybe my English is not good enough? Could be something wrong with my sence of humour too. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

BTW- no problem with smiling.

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[angelin]

You have completely wrong representation about Russian women. And about Russian men too:) That the woman wants, the woman knows only:)
I smiled when read, how you have written *a husband who will not cheat on them and will not beat them up.* you think it a limit of dreams the Russian woman?http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Well, you know, that you want from the woman. And what you can offer it in exchange?
(I do not speak about a material prosperity).

[Ronnie]

Dear Nataliya, Please do not be offended by my comments. I regard you as one of the most helpful people on the site. I also think your English is excellent (however it isn't Scottish) and you have a healthy sense of humour. When I say keep smiling, I mean for you to keep feeling good and happy inside and share this with the world around you, through your smile!!!!!
I hope you are getting to know me, http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
So once again, Lots of Love and keep smiling.......I wish for you to keep feeling happy!!!!!

[bat_guano]

Nataliya,
Yes, I do understand that a woman will change when moving from one culture to another. I accept that. And I would never, never stand in the way of that change. That change is what makes her who she is. I'm just saying (as a rash generality) that American women just don't know what they want. American society pulls them one way and their hormones pull them another and they don't know what to choose. They don't know what they want. Further...they don't know what's truly important in life.

What's truly important in life is family...and American women have all but forgotten that. Family comes first. Our children are more important than anything. She and our children come before my work. Our children and me come before her work. Our family is more important than anything on this planet. I understand this, and so should she.

Now, would I stand in the way of a Russian woman wanting to persue her career? Absolutely not! I would support her any way I could. Let's say she is an accountantand when I bring her here she wants to continue to be an accountant. That's fine by me. I would never try to stop her...but only under one condition. That being an accountant and working is what she truly WANTS to do.

Just a couple of thoughts....

[bat_guano]

Angelin,
I am only speaking from what I see in the profiles of the Russian ladies I have looked at (and that is a great number of profiles). I see words like "Faithful", "Loyal" and "Kind" over and over again. I know that Russian men also have a very different view of women than we do. I know for a fact that there are so many more things that Russian women want in a man than just "not cheat on them and beat them up". I am just finding out now (by writing a Russian lady) some of the other things Russian women enjoy and respect in a man.

What can I offer as a man? Tenderness when it is needed. Strength when it is called for. Determination, love, devotion and honesty (except when I forget her birthday!) http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I will not cheat on her with another woman. I will not decieve her with drugs and alcohol. I will work my very hardest to provide for her. When our family calls for a leader, I will lead and when it calls for a follower, I will follow...and I will know the difference.

What are your thoughts?

[bat_guano]

Angelin,
I am only speaking from what I see in the profiles of the Russian ladies I have looked at (and that is a great number of profiles). I see words like "Faithful", "Loyal" and "Kind" over and over again. I know that Russian men also have a very different view of women than we do. I know for a fact that there are so many more things that Russian women want in a man than just "not cheat on them and beat them up". I am just finding out now (by writing a Russian lady) some of the other things Russian women enjoy and respect in a man.

What can I offer as a man? Tenderness when it is needed. Strength when it is called for. Determination, love, devotion and honesty (except when I forget her birthday!) http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I will not cheat on her with another woman. I will not decieve her with drugs and alcohol. I will work my very hardest to provide for her. When our family calls for a leader, I will lead and when it calls for a follower, I will follow...and I will know the difference.

What are your thoughts?

[bat_guano]

Angelin,
I am only speaking from what I see in the profiles of the Russian ladies I have looked at (and that is a great number of profiles). I see words like "Faithful", "Loyal" and "Kind" over and over again. I know that Russian men also have a very different view of women than we do. I know for a fact that there are so many more things that Russian women want in a man than just "not cheat on them and beat them up". I am just finding out now (by writing a Russian lady) some of the other things Russian women enjoy and respect in a man.

What can I offer as a man? Tenderness when it is needed. Strength when it is called for. Determination, love, devotion and honesty (except when I forget her birthday!) http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I will not cheat on her with another woman. I will not decieve her with drugs and alcohol. I will work my very hardest to provide for her. When our family calls for a leader, I will lead and when it calls for a follower, I will follow...and I will know the difference.

What are your thoughts?

[QUOTE= (Ronnie @ Aug. 08 2003,15:20)]Dear Nataliya, Please do not be offended by my comments. I regard you as one of the most helpful people on the site. I also think your English is excellent (however it isn't Scottish) and you have a healthy sense of humour. When I say keep smiling, I mean for you to keep feeling good and happy inside and share this with the world around you, through your smile!!!!!
I hope you are getting to know me,

[QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 08 2003,18:53)]Nataliya,

[bat_guano]

Nataliya,
Oh, I DO have a lot of women lined up outside my door. I have to beat them away with a stick so I can go to work each day! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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No, just joking!

To tell the truth, one thing or another has kept me from really looking for a good woman. Too many women I call "users". They use you...and they use your money...until you have no more and then they go to the next man. There are many, many women like that here. For a long while it gave me a bad attitude about women, but now I am ready to move on with my life. Hopefully, with a Russian wife...and maybe with the one I am writing now. Who knows?

[angelin]

[QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 08 2003,19:13)]

[QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 09 2003,18:50)]Nataliya,

[QUOTE= (angelin @ Aug. 09 2003,20:49)][QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 08 2003,19:13)]

[liam]

and the Nobel prize for international relations and world peace is awarded to the honourable Angelin

well-done young lady http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif liam

[bat_guano]

Angelin and Nataliya have said the one thing that I left out. And I think most of us guys leave out. Understanding. I left it out because it was a "given" for me. If I couldn't cope with and understand her quirks, wants, desires, actions and thoughts, then I shouldn't be looking for any woman to be my wife. I should look for a robot or something.

But you are both right in thinking that maybe understanding is a very important (or maybe THE most important) thing a man can do for a woman. Especially if that woman is moving from one culture to another...and those cultures are (and were) so radically different from each other. The governments of the USA and the USSR hated and mistrusted each other for so very long. From a very young age, we were taught to mistrust the Russian people, but I never did. I don't know why. The people of the USSR always fascinated me. They seemed at one turn very stoic and at the next very emotional. I always thought Nakita Kruschev and Leonid Breshnev were intresting and complex people. But I certainly did not hate them. I can't really hate or mistrust anyone I don't know...with the possible exception of madmen who mass murder their populace (like Idi Amin Dada or Pol Pot).

I also think there is one very key element you both may have taken for granted along with understanding. That is: patience. I takes a world of patience to understand another person no matter where they are from. That's one thing I guess I was blessed with...a huge amount of patience. If you both keep reading my posts throughout these boards, you will notice one thing about me. Patience.

So all you guys (and girls) out there...when you think everything is hopeless with your relationships...just sit back and pray a little prayer. Say out loud, "God, give me patience...and give it to me NOW!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[angelin]

Greetings bat_guano! Patience? You have forced me to smile:) Certainly, patience, very important. But I do not understand one, what for to build from the very beginning of the relation, based on patience. If you feel not so comfortably, it is better to stop relations, and to try to find the person with whom it will be easy. Which you understand, which understands you. Also it is not necessary to ask the God: God, give me patience... and give it to me NOW!!!!
It is better to ask - the God, give me the true love, and let we shall be happy http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Vicky]

Patience is something all of us need, and better tons of patience. True love, angelin, well, sounds fascinating, but what will you do when the one you love with you true love start doing something you don't like very much? Ok, you will ask him what happened, you will try to calm him down, you will be soft and tender - isn't he the only one and true - but will you be able to do all that having no patience? The answer is "no", i assure you. One should not ever start any relation if God deprived him of that very important feature. Having patience when it aches, being patient when it hurts, all for the sake of happiness, especially if it's true love.
Sorry, angelin, for repeating those "true love" words all the time, it's not that i'm a complete pessimist and dont like them, just this combination is a catchword.

[liam]

oh no!!!!!!, the god-squad have arrived http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

please sit down, have a big glass of milk and swallow 150 valium tablets (send me your address and i'll post them to you http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif )

[liam]

Patience is of course a decent virtue to have but not the most important. Angelins right. Theres not a lot of point in patiently waiting for some-one or thing to come along, get better, change, whatever. You fully risk becoming a door-mat to someone and appearing like some desperate saddo who'll put up with anything in order to acheive that mythical status vicky refers to as true love.
You need to be pro-active, go-getting, adventurous and willing to take risks to really achieve in this world. Unless your daddy's some sorta millionaire who'll gently lead you through your life you need to stand up, get stuck-in and maybe then you'll achieve your desired goals, whatever they may be.
God won't help, just ask the starving children in africa.
liam

[Vicky]

"true love" is not my finding, liam http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
and i still think that out of these two - patience and true love - i'd choose patience since this is something i know, let me say and seem a destroyer of every sweet dream - true love is myth indeed, noone knows what love is, and we're talking about true love here http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[bat_guano]

Liam,
"God give me patience...NOW" was a joke. I'm not sure, but I believe the 2 "smiley faces" after that line is the clue. And no, God won't help the starving people of Africa...that's the job of people and governments. And don't get me started talking bad about our government. I can talk bad about our government for hours and hours and hours without taking a breath! But, alas, this board is for dating talk, so here goes.

Yes, there IS such a thing as "true love". I fully believe that or I wouldn't be here...I wouldn't be writing (what appears to be) a wonderful woman. I fully believe that for every man there is a woman with whom he can spend the rest of his life. I believe the same is true for every woman. I fully believe that if you search hard enough and long enough you will find that woman. Call me a "dreamer". Call me a "hopeless romantic". That's just me.

[angelin]

To suffer it is possible for the sake of what - that and for the sake of whom - that. But to begin relations with patience does not cost. What for? If you suffer, it not love. This slavery. Also that the most terrible - voluntary slavery. The person needs to be respected, and to try to understand, why he so acts.

[Nataliya]

Patience is something all of us need, and better tons of patience. True love, angelin, well, sounds fascinating, but what will you do when the one you love with you true love start doing something you don't like very much? Ok, you will ask him what happened, you will try to calm him down, you will be soft and tender - isn't he the only one and true - but will you be able to do all that having no patience? The answer is "no", i assure you. One should not ever start any relation if God deprived him of that very important feature. Having patience when it aches, being patient when it hurts, all for the sake of happiness, especially if it's true love.
Sorry, angelin, for repeating those "true love" words all the time, it's not that i'm a complete pessimist and dont like them, just this combination is a catchword.
Ooops, that's where the fun begins.

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Aug. 08 2003,00:55)][QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 07 2003,18:59)]Nataliya,

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Aug. 12 2003,23:41)][QUOTE= (Guest @ Aug. 08 2003,00:55)][QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 07 2003,18:59)]Nataliya,

[Vicky]

[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Aug. 11 2003,23:49)]Patience is something all of us need, and better tons of patience. True love, angelin, well, sounds fascinating, but what will you do when the one you love with you true love start doing something you don't like very much? Ok, you will ask him what happened, you will try to calm him down, you will be soft and tender - isn't he the only one and true - but will you be able to do all that having no patience? The answer is "no", i assure you. One should not ever start any relation if God deprived him of that very important feature. Having patience when it aches, being patient when it hurts, all for the sake of happiness, especially if it's true love.
Sorry, angelin, for repeating those "true love" words all the time, it's not that i'm a complete pessimist and dont like them, just this combination is a catchword.
Ooops, that's where the fun begins.

[liam]

vickies a member of the spb god-squad http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif , i learnt that reading between the lines http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif liam

[liam]

Anyway, back to the original subject. Giving your money away to russian girls you meet on the internet simply seems silly. I can't believe that so many men fall for what seems to be some of the most see-through con tricks on earth. I don't blame the girls either, if i was in there situation i'd probably do the same http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif , show a nice pair of legs, profess a keen desire for 'home coziness' and tell some loop my mums in hospital and hey presto!, a couple of hundred bucks arrive. Seems like the easiest job on earth to me.

not sure how i look in a short skirt though http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif liam

[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Aug. 11 2003,23:49)]Patience is something all of us need, and better tons of patience. True love, angelin, well, sounds fascinating, but what will you do when the one you love with you true love start doing something you don't like very much? Ok, you will ask him what happened, you will try to calm him down, you will be soft and tender - isn't he the only one and true - but will you be able to do all that having no patience? The answer is "no", i assure you. One should not ever start any relation if God deprived him of that very important feature. Having patience when it aches, being patient when it hurts, all for the sake of happiness, especially if it's true love.
Sorry, angelin, for repeating those "true love" words all the time, it's not that i'm a complete pessimist and dont like them, just this combination is a catchword.
Ooops, that's where the fun begins.

Tons of patience?!! What if he starts doing something you don't like?! Than you face him and tell him what you don't like and why and than you both going to deal with it, like adults. He is looking for a wife, not a mother. Let me get it straight- he did smth wrong- and you are going to be soft and tender and calm him down??!! Sounds to me like when you've got one cheek slapped- give another. Is that "true love"? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

How about instead you use COMPROMISE? That's an important feature. Since we all sometimes do things that our partners wouldn't like for certain reason- it would be wise to find that "happy middle" where you can both be comfortable.

And God or whoever, doesn't give or deprive you of features- you get them yourself as you live. If you going to sit and wait for the God to bless you with patience- belive me, you might end up waiting forever...
Here's where the fun continues

Nice to see you guys locking the first door and feeling safe without ever noticing your backdoor is slapped open http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Mention God - and you're called religios maniac
Mention patience - and you're called masochist
Mention true love - you're called a dreamer
In communication as well as in any relationship there are frontdoors and backdoors. Quick judgement is a nice thing when you don't really care about the person, but reading between the lines is an art, besides this is another direction you can apply your tons of patience to

Patience for lost? It that - that new. The patience and tolerance to other people are necessary more likely for gained. Though, Natasha, anybody never knows, he concerns to what category. Sometimes the person thinks: About, I have reached that I wanted. But actually all in another way.
And to try to read between lines.. Sometimes the most important information is only there:))))) Only not all this see. But it can and it is good:))))))
Yes about democracy. It is certainly good democracy. But democracy and a market(din ) is little bit different things.
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[QUOTE= (Guest @ Aug. 14 2003,10:04)]
Patience for lost? It that - that new. The patience and tolerance to other people are necessary more likely for gained. Though, Natasha, anybody never knows, he concerns to what category. Sometimes the person thinks: About, I have reached that I wanted. But actually all in another way.
And to try to read between lines.. Sometimes the most important information is only there:))))) Only not all this see. But it can and it is good:))))))
Yes about democracy. It is certainly good democracy. But democracy and a market(din ) is little bit different things.
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[liam]

if you don't ask you don't get http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .............Many people , men and women complain that people in there lives, romantic or otherwise 'don't understand me..... http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif , theres where reading between the lines is silly, just be obvious and true and then everyones on equal ground.....no-misunderstanding and as nataliya says, plenty of time for romance and passion

...................and thats never a bad thing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif liam

[Vicky]

Calling a spade a spade, Nataliya? Good luck with this http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Patience and losers, wow, that's totally a new conception for me, though i admit i might have not read between your lines to get a clear understanding (but didn't you just tell that reading between the lines is something we must escape by all means? ) Cause a common concept of patience has nothing to do with your revelations about sitting and waiting.

liam,

a person who is a book opened and read through can hardly get a lifetime interest. It's pretty boring to me to know everything about the person, to know every other time what he wants and what he gonna do the very next moment. Relations become more or less automatic, but bless my soul sooooo easy http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Isn't that what we all are loking for - to hell with mysteries and misunderstandings, i want to have things nice and clear. Period. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Aug. 18 2003,17:11)]Calling a spade a spade, Nataliya? Good luck with this

Patience and losers, wow, that's totally a new conception for me, though i admit i might have not read between your lines to get a clear understanding (but didn't you just tell that reading between the lines is something we must escape by all means? ) Cause a common concept of patience has nothing to do with your revelations about sitting and waiting.

liam,

a person who is a book opened and read through can hardly get a lifetime interest. It's pretty boring to me to know everything about the person, to know every other time what he wants and what he gonna do the very next moment. Relations become more or less automatic, but bless my soul sooooo easy

[Serge]

If you want your life simple and uncomplicated maybe you have to get yourself some "bush woman, butt naked on zebra with the bone through her nose"
OMG I think Im in love!!!!!

[Nataliya]

If you want your life simple and uncomplicated maybe you have to get yourself some "bush woman, butt naked on zebra with the bone through her nose"
OMG I think Im in love!!!!!
Hey,

Spoken too soon, wonna hear the rest of the story?!! LOL You'll fall out of love in no time!!

[Serge]

"LOVE"http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif What does love have to do with this. In the beginning love is the product of our brain being flooded by chemichals that create a sence of euphoria, but after a few years the "release" diminishes and then what has become of our "love". Love in the end becomes a decision. It becomes a behavior that we choose to show one another for many reasons other for the sake of love.

[Nataliya]

"LOVE"http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif What does love have to do with this. In the beginning love is the product of our brain being flooded by chemichals that create a sence of euphoria, but after a few years the "release" diminishes and then what has become of our "love". Love in the end becomes a decision. It becomes a behavior that we choose to show one another for many reasons other for the sake of love.
That was a joke reffered to the quote above. Nothing to do with the real feeling and maybe not for this time in the morning! LOL

[extremely_dangerous]

"LOVE"http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif What does love have to do with this. In the beginning love is the product of our brain being flooded by chemichals .....
I think that you are describing "passion": euphoria stated triggered by endorphins inside our brain, that distorces the perception of reality.. well... you know...

The passion must end in some short period of time... if now we will do noting but keep in passion... The evolution theory states that passion must end in order for us to do other things like working...

But... for sure is an amazing experience...

Sergio

[Nataliya]

Hi Sergio,

Who said that passion only last for the shot period of time and after it must end?! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[bat_guano]

...and you know something? There IS that person for you that causes you to breathe a little faster, feel a little fainter and makes you feel all warm inside every single time you see them. After many years, there CAN be that special person that makes you tingle all over. All you have to do is find them......... http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Bat

[Nataliya]

Bat,

I'm totally with you on this one!! That's something you don't want to miss or forget, even less- to trade for "work"! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I'll never agree that it's just a moment of passion, little amazing experience?!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[bat_guano]

Nataliya...
I can only hope and wish....

Bat

[Nataliya]

...or you can keep believing in it, find that special someone and live together looooong life of passion ever after!!!!!!!!!

[extremely_dangerous]

Hello all...

The words I posted, is not my conclusions, they are from recent research from some antropologists that try to explain the behavious of humans in relationships...

For me personally I prefer to explain the human behavior based on the evolution theory, that states that one behavior is dominant over another by the simple reason that the "enviroment" makes that better behavior produces more descendent than another..

By studying the chimp or the natives from Xingu (Amazon forest) and the way they construct societies and create rules on those societies...National Geographic....

But you are right me too whants to live forever by the side of a girl/woman... the same way my parents did...

Sergio