Strange attitude towards Russian females

[Vicky]

I would like to share an observation of mine concerning the attitude towards Russian females. I might illustrate this with one of experiences of mine, when dating a foreigner. Won't go into the whole story, just one thing which shocked me, and I guess (especially after reading some of messages of the forum) is freightining females. When I first met a foreign guy we decided to meet at a so called neutral territory, at some resort abroad. (Note: I paid for the air ticket myself http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) When we were at the beach, I noticed there were lots of Russian women there, and guys that worked at the beach even learned some Russian words to attract tourists' attention. When i heard them shouting and smiled at their pronunciation, my friend told me - shhhhh, dont show you're Russian. I asked why and got the answer - Russian women are mostly prostitutes, and if people see me here with a Russian girl, what would they think of me? (Personally I think his main concern should have been - what I would think of him). Anyway, that was a blow. Now do you, foreign guys think Russian females will cope with such an attitude? Will any of them in clear mind marry a foreigner and won't ever think that she'll be taken either for a prostitute or for a bounty hunter (which for sure would mean the same)?
I wonder if there are any foreigners who seek for true love... Or was it just a bad experience of mine?

</span>I would like to share an observation of mine concerning the attitude towards Russian females. I might illustrate this with one of experiences of mine, when dating a foreigner. Won't go into the whole story, just one thing which shocked me, and I guess (especially after reading some of messages of the forum) is freightining females. When I first met a foreign guy we decided to meet at a so called neutral territory, at some resort abroad. (Note: I paid for the air ticket myself http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) When we were at the beach, I noticed there were lots of Russian women there, and guys that worked at the beach even learned some Russian words to attract tourists' attention. When i heard them shouting and smiled at their pronunciation, my friend told me - shhhhh, dont show you're Russian. I asked why and got the answer - Russian women are mostly prostitutes, and if people see me here with a Russian girl, what would they think of me? (Personally I think his main concern should have been - what I would think of him). Anyway, that was a blow. Now do you, foreign guys think Russian females will cope with such an attitude? Will any of them in clear mind marry a foreigner and won't ever think that she'll be taken either for a prostitute or for a bounty hunter (which for sure would mean the same)?
I wonder if there are any foreigners who seek for true love... Or was it just a bad experience of mine?<span =''>
Hi Vicky,

I think it is just your bad luck! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Of course i have seen the Russian prostitutes in Holland, Danmark and a few other places. Even here in Stockholm we have them. However once a man decides on a woman, she will be introduced into the family and from that moment on she is protected by the family.
As for the resorts. Often in any place. people stick together, so basically prostitutes hang out in certain places. If he knew that, then that man had no business going there.
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So i think it was your bad experience.
I personally would hope that the average man treats his date a lot better then this.... (whatever you want to call him) treated you.

Hey, Lawrence, what family r u talking about on the first date? My experience was even worse. Most foreign men knowing u r russian think they own u and u must be happy whatever they say or do.

[Vicky]

I can partly agree with Marina, unfortunately. sometimes it seems that foreign guys think they're doing an unbelievable favor to a miserable russian female, taking her out of her poor conditions, treating her in full compliance with their own mentality, and then - oh why she's so bad to me...

[liam]

Theres always gonna be stereotypes, no little girl grows up wanting to be a prostitute but i guess sometimes situations are so desperate for one reason or another that it can seem like the only valid choice. I worked in Istanbul for a year and became good friends witha couple of russian 'call-girls', they had left behind lives of abject poverty and were trying really hard to build a better future for there families and themselves, i am sure that if they had had nice, happy, pleasant lives at home they would never in there wildest dreams have left there family and friends back home to sleep with dodgy men for a million lira.
In reply to vicky and marina all i can really say is that out here in the world of the internet theres probably a wild amount of men who would struggle to get laid in a brothel with a gold amex card, never mind the ability to meet someone for real who would love them for them. Saying that theres a lot of good people out there in the world, i guess the hard part is meeting them. As for me, i reckon the girl who i end up being with will kinda be doing me a favour!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vicky]

</span>Theres always gonna be stereotypes, no little girl grows up wanting to be a prostitute but i guess sometimes situations are so desperate for one reason or another that it can seem like the only valid choice. I worked in Istanbul for a year and became good friends witha couple of russian 'call-girls', they had left behind lives of abject poverty and were trying really hard to build a better future for there families and themselves, i am sure that if they had had nice, happy, pleasant lives at home they would never in there wildest dreams have left there family and friends back home to sleep with dodgy men for a million lira.
In reply to vicky and marina all i can really say is that out here in the world of the internet theres probably a wild amount of men who would struggle to get laid in a brothel with a gold amex card, never mind the ability to meet someone for real who would love them for them. Saying that theres a lot of good people out there in the world, i guess the hard part is meeting them. As for me, i reckon the girl who i end up being with will kinda be doing me a favour!!!!!!!!!!!!!<span =''>
Nice thing, liam, telling that there are lots of good men in the world. I know it's hard to find them, and it's not easier to find a good woman right? What we're talking about here is - we're all coming here to dating sites trying our luck, because we haven't found anyone good around us so far. How can I see that a next person I'll choose to date with, won't be another freak?
And the question is still open - why, if many think that Russians are not ideal talking about fidelity, still many want that same Russians? Anything specific about us?

[jlaner69]

Vicky,

I am sorry to hear that you had that experience. Not all men have such views or expectations of Russian or Slavic women. Many of us hold the opinion that most of the Russian women are very family oriented, faithful, loyal and forthright. Indeed some of the noblest traits on earth. Again I realize that there are some jerks out there, but please do not allow them to poison your thinking of all western men, as there are good and bad of every gender, everywhere. Unfortunately we have never figured a way to close the shallow end of the gene pool. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

You sound very sincere and hurt by those reactions from men and I apologize for that, it is a shame that has happened. But keep trying darlin' and you will find the man who lights up your days and it will all seem so worthwhile to have endured a few morons. It might even give you something to giggle about at that point in time.

Best wishes, and keep your chin up!

John

</span>Hey, Lawrence, what family r u talking about on the first date? My experience was even worse. Most foreign men knowing u r russian think they own u and u must be happy whatever they say or do.<span =''>
Hi,
Well family not on a first date of course. But the fact that you meet somewhere, this means it will be for a few days. The fact that he knew the local situation means that he had been there before.
I think a person should bnever be ashamed of their roots and their language.
no person ever owns another person, no matter what language or background.

</span></span>Theres always gonna be stereotypes, no little girl grows up wanting to be a prostitute but i guess sometimes situations are so desperate for one reason or another that it can seem like the only valid choice. I worked in Istanbul for a year and became good friends witha couple of russian 'call-girls', they had left behind lives of abject poverty and were trying really hard to build a better future for there families and themselves, i am sure that if they had had nice, happy, pleasant lives at home they would never in there wildest dreams have left there family and friends back home to sleep with dodgy men for a million lira.
In reply to vicky and marina all i can really say is that out here in the world of the internet theres probably a wild amount of men who would struggle to get laid in a brothel with a gold amex card, never mind the ability to meet someone for real who would love them for them. Saying that theres a lot of good people out there in the world, i guess the hard part is meeting them. As for me, i reckon the girl who i end up being with will kinda be doing me a favour!!!!!!!!!!!!!<span =''>
Nice thing, liam, telling that there are lots of good men in the world. I know it's hard to find them, and it's not easier to find a good woman right? What we're talking about here is - we're all coming here to dating sites trying our luck, because we haven't found anyone good around us so far. How can I see that a next person I'll choose to date with, won't be another freak?
And the question is still open - why, if many think that Russians are not ideal talking about fidelity, still many want that same Russians? Anything specific about us?<span =''>
Dear Vicky,

I have been around. I am 40 now, and i worked behind a bar for 10 years (to pay for my student life).
there are plenty of good man and good women. however they are often atracted to the wrong opposite. I have seen nice girls throw themselves away to men because the man har long waivy hair like Michael bolten.
I have men throw themselves away to ....CENSURED....
because they were big breasted.
they all reacted to their friends, and to image, in stead of to their hearts and brains.

By the time they do realise, they have lost a lot of time and the good catches are gone. This is how it has been pure and simple in Western europe. If i look back to the 80's then no average Russian woman would have been single here. They seemed like a dear come true. Sexy, feminine, intelligent, familyminded, warm and caring.

Why the difference?

GREED!

In Europe form '80 even to now it has been about a better car, a bigger house, a richer life, expensive things and image.
Many couples came together, sometimes out of love, but more often because they would have a better lifestyle.
I made the same mistake, i focussed on my career again and again for close to 20 years. Now i pay the price.
I do not regret the mistakes i made, i made them with my eyes open.

Now you are probably woondering if i am getting to a point here.
Well yes. It seems that Russian women had a much better grasp of priorities then western women do, that is why they are so appealing (okay, the fact that they are often beautiful has some influence).
Here we are 'interesting' for Russian woman, because we do believe in commitment and we can provide for a safe, happy and reasonable stable life. It leaves her open to focus on harmony, happynes and passion. The things that we man here desperately desire.

Just my opinion.

[Vicky]

To jlaner69:
Thanks for your warm words. To be honest, I'm already giggling at that experience of mine, though at first I of course was deeply hurt. Just that I don't know how to avoid things of that kind happening again. Maybe going with my date somewhere and openly demonstrating I'm Russian? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif To watch the reaction http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Just a joke

To choyces:
I didn't quite get whose greed you were talking about. The other thing - if you think Russian women have "a much better grasp of priorities then western women do" I would love to know why. Why so and why that happened if a woman whereever she lives is first of all a woman, and only after that a citizen of some country.
This "why" concerns western women, why they are not satisfying. I guess all men here had experiences of their own, so probably they would like to share their opinion (or that experience) on an average western woman, so that we here become sure that there is such a difference between us and those others. What if we are the same? (Just concealing that perfectly? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

[liam]

G'day Vicky,
Not meeting a freak on the internet is a mighty tricky thing; after all its the ideal medium for a little skinny computer geek, or a violent psycho to transform themselves into success-ful, charming buisness-man with a 10 bedroom house and a BMW!!!!. I guess one way though is to see if things seem too good to be true, I mean its kinda like when i look at some of the photos of girls on a dating site, some just seem way to beautiful and intelligent to be real. Personally i'd say a man who is 40 who is looking for a girl in there early 20's is one to avoid, its got to be only for one reason, a trophy. Also when they tell you what they do think care-fully about the sort of people attracted to that sort of career, stereotypes abound here though, for example, i look after autistic/handicapped children, what sort of man does this sort of work???, a kind, sweet person? or some-one who craves control over others?, it could easily be either.
Human nature is a dammed tricky thing, its hard to believe that a man will totally lie to a girl in russia for months in the vain hope of going on an expensive trip to possibly get sex, but it happens a lot (says something about men i guess, my sister says we are 'dogs with no hair'!!!). so, as for meeting someone nice i don't really know, my friend sarah says she always goes on what a man thinks of his family, especially with his mother, if he's got a good,friendly relationship with his family and a good circle of long-term friends he's usually at least friendly and kind. As for russian girls being 'easy', i have been all around the world and the prositutes of any country are always easy (a job requirement), but I've never met a easy russian girl, i'n not that good a person to lie that i haven'nt tried!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

</span>This "why" concerns western women, why they are not satisfying. I guess all men here had experiences of their own, so probably they would like to share their opinion (or that experience) on an average western woman, so that we here become sure that there is such a difference between us and those others. What if we are the same? (Just concealing that perfectly? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )<span =''>
Hi Vicky.

When i spoke about greed, i meant greed in general, better status, more money.
People are raised here (western europe) on the principles of equality and career. So both man and woman persue their careers. I am not saying that this is wrong!
I get the idea that women in eastern europe are raised with a priority on family life. (it seems like that to me).
I have no problems with women working, but if both man and woman work for their career, too little time is spend on family and children. This i find wrong.

[Vicky]

Hi Liam,
well, when I first start talking to guys in the net, asking for a pic is one of the first things I do, to be honest http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif And it might amuse me if the guy refuses - I start wondering if he's got something he'd rather hide http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Anyway, I know lots of girls will show you some pic of a too good to be true beauty telling it's them. Sometimes when I'm asked for a pic after a few talks I deliberatly send something, to put it mildly - not very appealing, just to see the reaction, what attracted that guy in me. If he turns away immediately - well, who loses http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As for good relations with family... well, I don't know, that's not the criteria I guess, and for sure that doesn't mean someone is uneasy if he/she has bad relations family-wise.
Wanted to clear up one thing, that same thing that was mentioned by Lawrence too. This thing is work. You all guys speak about family-oriented girls. Is that supposed to mean that your future chosen one should stay home totally concentrated on three "K"? You know that German stuff - Kirche, Kuche, Kinder. I'm sure if a girl is even in her 30-s she'd still like to work and maybe even to make a career if she couldn't do that at home having talent or being skilled in something. You won't help her in that?

[liam]

G'day vicky,
Kirche, kunche, kinder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, ha ha ha, i think you might have misunderstood what i last wrote. I thought that sort of ideal went out in the 1950's, personally the last thing that i would want is the stereotypical little housewife, sitting at home mending my socks (i can do it myself!!!), bored out of her mind, watching daytime tv and drinking gin. I mean maybe the potential to be a good mother to your children would be something that i would investigate, but aside from that the family thing would surely be way down the track. Fun, fun, fun thats whats required to start of a good relationship, then maybe you fall in love, not worrying if in 5 years time that the girl you've met is gonna be able to cook your dinner, sew a new set of curtains and be the dutiful hostess when your friends come around to watch the footy!!
Maybe though to a certain extent some of the girls on these sites kinda bring out these sort of comments from the men who write, after-all in many of the advertisements the girls portay themselves as 'homely', 'I want to start a family', 'find a good future father to my children' etc etc, or maybe I'm wrong and there are a lot of men who want a stay at home wife, to cook and clean like there mothers did!!. I think I'd rather be with some one who had a little more to say about there day than what groceries they bought at the supermarket and how much cleaning they did.
Have you had many men not write back when you've sent an alternative "less-appealing" picture?, thats kinda a smart move on your part, the way i see it is if a man has serious trouble in getting a girl in his hometown who he percieves as beatiful, why should he expect to be able do get a beautiful girl from russia??? Just because he's got a western passport and a job that pays 50 grand a year. Thats a bit dodgy.

[Marv]

Hello everyone!
Vicky, Liam, choices, Lawrence, jlaner69, Marina and all those reading this. My name is Marv and I am American, not that it matters. I am just going to jump in. Many months ago I put a profile on a American singles site. Almost all of the answers that I received were about my build, if I went to the university, and how much money I made. I have a high school education and I make more money than most of my former classmates who have degrees. Is this important? NO! What has this got to do with who I am as a person? SO! After meeting friends and other people who married men and women outside of the U.S., I decided to look at Ukraine, Russia and other countries of the former U.S.S.R.. I am not looking for a pitiful woman to rescue from your country, I am looking for someone to share my life with and someone who does not want to raise our children in daycare. I want our children to know their parents. I have been single long enough to know how how to shop, cook, wash my clothes, and vacumn.
This brings me to this! I posted my info on a couple of Russian and Ukranian sites. I have received mostly good responses. BUT! Two different ones to mention. I am 48. A beautiful young woman (23) responded to me with gushing love letters. She is either deceiving me or she is confused. We would have nothing in common, although she thinks we do. She sent multiple pics of her and her horse but it was several different horses. They were not even the same color.
BUT! On the otherhand I am writing to a lovely woman (attitude & looks) who has asked me the most serious questions that I have ever been asked about relationships, fidelity, marriage and more. She is in her mid 30's. My complete attention is with her.
There are lies and deceit everywhere! You have to see through it. I just want to say that ALL Western men are not looking for the pitiful wife to RESCUE from a Eastern European country. Thank you for reading my letter. I wish you all the best in your search for happiness!
Best regards, Marv [B]

[liam]

good-on-you-mate!!!!

[Lawrence]

</span>This thing is work. You all guys speak about family-oriented girls. Is that supposed to mean that your future chosen one should stay home totally concentrated on three "K"? You know that German stuff - Kirche, Kuche, Kinder.<span =''>
Hi Vicky,

You misunderstood me as well. There is a difference between working and having a career. If you want to work part-time it is no problem. Full time jobs require a good foundation at home, but a career is often loads more then just work. It is preparation, work, after work. Basically a career person loses 60-80 hours a week on this. In a relationship if both do this, and it is not in the same timeframe, too little time remains for the relationship and for the family.
I would never require a woman to stay at home. That is so Victorian, but there is a path betwee the two.
If she wants to work, then i would support her in that, if she wants to study i will support her in that, but a family has become my first priority. If it is not her 1st priority, then she is not the right woman for me.

[Vicky]

Thanks guys http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Being corrected in such a nice way is a good thing.
I have created a poll, please take a look at it, it might help me and other girls.
http://datingtalk.info/cgi-bin....=3&t=28 (http://datingtalk.info/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=28)

</span>I would like to share an observation of mine concerning the attitude towards Russian females. I might illustrate this with one of experiences of mine, when dating a foreigner. Won't go into the whole story, just one thing which shocked me, and I guess (especially after reading some of messages of the forum) is freightining females. When I first met a foreign guy we decided to meet at a so called neutral territory, at some resort abroad. (Note: I paid for the air ticket myself :) ) When we were at the beach, I noticed there were lots of Russian women there, and guys that worked at the beach even learned some Russian words to attract tourists' attention. When i heard them shouting and smiled at their pronunciation, my friend told me - shhhhh, dont show you're Russian. I asked why and got the answer - Russian women are mostly prostitutes, and if people see me here with a Russian girl, what would they think of me? (Personally I think his main concern should have been - what I would think of him). Anyway, that was a blow. Now do you, foreign guys think Russian females will cope with such an attitude? Will any of them in clear mind marry a foreigner and won't ever think that she'll be taken either for a prostitute or for a bounty hunter (which for sure would mean the same)?
I wonder if there are any foreigners who seek for true love... Or was it just a bad experience of mine?<span =''>
Most American women are definitely SLUTS and prostitutes: Women might not be soliciting in the street but they would sleep with anyone with a little bit of money. Most of the women are gang-bangers and their private parts are rotten.

[Vicky]

Hi, Steve,
I started the topic thinking that only Russians are at times being taken as easy-going girls, but I was pretty surprised to see that remark of yours. Any personal experience that makes you talking like that about Americans?

[katya]

</span></span>[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Oct. 22 2002,02:49)]I would like to share an observation of mine concerning the attitude towards Russian females. I might illustrate this with one of experiences of mine, when dating a foreigner. Won't go into the whole story, just one thing which shocked me, and I guess (especially after reading some of messages of the forum) is freightining females. When I first met a foreign guy we decided to meet at a so called neutral territory, at some resort abroad. (Note: I paid for the air ticket myself http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) When we were at the beach, I noticed there were lots of Russian women there, and guys that worked at the beach even learned some Russian words to attract tourists' attention. When i heard them shouting and smiled at their pronunciation, my friend told me - shhhhh, dont show you're Russian. I asked why and got the answer - Russian women are mostly prostitutes, and if people see me here with a Russian girl, what would they think of me? (Personally I think his main concern should have been - what I would think of him). Anyway, that was a blow. Now do you, foreign guys think Russian females will cope with such an attitude? Will any of them in clear mind marry a foreigner and won't ever think that she'll be taken either for a prostitute or for a bounty hunter (which for sure would mean the same)?
I wonder if there are any foreigners who seek for true love... Or was it just a bad experience of mine?<span =''>
Most American women are definitely SLUTS and prostitutes: Women might not be soliciting in the street but they would sleep with anyone with a little bit of money.

[scammer_hunter]

But it's the problem from girls from FSU.
If you are scammed only one time you won't believe any
girl more.......
I'm right???

Greetings,
S.H.
(scammer hunter)

[Jon]

</span>But it's the problem from girls from FSU.
If you are scammed only one time you won't believe any
girl more.......
I'm right???

Greetings,
S.H.
(scammer hunter)<span =''>
Greetings S.H.

So are you a scam hunter? What does this job involve? As for being scammed by women from the FSU, well I do believe it is possible. It is also possible to be scammed by American women or Turkish women.

What is a scam?

Is it someone who takes your heart and leaves you lonely and upset? Or is it simply a woman (or man) who takes money from you under false pretenses? Isn't marriage also a scam to a lessor degree?

We are all scammed one way or another. It just the nature of human beings.

Jon

[Vicky]

</span>But it's the problem from girls from FSU.
If you are scammed only one time you won't believe any
girl more.......
I'm right???

Greetings,
S.H.
(scammer hunter)<span =''>
You are not, S.H. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

If you wanted a rose but met a thorn, does that mean you won't ever come close a rose?
And, come on, as if that scam problem concerns only FSU. That's not very fair, as if you're trying to label us somehow. I've been meeting several foreign guys, and still didn't find the one. You think I should say "heh, all foreign guys are jerks, I'd rather stay alone or marry someone nextdoor"?

[Serge]

</span>[QUOTE= (Marv @ Oct. 25 2002,08:49)]Hello everyone!
Vicky, Liam, choices, Lawrence, jlaner69, Marina and all those reading this. My name is Marv and I am American, not that it matters. I am just going to jump in. Many months ago I put a profile on a American singles site. Almost all of the answers that I received were about my build, if I went to the university, and how much money I made. I have a high school education and I make more money than most of my former classmates who have degrees. Is this important? NO! What has this got to do with who I am as a person? SO! After meeting friends and other people who married men and women outside of the U.S., I decided to look at Ukraine, Russia and other countries of the former U.S.S.R.. I am not looking for a pitiful woman to rescue from your country, I am looking for someone to share my life with and someone who does not want to raise our children in daycare. I want our children to know their parents. I have been single long enough to know how how to shop, cook, wash my clothes, and vacumn.
This brings me to this! I posted my info on a couple of Russian and Ukranian sites. I have received mostly good responses. BUT! Two different ones to mention. I am 48. A beautiful young woman (23) responded to me with gushing love letters. She is either deceiving me or she is confused. We would have nothing in common, although she thinks we do. She sent multiple pics of her and her horse but it was several different horses. They were not even the same color.
BUT! On the otherhand I am writing to a lovely woman (attitude & looks) who has asked me the most serious questions that I have ever been asked about relationships, fidelity, marriage and more. She is in her mid 30's. My complete attention is with her.
There are lies and deceit everywhere! You have to see through it. I just want to say that ALL Western men are not looking for the pitiful wife to RESCUE from a Eastern

[katya]

</span><span =''>
hi!
be happy! woman can write letter to you on 5 pages!
I , ever if I am really trying , cannot write more , that one page. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
but I don't like * one lettter for a lot of people * . you see it all time.
if you see, that she isn't that woman , that you looking for - stop to write her. But tell her about it.
it is honest.

[Vicky]

Serge,

I've got a question concerning the second instance. The "personal beginning" and the rest of the "form" - were they written in the same style and with same master of language? and that 5 pages long letter?

[Serge]

Privet Vicky...The language of the letters I recieve now are very different that that of the letters I first recieved. The first four or so were written with the help of a girl friend and the english was very clear. Once she was on her own the letters became very short and much simpler. I know that at times she writes in english and at other times she uses the automated tranlator, never the less her letters are never more than 2K and she wont tell me much about her life or how she feels about things.

Corresponding with her has been interesting due to the fact I am not certain that she is a scammer but there are some things that indicate to me that she may be. For example in the third letter she mentioned that she only makes about $40/ month and very early on she told me that she loved me. I was not certain that she meant it as one would understand it normally but interpreted it as meaning that she chose me. We are all told to stay away from women that ask for money, but she told me that she was new to the internet dating thing and may not have been aware of the stigma that surrounds this request. BTW I do send her $30/ month to cover her internet. from what I understand, this amount should cover a letter a day for a month or so. I was told computer time is about a dollar an hour. She lives in Bogorodsk, about 20Km outside of Nizhny Novgorod.

Yes Katya, I too would have a hard time writing five and a half pages in a foreing language in the space of about five hours.

[Vicky]

Serge,

pretty strange it is. I mean telling in the third letter that she loves you. It should take more time. I think http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As for money, it's quite possible she makes 40$ a month and i-net indeed costs average 30$ a month.
One question more - you're exchanging letters with this girl because you like her or because you want to figure out if she's a scammer or not? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[katya]

</span><span =''>
only question.. how you spend money for her ? was she have account in bank before that you was start to send money for her ?

[Serge]

</span>Serge,

pretty strange it is. I mean telling in the third letter that she loves you. It should take more time. I think http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As for money, it's quite possible she makes 40$ a month and i-net indeed costs average 30$ a month.
One question more - you're exchanging letters with this girl because you like her or because you want to figure out if she's a scammer or not? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif<span =''>
You know Vicky, I really don't know why I have written this long. In the beginning, she went to lengths to ensure that she could trust me and it took me a while to gain that trust. This was very important to her so I assumed that she probably wasn't a scammer. Her letters were well written and clear and I enjoyed writing her but unfortunately they never returned to the quality that they once had. And physically I was attracted to her. Galina is not a bomb shell but I find her very attractive. SHe has the "girl next door" look...lol. SO I have continued to write in the hopes that something would change, that she would open up more but she has not so I think that it is time to part ways. I have asked her what her circumstances were to see if there was any difficulty but she would not answer my question. This is another issue that I have with some of the women that I have written to. (5 so far) I think that some of them purposly avoid the seriouse questions in an effort not to alienate the man and to keep things going as smooth as possable untill they can possably meet. Who knows but I get kind of offended when I ask someone who supposedly wants to get to know me and I her for the purposes of marrage and all she wants to talk about is her love of double chocolate syrup on ice cream or some thing to that effect...lol.( not kidding here folks) And Yes Vicky I want to know if she is a scammer. I have been writing this woman who lives on the other side of the planet for a couple of months now and I have to admit that I am just very curiouse about who she really is.

Katya... I send her money via Western Union. This service has thousands of branches through out the world, In the old days one would have to go to a Western Union branch near his home and pay for a money order hich could be wired to whom ever they wish and in any country of their choosing as long as there wqas a branch in that peticular city. Now I can do all of this on the computer ad the funds come directly out of my bank account. I simply send her a 9 didgit code and she can pick the money up near her home almost immediately after I send it.

[Jon]

</span>The first four or so were written with the help of a girl friend and the english was very clear. Once she was on her own the letters became very short and much simpler.

she wont tell me much about her life or how she feels about things.

For example in the third letter she mentioned that she only makes about $40/ month and very early on she told me that she loved me.

BTW I do send her $30/ month to cover her internet. from what I understand, this amount should cover a letter a day for a month or so. I was told computer time is about a dollar an hour. She lives in Bogorodsk, about 20Km outside of Nizhny Novgorod.<span =''>
Serge,

Let me see if I can put some of this into perspective. The first four letters were written by her friend. That may explain the "I love you" early on, but not since. It may well be that her friend put those words in the letter without her knowledge or consent? It was probably her friend who suggested it.

Ask her pointed (leading) questions and see what type of response you get back. A scammer won't answer specific questions and only gloss over them. Why? Because they don't want to get personally involved with the person they are scamming. Besides the more information you have the more chances you have to discover the truth.

It is also possible that she only makes $40.00 each month. My girlfriend only makes about $70 and she is a manager. It isn't uncommon for such low wages, but their cost of living is also much less than in the U.S.

The $30.00 is probably enough to cover the cost of using the internet. Maybe she has a couple of bucks left over each month. Maybe she uses some of the money to see a movie or go to a cafe once in a while. They are luxeries in her country and you're a good guy for not mentioning it.

BTY. If she gets $30.00 a month from 10 guys then she is making a darn good living in her country. I doubt that this is the case, but you will learn more about her by the way she responds to your questions.

I also had a girlfriend named Galina. That is such a sexy name in my opinion. We still talk and have a good friendship even though I ended the relationship.

Good luck,

Jon

[Serge]

</span></span>[QUOTE= (Serge @ Nov. 19 2002,02:50)]The first four or so were written with the help of a girl friend and the english was very clear. Once she was on her own the letters became very short and much simpler.

she wont tell me much about her life or how she feels about things.

For example in the third letter she mentioned that she only makes about $40/ month and very early on she told me that she loved me.

BTW I do send her $30/ month to cover her internet. from what I understand, this amount should cover a letter a day for a month or so. I was told computer time is about a dollar an hour. She lives in Bogorodsk, about 20Km outside of Nizhny Novgorod.<span =''>
Serge,

Let me see if I can put some of this into perspective.

[Jon]

</span>Hi Jon...Thanks for the reply. I have given it alot of thought lately and I think that I will write her toningt and tell her what I have told everyone here. It will not be the first time I have raised these concerns to her. If I don't get a compelling reply I will simply cut things off. I wonder if this isn't just entertainment for her. I pay for the time and write her anaverage of 10K/ day. What does she have to lose by writing me. I can't think of any other reason for the poor content.<span =''>
Serge,

IMHO -- It's a bad idea to mention that you are asking other people for advice. Imagine how any woman would feel if she knew that you couldn't think for yourself? Besides most women from the FSU view your letters and conversation as private and would be very offended to know you were discussing them (her) with other people.

Let me offer another idea. I know women from the FSU who write long letters because they are comfortable with the language. Others may write shorter letters because it is difficult to express themselve in another language. Try to tell her how you feel using a Russian translator. Then take that same letter and convert it back to English. I think you'll be surprised to learn that what you wrote wasn't what was actually translated into Russian.

My previous girlfriend started the same way as your Galina. She wrote smaller letters until her skills became sufficient that she could write longer letters. Her English skills improved by writing and talking with me.

Same goes for my current girlfriend. She hardly spoke a complete sentence in English when we first met. Now she is doing much better. Although she doesn't write long letters because we talk quite a bit on the telephone. So why does she need to write me a long letter? If she needs to tell me something important then she'll write me.

My friend, you must have patience and understand that she is trying her best with limited English skills. Once you invest the time and energy into helping her learn English then I think you will find it worth while. Maybe you can help to pay for English lessons? I do and it does help quite a bit.

It's your choice how you go about this relationship. My only advice is that it generally takes many months if not years to really work on a relationship. A couple of months is not that long and maybe if you wanted to take a couple more months then you may see a change.

Just my .003 cents worth.

Jon

[Serge]

</span></span>[QUOTE= (Serge @ Nov. 19 2002,10:15)]Hi Jon...Thanks for the reply. I have given it alot of thought lately and I think that I will write her toningt and tell her what I have told everyone here. It will not be the first time I have raised these concerns to her. If I don't get a compelling reply I will simply cut things off. I wonder if this isn't just entertainment for her. I pay for the time and write her anaverage of 10K/ day. What does she have to lose by writing me. I can't think of any other reason for the poor content.<span =''>
Serge,

IMHO -- It's a bad idea to mention that you are asking other people for advice.

[Jon]

</span>PS...IMHO=?<span =''>
In My Humble Opinion (IMHO)...what can I say?

[katya]

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Hi , Serge!
I am not understand you a little. She writing you , that she love you and need you. And when she was start to write it ? may be , she was write not love , but like ?
I don