I need some advice

[bat_guano]

Wow. Am I ever depressed. Do you all remember that I spoke of a woman I was writing and had very high hopes for? Well, it turns out she may be a scammer and I really do need your advice. I need to know what you all think about this lady and what I should do. I need to know if I should just go ahead and post her to the blacklists...or what?

Let me give you some background on her. She sent me some emails that were not form letters...we got past that stage...and even until now, all the letters have a very personal touch.

She has asked for money (a small amount) and her letters are getting shorter. I will post the pertinant parts so you can judge and help me out.

1st letter asking for money:

Jim,I need to tell you about my trouble,you know that i'm wrirting letters to you from the internet cafe and I use here the help of the translator.I need to pay for this and today the manager of the internet cafe came to me and said that I nmeeed to pay the debt for the transaltion in some days,otherwize I won't be allowed to talk with you any more,Dear,this wil be a tragedy for me,my problem is that I don't have mmoney now at all,my mother was ill and I spent all the money on the pills and good food.I don't know what to do i;m in despair,the debt is 67$,that is 3$ for the transaltion of each letter and plus for the hours internet.Jim,I don't know what to do,I need to talk with you and if I won't pay I won;t be able to do this.
so again we have the whole week to enjoy our letters to each other,we lived this weekedn,that is so sad for me woithout your letters and now we can talk again,thnak you so much for each your lerter,you brighten my life with your words,Jim.I;ll be waiting for youyr nice letter with impatience,Dear

I told her that if she would send me the name of the internet cafe along with it's address and phone number, I would pay through PayPal. This was obviously a ruse to see if she could come up with some details.
Here is the 2nd letter (today)

Hello Dear Jim

Thank you so much for the nice letter from you,I lied it so much as all your letters,Dear.Sorry,my letter won't be very long,you knoew about my debt and the manager warned me not to write a long letter before i;ll pay that debt.so I see,Jim,that you had real problems with your computer,you are lucky to have nice anti virus programe and you repaired verything,I hope that this won';t repeat any more.
As for the movie,yes,that I saw was K-19 and yes,Harrison Ford was the caption iof the submarine there.I liked that movie sio much,it shows really the courage of the Soviet people.so I see that we have a lot in common and in particul;ar we are fond of movies so much,so I hope that soon we'll watch them together and dicuss,this is so interesting.Jim,I also heard about ''The Lord Of Rings:Two Towers'',I hope that soon i;ll have a chance to watch it.This is screened by Tolkien,I read his books and to watch the screen virsion is even more interesting.
Yestarday in the evening Natasha and I went to the park to walk a bit and we talked about everything,that was so nice to remember our old times!
Jim,thnak you so much for your wish to help me,you are so kind to me,without you I don't know what to do.Dear,you asked me to give you the name and the adress of the internet cafe,so the adress is Luhansk,Sovetskaya 61.And it doesn't have any name,this is just a little internert cafe.I asked here how it is possible for you to help me,if you wish to send money and they told me that you may transfer money to the name of the tranlsator or to my name directly and i'll transfer it to the translator myself.So here is my adress:
Ukraine 91000
Lugansk
Oboronnaya 124/36
Volikova Victoria
and here is the adress of the translator:
Ukraine 91000
Lugansk
Levchenko 13a/144
Sidorova Yana
And I also asked about Pay Pal,and I got to know that here is no such system and her Western Union is widely used.
Dear,you may use any of them,thnak you once more for your wish to help me and then we'll be able to talk again with you as much as we wish.
Jim,.I'll be waiting for your letter with impatience and hope

Sencerely yours Victoria

So what do you all think? Should I just drop the emails and post her to the "blacklists" or what? Please let me know.

[bat_guano]

By the way, if you would like to see her, her ID number on this website is #42251.

Thanks,

Bat

[MartinUK]

Jim,
Sorry if it is not what you want to hear but this does show all the signs of a scam, particularly bearing in mind Lugansk has the worst scam reputation in FSU.
Saying that however I have just done some google searches of ladies & street names, all I managed to find out is that Oboronnaya Str. is a residential street with some 16 storey apartment blocks. The searching of the ladies names revealed nothing.
An inmortant point here is how long have you been writing? If it is a minimal amount of time the indications of a scam are greater and also how did you meet? If it were one of these international dating sites, that is not good or if it were an FSU agency can you tell us the name? Whilst, and if, the lady may be a first time scammer an agency may have a reputation for it so the name would be very useful.
Have just done another search or the address of the internet cafe at 61 Sovetskaya Street and according to the link and letter below, it is not a cafe but indeed a bank!

http://www.russianblacklist.com/ViktoriaKornienko.htm

And, indeed the bank's own web-site confirms this:

http://www.aval.ua/eng...._id=261 (http://www.aval.ua/eng/personal/money_order/wu/wu_search/?region_id=12&city_id=261)

Hello dear XXXX,
I am glad to hear from you and to read your thoughts.
I am so thankful to you for your intention to help me .I so appreciate it . I heard an advertisement on TV about Western Union. This system allows to transfer money all over the world really fast. They say it is safe, too. You can send your money to the following address: to the name of Kornienko Viktoria(my full name). Bank Aval Sovetskaya Street,61 Lugansk 91000 Ukraine. Dear I pay for each letter 4$.
Vika
P.S. I don't think it is real to study English for two weeks but we can try to plan our future ,and it is so pity that i am not like your friends in rich families.

Jim,
Do a google search for 'Bank Aval Sovetskaya Street,61 Lugansk' and there are more results to go through.

Martin

[Nataliya]

Dear Bat,

Sorry to hear about your misfurtune. The only thing that I don't understand is why $67, why not $100 or $60 for example, to make it sound more believable? That's strange, because in city like Lugansk- it's not much you can do with this money.

Anyway, there is a bank on Sovetskaya 61, but it's a big 5 storey building, so they also have some offices there, could possibly be that also Internet cafe. Not sure- but possible. If you like this girl so much and you thought she was genuine- wait another day before you post her to the blacklist. Tomorrow morning I can ask my aunt, who works on Sovetskaya 62- to just go to the next door and ask if there is such cafe and if yes, than how much do they charge and if they let people to use their services now and let them pay later. As I understood she was in debts, which is strange as I've never heard of people letting others use facilities and ask for payment later, but not intirely impossible if you know the owner.

I hope I can help a little.

I'll post the result tomorrow.

Take care.

[bat_guano]

HooBoy! I think I got bit. She seems so sweet and so nice. And now for the bad news.

I met her on freedating.ru (Free Russian Dating Agency). Her first letter to me was on August the 4th...a mere 15 days ago. If you go to freedating.ru you can search by ID number. Hers is 42251.

To tell the truth, when she handed me the line about spending her money for her ill mother and good food for her, I just about went nuts. That is a line that is handed out by so many scammers. And now that you have shown me that the address she wants me to send the cash (even the small amount of 67 dollars) to is a

BANK!

Now all I have to do is decide whether I should post her to the blacklists or just stop writing her. Any advice?

One totally crushed Bat. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[MartinUK]

Nataliya,
I'm sure Jim will aprreciate your assistance very much and Jim, if you're reading this then I think Nataliya is right to wait a day or more.
Nataliya, that bank seems to be the bank where the scammers collect their Western Union transfers from thus it does occur to me, that having been asked for the address of an internet cafe she thought of the first address that was in her head!
Would it be normal that an internet cafe only has an address and no name?

[bat_guano]

Nataliya,
You are a SAINT! Women and men everywhere should bow down before you!

Really, I want to thank you. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated all the way to the bottom of my heart. I really don't want to believe that Victoria is a scammer, but if she is...then she's let me down in a big way.

I'll hold off another day to get your reply. I'll still have time to send the 67 dollars if she's not telling me a tall tale.

Here's another thing. I sent her flowers (to her address) and she got them...or at least she sent a picture with her holding flowers and was claiming that they were the ones I sent.

Once again, I thank you for your kindness in this matter.

Bat

[MartinUK]

Jim,
It did also occur to me that $67 a month may be more than the average (her) salary thus she would be living well above her means and she would have known that from the outset.

[bat_guano]

Martin,
You could be right. In fact, I'm thinking you are. But there's always what Nataliya said. Why not 100 dollars...or 60 dollars?

I just counted the emails she sent me. There's 9 of them. 9 x $3 = $27. That would mean that she has a $40 dollar internet bill and a $27 translation fee. That makes a little sense for the odd number of $67 dollars.

But I am also still sceptical. I'm now in the "I'm not going to get burned" mode.

One thing I am glad for...and that's the good people that are helping me here. Martin...Nataliya...thank you both very much.

Bat

[MartinUK]

And if it's any consolation Jim, one lady I had hopes for, from Poltova who earns $40 a month has asked for me the equivalent of 2 months salary to ASSIST her with our correspondence.
Meanwhile, another one, she wrote to me, first letter canned, second letter to say she had no time to write and third letter to say she has been in auto accident and is now in hospital, I guess she has a laptop !!!
Any guesses for what the fourth letter will be saying, or should I say, asking for http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[MartinUK]

Jim,
Natalya will know better but I understand internet cafe's are approx $1 an hour. Don't forget, she is (supposedly) translating both her letters and yours and I'm sure her first letter would have been canned so no translation necessary!

[katya]

Of course, you can send her at black list, but I am not think , that it will help to anyone. Men usually use this after disappoint but never

[MartinUK]

And Jim,
One thing to always do, regardless of money involvement or not is to do 'google' searches from as early as possible.
Search for whatever information you have, her first name, her family name, agency name, postal addresses, telephone numbers, whatever snippet of information you have.
Certainly exhaust all of these searches before parting with any money.

[MartinUK]

Katya,
If men do not blacklist then 'google' searches will not reveal scammers. It was via a blacklist I learnt that Sovetskaya 61 was a bank, without that (and Nataliya) Jim may have been tempted to send money.
Whilst I respect you greatly Katya you should not discourage blacklisting, if only every man blacklisted then there would be fewer scammers and you genuine ladies would have less doubt cast upon them.
Once men realise these blacklists exist they do check them regularly.

[Nataliya]

Bat,

It's no problem at all for me to check this cafe. You seem really interested in this girl and you "look" kind of crushed.

I've just looked through her profile. She stated her home town as Solnechniy- please tell me why is she going to Lugansk to use Internet?

[bat_guano]

Katya,
WOW! You are a realist! I like that about some women. You speak your mind and I appreaciate that. What is more, you are so right. You pay for internet access in advance. And if your mother is sick, you say, "My mother is sick". You hope that the person you are writing to says, "I am sorry to hear that and I hope she gets better soon". You do not say, "My mother is sick...send money".

By the way, Katya, I did not know she may be a scammer. I thought she was a nice, sweet woman. She may well be, but it doesn't look too likely now. I'll know more tomorrow when Nataliya's aunt checks out the internet cafe.

Martin, yes, I did search the blacklists for Victoria. I did not follow up after the initial search (which turned up nothing). That was my fault. But thanks for the tip. If things turn out for the worst between Victoria and myself, I will not stop looking and writing and hoping. That's one thing for sure.

Jim

[bat_guano]

Nataliya,
I posted a topic that asked where that place was. I didn't know WHERE it was either. I was kind of lost...especially since I searched all the maps I could find of Ukraine. I asked Victoria where it was and she said it was Lugansk. Also, her email address is:

swallow348021@mail.ru

Do a lot of people use Russian email addresses (mail.ru) that are from Ukraine?

I will say this: If she is a scammer, I will put her on the blacklists. I don't want anyone feeling the way I do right now.

Jim

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 20 2003,01:32)]Nataliya,

[bat_guano]

Nataliya,
I used a local flower shop. I called them and asked if they could send flowers internationally. They said they could. Their prices were just about what I had seen at 5 or 6 other flower services based in and out of Ukraine. I bought a medium size bouquet of seasonal flowers and had them delivered for a cost of about $85 USD. That is about what all the others were asking. What was a plus for me was that it was a hometown florist that I knew. Also, if the address she gave me was fake, the florist would notify me that the flowers were undeliverable.

Now, may I ask...if it is not a secret...did you ask so that I can send flowers to you??? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Jim

[777]

Hi bat!

Some notes from my site:

#There are street names beginning with Solnechniy at Lugansk, e.g. Solnechniy block, but it

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 20 2003,02:00)]Nataliya,

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (777 @ Aug. 20 2003,02:26)]Hi bat!

Some notes from my site:

#There are street names beginning with Solnechniy at Lugansk, e.g. Solnechniy block, but it

[katya]

Katya,
If men do not blacklist then 'google' searches will not reveal scammers. It was via a blacklist I learnt that Sovetskaya 61 was a bank, without that (and Nataliya) Jim may have been tempted to send money.
Whilst I respect you greatly Katya you should not discourage blacklisting, if only every man blacklisted then there would be fewer scammers and you genuine ladies would have less doubt cast upon them.
Once men realise these blacklists exist they do check them regularly.
I am not talk , that he mustn

[katya]

[QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 20 2003,01:25)]Katya,

[Scaramouche]

Hey, Bat. Just thought I'd chime in, since I've mostly been lurking lately... ;)

Something I can't help but notice is that people tend to write the way they think. In reading the messages, "she" uses your first name an awful lot, and "she" only uses it at the beginning of sentences.

Now, you can call me a suspicious (expletive), but I don't know of anyone real who talks like that or writes like that on a a regular basis, and only uses a person's name only at the beginning of a sentence. Looks more like a "fill in rich sucker's name here" to me.

Also, as noted earlier, honestly as yourself why a Russian woman who doen't know English would choose the name "swallow" for an e-mail address. It's not like she's a Japanese ad executive coming up with a dubious name for a new product.

Sorry, dude. I just got a scammer too, so it's back into the breach yet again for both of us.

[MartinUK]

Katya,
I am not suggesting that Jim should blacklist as an act of vengeance, of course it would serve no purpose to Jim.
But we, and the previous blacklisters have helped Jim here and if she is a scammer then Jim may be thankful to those previous blacklisters and feel obliged to blacklist now to assist the next guy(s) who search for such information.
I haven't blacklisted recently and I feel kinda bad that I should have done, I've got 2 scammers now so I guess I will blacklist them this weekend.
It does seem the number of scammers is increasing, whilst perhaps we cannot stop that, we can make their life as difficult as possible and I believe we should consider this our responsibility to do so by blacklisting.
OK, scammers do change identity and/or photographs but perhaps (yet to be proven) we exposed this scam by something as simple as the address of an internet cafe. Jim would be able to blackist 2 ladies names, 2 home addresses, perhaps a telephone number, the riddle of the bank vs internet cafe etc.
If blacklisted any different name or photograph from those addresses would be revealed by an address search and a different photograph but same name would also be revealed. It would make life very difficult for anyone scamming from those addresses or using those names (for Western Union transfers).
Just my personal opinion Katya!

Untill there are such men- naive and looking for much younger girls, there will be scammers. Some people simply deserve to be scammed

[Nataliya]

Dear Bat,

Here is full "detective" report.

[bat_guano]

First of all, I would like to thank everybody for your hard work and your very helpful opinions. You don't know how much this means to me.

Katya...for being a realist and bringing me back down to earth.
Martin...for all the hard work searching the internet for info.
777...for lots of good tips.
Margarita...for good and sensible input.
Scaramouche...for coming out of the lurking shadows and giving an opinion.

Very special thanks to Nataliya for recruiting her aunt to "spy" and get very valuable info (If you'd like to start a "Neo-K.G.B. just let me know! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif ).



Here is her letter for today:

Hello My Dear Jim

Sorry,I can't write you a lot ,you know that this is becauser of my debt to the inrternet cafe,I just wanted to say great thanks to you for the wonderfful flowers from you and the card.Those seven roses that you sent me are so beautiful.It is a great plaesure to get flowers from you,Jim, It has been a long time since I got flowers. It was a wonderful surprise for me.Thank you so much.I like you more and more,Dear.I really wish to talk with you more,My Dear,but I can't because of this debt that is a real problem for me.I'll miss you so much.


Sencerely yours Victoria

Notice how short it is? It sounds like she wants to end this (unprofitable) relationship on a nice note so that I won't post her to the blacklists, doesn't it?

I have decided I won't write her any more. As to whether or not I will post her to the blacklists...I don't know. It might help...but I still have doubts. I know, I know...I shouldn't have any doubts by now with all the info I have. But......

Totally depressed Jim http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[MartinUK]

Jim,
It is a supposedly polite reminder that you need to send her some money or you will lose her, to put it another way 'pay up or else'!

[bat_guano]

Martin,
Of course...you are right. Do you think she should be on the blacklists?

Jim

[MartinUK]

Hi Jim,
I made my thoughts clear on the previous page of these posts, I'd rather not say anymore for risk of offending. It's your decision Jim as long as you make any blacklisting informative for others and not an act of vengeance.

[katya]

It will be good, if this girl will be at black list.
But I am talk about another thing. This black list

[MartinUK]

black list

[bat_guano]

Once again, I thank all of you for your help. You have been the best.

I have reported Victoria to antiscam.org and also to the administrators of freedating.ru so they can investigate and pull her profile. The people at antiscam.org say on their website that it might take a couple of days.

I always try to see the good in any situation. In this situation I have found out that there are people in this world that care...and help. Thank you once again.

Now...back to finding my other half! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Jim

[MartinUK]

Jim,
The most recognised blacklist is www.womenrussia.com/blacklist.htm . To post write to Elena on blacklist@womenrussia.com

[777]

Martin, by using

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (777 @ Aug. 22 2003,00:56)]Martin, by using

[MartinUK]

777,
Yes, on this particular occassion it was a magnificent coincidence that 'Super-Aunt' was able to assist but under normal circumstances Aunt would not have been able to assist in any other city than Lugansk.
With regard to where the blacklist is made, yes, it doesn't matter which blacklist site the post is made for a search to reveal but many guys do not understand how to search but some know of Elena's blacklist.
When I started this process 5 years ago there were no blacklists, eventually I found a blacklist, one after another but it was not until thereafter that I discovered the values of a search engine.
There was 1 lady, or should I say a scam agency 'Wind of Love' that I blacklisted some 9 months ago, I listed her and the agency's name. 6 months later later a guy, who had travelled all the way to Kiev, only to discover this lady was non-existent then decided to blacklist on the same blacklist I had posted.
What a jerk, for 6 months he had fallen into the trap and all the time she (and they) had been blacklisted, if only he'd used a search engine!

[trotters4]

Whoever it is,once you hear the "I am in hospital!","my mother is sick","I have an aunt who can arrange a visa for me and a flight to the USA/UK/Anywhere","Western Union transfer number"....RUN If you have doubts,ask for her telephone number so you can call,suggest visiting her in the near future.A scammer will drop you straight away.Simple standard-NEVER send money to a russian or especially a ukrainian women you have never met.Avoid contact with Kherson,Kharkhov,Lugansk,Ekaterinburg. Ron Howard

[MartinUK]

I hasten to disagree. I once had a scammer, she had given me her phone number, said she had a visa and ticket to visit her cousin in UK, just needed some travelling cash from me for immigration purposes.
She even telephoned me as she was supposedly leaving home for the airport when in fact she was just on her way to collect the WU transfer she believed I had sent her.
The blacklists are littered with scammers who have given out telephone numbers so do not regard a telephone number as a green traffic signal.

[Thunderdome]

Martin,

I hope you at least had her travelling to the WU-office several times?
"I DID send you money dear, of course I did, why should I lie?"
So she e-mails you again, or you phone (bugger the cost, it's fun) and admit you checked and spelled the name wrong. Hey, you were drunk, can happen eh? But let's play it safethis time, mail me a scan of your ID, then I'll sort it out now.

Next time you ask her to e-mail as soon as she HAS the money - and of course she'll cry it's not there. Then you fume off to WU, the bastards, you'll sort them out.
A blackout, computer down, hell, anything really. But they expect to be up & running tomorrow.
Whatever you can think of.

[bat_guano]

Thunder,
You'd have some sweet, innocent woman trotting back and forth to the WU office? Shame on you! Here it is I thought you were a nice guy!

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Bat

[MartinUK]

And another thing,
Because she had lied to me regarding the city (village) where she lived she had asked I arrange for the money pick-up in Yoshkar-Ola. However, my geography (and interactive map) is very good and knew Kazan to be nearer the village where she told me she lived.
I subsequently learnt she lived in Yoshkar-Ola and whilst I have learnt the WU (Russia) is corrupt I'm of the impression she travelled all the way to Kazan for the money!
Now there's a trick you never thought of, neither had I thought of it until I realised she had lied to me about her location!

[bat_guano]

Once again, boys and girls, I refer back to the "Never Ever Send Money" rule.

I guess, though, I would give a woman money...IF I were looking her in the eye and putting it into her hand...and even then I could get scammed.

There are exceptions to the rule...but they are few and far between. So don't go, "Well, what if...". There's always an exception.

Bat

[MartinUK]

Bat,
With regard to money, yes, in an ideal world a guy should never send money to someone he has never met however sometimes we are forced into the situation by the policy of western goverments.

An example of this was I was supposed to have met my current lady in Cyprus in July, a tragic family circumstance meant she was unable to make the trip however:

I had booked and paid for her flight myself, because she is Ukrainian she needs a visa for Cyprus, for this I had sent her the grand sum of $25 but here comes the crunch ..... Her flight was arriving in Larnaca before mine and the Cypriot goverment stipulate that she have sufficient funds, ideally $500, to show she can support herself in Cyprus. Having made the effort to book tickets etc. without money being sent I found myself screwed by the Cypriot goverment.

OK, because of circumstances, the trip was cancelled before we reached the point of do I or don't I. I had pondered over this for a couple of weeks before I reached the decision that I would send her $500 but it is always, and should be, a difficult and calculated decision for a guy to make.

We're now meeting in Kiev next week, no money has since been sent, I've arranged everything for my visit myself, flights, apartment & airport transfers.

The trick I guess is always to travel to her country for the first meeting and try to arrange everything yourself.

Hi Guys and Gals,

Hate to tell you this but Lugansk is the scam capital of the FSU. Most of the best scams come from Lugansk and the girls are world famous. Check out google for: "Lugansk","scams" and see what information pops up.

Cheers and it is good to be back after a long absence.

Jon

[MartinUK]

Jon,
Yes you're right, perhaps a good thing my lady ain't from Lugansk!

Jon,
Yes you're right, perhaps a good thing my lady ain't from Lugansk!
Where is she from then???

[Nataliya]

Hi Jon,

I can confirm without looking through the site of how right you're. In Lugansk itself- THERE ARE NO DATING AGENCIES! I mean not conventional ones. There's a team of local "mafia" making living out of it. All sites are designed with "fake" pictures and profiles, responces are preinstalled on the computers, all they do-just adding the right name to it. Usually the correspondence fees are pretty small, but imagine how many guys are writing! Worth the trouble. Particularly- pay good attention on the e-mail address, if anything like username@whatever.ru- 100% scam. The local service provider- username@gts.lg.ua, even that can be fabricated, but more believable.

In general it doesn't mean that genuine girl from Lugansk can't be listed in other agencies, but worth thinking about. They are pretty "professional" out there.

Hi Nataliya,

Just curious. Where are you from or living now? You mentioned that it wasn't an English speaking country.

Take care,

Jon

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Sep. 24 2003,22:04)]Hi Nataliya,

Just curious.

[QUOTE= (Nataliya @ Sep. 24 2003,22:10)][QUOTE= (Guest @ Sep. 24 2003,22:04)]Hi Nataliya,

Just curious.

[Nataliya]

Hi Jon,

Japan was close enough.
Another good shot

[quote=Guest,Sep. 24 2003,22:21]
Hi Jon,

Japan was close enough, orient is my ancestry. LOL Also I lived there for a while.

Another good shot

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Sep. 24 2003,22:42)]Hello again Nataliya,

I spent a year in Japan and surrounding countries.

[MartinUK]

She's from Kiev John.

[liam]

jon's a legend http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

jon's a legend http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Hi Liam,

Nice to see (hear) that you're still around. Haven't found that special someone yet? I just returned from Holland and am in the states for a bit longer. Didn't want to leave Europe but there isn't any work for computer programmers at the moment. Can't live on love alone!!!

I'm still with Galina but since I haven't had a job in ten months it's hard to help her out financially. Surprised that she's still with me. Her brother who lives in Moscow hasn't had work since last August and is living on his wife's income which isn't much. I don't know how or when I can begin the k-1 process for Galina, but hopefully by next year she can be in the states with me.

So how are you doing?

Take care,

Jon

[liam]

g'day old buddy.........nice to read your words mate and its tip-top that your still happy with ya girl http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
As for me who know's.......maybe/maybe not http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .times on my side though http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Still kicking-back in nz's clean green paradise, getting into trouble with girls on the net and generally being as badly behaved as possible http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

keep being cool mate http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif liam

[Serge]

jon's a legend http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Deja Vous...lol

[sean]

Salut Segej, ou etais-tu le temps entier ? J'ai pense une de ces belles femmes russes t'aurais deja kidnappe dans les forets des Canada.... http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Serge]

[QUOTE= (sean @ Oct. 05 2003,19:19)]Salut Segej, ou etais-tu le temps entier ? J'ai pense une de ces belles femmes russes t'aurais deja kidnappe dans les forets des Canada.... http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

My experience tells me that a "good" Russian woman will never ask you for money. I have never been asked for money from a Russian girl

[Serge]

My experience tells me that a "good" Russian woman will never ask you for money. I have never been asked for money from a Russian girl
In that case Hank...can I borrow a twenty...My granny is sick http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[liam]

Sergy http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

you do realise that its nearly a year since you borrowed Flossy? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif .............you promised me you'd bring her home by now, or forfit 20$

bollocks to sick grannies! ............where's my 20 bucks? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Liam the pimp

You are being scammed. You should not send any money at all. You should stop writing immediately. It is possible to go to an internet cafe and get on the internet for one hour and the cost is only one dollar American. I have been to such internet cafe and even students can easily afford this amount of money. Don't send any money!

Jim, I read your problem, and I symapathyze with you I work as a prison officer in NZ so I know how fraudsters and crims work...
One thing amazes me does every woman in russia live with a mother that is sick or pays for her internet so she can be happy???
Alot of the scammers I have met use form letters and just fill in your name...I don't think that she is one that has done this!!!
Just remember the Russian people went through a vicious world war and they are tough...
If she has a budget problem and cant afford somthing and asks for money...you have one at the same time...have a car accident and need to get your car fixed...a white lie but one that might save you alot in the long run!!!
I'm nearing a trip to Russia to meet a wonderful young woman myself...she asked for money to help with her fee's I declined ( car accident ) she accepted that and struggled through...
Sounds tough but if money isn't a factor it can't be a motive!!!
When we meet I can make a judgement call face to face and spoil her rotten then...but untill then love is all we have in common.
Just remember don't rush into anything if she's serious she will wait...also if it's too good to be true......it probably is!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Jim, I read your problem, and I symapathyze with you I work as a prison officer in NZ so I know how fraudsters and crims work...
One thing amazes me does every woman in russia live with a mother that is sick or pays for her internet so she can be happy???
Alot of the scammers I have met use form letters and just fill in your name...I don't think that she is one that has done this!!!
Just remember the Russian people went through a vicious world war and they are tough...
If she has a budget problem and cant afford somthing and asks for money...you have one at the same time...have a car accident and need to get your car fixed...a white lie but one that might save you alot in the long run!!!
I'm nearing a trip to Russia to meet a wonderful young woman myself...she asked for money to help with her fee's I declined ( car accident ) she accepted that and struggled through...
Sounds tough but if money isn't a factor it can't be a motive!!!
When we meet I can make a judgement call face to face and spoil her rotten then...but untill then love is all we have in common.
Just remember don't rush into anything if she's serious she will wait...also if it's too good to be true......it probably is!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[MartinUK]

Cazz,
Please don't take this the wrong way but I would say there is more than a small chance that you're going to get hit for the expensive shopping trips when visiting your lady in RU.
I say this because she has already talked about money with you. I don't mean to be contraversial here but please let us know after your return.

[cazz]

Thanks for the input, I will be going with my eyes wide open, don't worry if she thinks she is going to put one over on me ...she will have another thing comming, and

[sean]

... I work as a prison officer in NZ so I know how fraudsters and crims work...
Hi cazz, do you know a guy with the name "liam" ?

May be you don't know him by his name but by his finger prints http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Oliver, where are you http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[QUOTE= (bat_guano @ Aug. 19 2003,17:27)]Wow.

[humanistX]

Hi
imagine you are introubled badly! The worst situation in your life has happened! You are short of money as never! Whome will you ask for the support? Will you ask the person overseas whom you know for a few weeks? /or old freind/parents, sisters/brothers? i would prefer old checked stuff....And I think that everyone does so. I hope this insight will help you to realize that when you are asked about $ it means that $ is the only aim in this correspondance. But of course the situation can be different. The other thing is that if you start sending money , every month a little your penpal will never disappear ....And all this can be ended happily. So if you are really very interested - send money , but realize that you are attracting the attention with this. And do not forget to add warm words and show sincere interest!
Good luck!

I stumbled on this site, and became quite curious. What makes someone fall for the oldest scam in the world. Love. Why try to have a relationship from someone from the other side of the globe, when you can have one locally? Obesity? Baldness? Major Insecurities? Wishfull thinking that you may hit the lottery? Are you that vain that you need an eighteen year old? What makes one so desperate that you can actually believe that you can develop a loving relationship in Russia when you obviously cannot acquire one at home? Personally, I think this is very very sad. Desperate lonely people, willing to lose money for a few affeconate e-mails, they crying because they lost their scamming love, that never existed, except for the love of one's money from a two bit hussey scammer, only to leave a desperate broken heart. Get a life people. Think about it !!!!!

[bat_guano]

OK, everybody...look and learn from the last poster..."WHY". This is how you get people stirred up and angry on a bullitin board...which is the only purpose "WHY" came here. Do not waste your time with replying to "WHY".

Remember...if you get upset and write a blistering reply, you're only playing "WHY's" game. Don't give "WHY" the satisfaction.

Bat

[MartinUK]

Why?,
I would estimate that all of the guys and girls that visit this site have their own individual and different reasons for seeking an overseas relationship.
Would you believe there are people in this world who have never left their home town or city or if they do it may merely be for the annual vacation?
I do not mean to offend you but you obviously haven't got a clue thus please do not doubt those who are prepared to venture internationally.

If any girl askes you for money it's gonna be a scam.

I seem to think it's gotta be quite a nice little earner for these girls, especially if their chatting and fleecing from a few blokes at the same time. How are you gonna find out??
Ok they may not ask for a lot lets say $40 or more dollars,
but if they are fleecing many guys then this is gonna be a good number

Gray
writes:
"....
If any girl askes you for money it's gonna be a scam.
..."

-actually:
Even if it is not:
What if you marry her, and she still asks for money for all sorts of obscure reasons?

...................................
She might even be totally honest, have a big heart and a big family with health problems.....
Or
She might be beautiful, totally honest, and have the money-management skills shown by a five year old child in a lolly-shop....