Looking for the opinions of others!

[MartinUK]

Today I received an email from another site, I hasten to add American, whereas they insist the following 'tablets of stone' should be a golden rule.
Not wishing to enter into a nationality disagreement but I'm of the opinion that each nation has its own views and ideals of how a relationship and marriage should be entered in to and conducted thereafter, I'm of the opinion that others should not be dictating (in stone) how one(s) may conduct their relationship.
I think an input from the ladies of this site would be an invaluable insight in to how set in stone these tablets should be regarded:

Heard about the Tablet's of Stone? Have you disregarded any of these in the past? Or more importantly, are you still? These were written by the members of the site and can help you tremendously in the process!

1) Be very honest, open, optimistic and realistic about who and what you want in a relationship.

2) Be able to be a leader of a family.

3) Be a Man!

4) Be open on sexual issues.

5) Be sure you can financially afford to embark upon this process.

6) Be prepared to make a trip.

7) Don't fall in love with a photograph.

8) Verify you are writing to a real woman who is genuinely interested in you.

9) Make sure there are true feelings, chemistry and love between you.

10) If the lady will not give you full contact details, move on.

11) Never send money to someone you've never met.

12) Follow your instincts, particularly when you see Red Flags. Know when to hold and know when to fold.

13) Always have a back up plan.

** Next Week: Writing a Personal Ad - How to perform better than 95% of the men who place them.

[Ronnie]

Take what works for you, add it to your own 'guidelines' and dump the rest. Thats my advice. What site did it come from?
Ronnie http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[MartinUK]

It comes from www.rwguide.com . Whilst Spencer, the guy who's site it is, seems a great guy the site is very one-sided American and many of them seem unable to understand there is another world out there ..... nothing personal guys.
The one about being open on sexual issues intrigues me and is very much open to mis-interpretation. Is it being suggested that in early letters we should be talking about different sexual positions each other may like, I frigging well hope not!

[Vicky]

Advice sounds more or less reasonable, though couldn't be called genuine truth, besides we all know general advice is not something we all can take without any hesitations.

Few comments on some of the points.
- Be able to be a leader of a family. Who this advice is given to? Let me doubt men do not feel themselves leaders anyway, or is that for those who's looking for mum rather than partner?

- Be a Man. Nice advice but cannot be interpreted being pretty vague. Men usually have thousands ideas of what it is being a Man, as well as women do, so you have to check first what women think of this i guess, if it concerns future relations. If ideas do not coincide no point trying.

- Be open on sexual issues. Well, that pretty much depends on a woman, but i assume most of women will be embarrassed if you start talking about sex with them at the initial stage, as well as in letters to her or over the phone. They might think you're a maniac http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Women might feel awkward even when there's a real meeting, imagine her feelings talking about this earlier. That's general as well, a woman can be very open, but think what you feel like if say in a third or fourth letter your girl will start asking you some veeery detailed questions about your physiology.

- Make sure there are true feelings, chemistry and love between you. Not too much in one package straight away?

Might come later with more comments if necessary.

[Thunderdome]

Martin,

Let me chip in here. Hoo, hold your horses, read it first http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I

[bat_guano]

OK,
Being a citizen of the United States (I try not to use "American"...as Canadians, Mexicans, etc. are Americans also), I have looked over these "rules" and have found a good deal of sensible advice. Advice, I might add, that I got from some of the members of this board.

Being the "leader" of a family. Well, that's a more "traditional" male role. From what I see, FSU women are more "tradidtional" than U.S. women, something which I appreciate and admire very much. What this advice is saying to me is: "Be able to make decisions and be strong for the woman you are with" (See also: "Be a man!"). You see, men in the U.S. have gone basically two ways.
1.) Ultra macho.
2.) Weak kneed "Nellys".

The phrase "Be a man" means so much to us here in the U.S. It means "Take responsability for your actions". It means "Go out and earn a living". It means "Be strong in will and character". It means so very many things...things that have been all but weeded out in the U.S. male. Women in the U.S. have a tendency to refer to "men" as self-centered, insensitive jerks. Most U.S. women think the world revolves around them.

Now, I AM using rash generalities here, but there are fewer and fewer U.S. women who think the family unit is something to be cherished. Don't ask me why...it just sucks!
Hence, I look for more "traditional" instead of what the U.S. has to offer.

"Be open on sexual issues" to me doesn't mean discussing the Kama Sutra and email sex and naked pictures. To me, it means "People around the world may not share your views of sex". Some societies are more liberal than others. For example, to some societies, nakedness is just a fact of life, whereas you may consider nakedness lewd. At least that's what that phrase means to me.

The rest of the advice just seems common sense. Don't go into a relationship unless you can afford plane tickets and visas, etc., and don't send money to people you don't know. All just common sense. At least that's the way it looks to me.

Bat

[Nataliya]

I managed to creep into this one as well! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I'll be real gentle and just ask a question.

After reading all these guidlines and your opinions and warnings on it, I really wonder, what do you,guys, are writing about?! What's left after you exclude all the jokes, chemistry, some "lighthearted sex" issues? They are all part of life and you can't avoid touching them at some stage. I don't understand how can you possibly correspond without humour anyway,even if you believe that it's somewhat different in FSU,well, teach her yours, then. It's the first time I hear that sex is something to be embarrased about. Why? Allright I'm not saying you have to discuss sexual positions of your preference, but she might be OK with that, how would you know if you don't ask?

[MartinUK]

Bat,
I basically agree with what you have to say but these tablets are directed towards a designer N. American relationship.
Nothing personal here but I don't wish for such a designer relationship. The special thing about an individual relationship is it is unique between those 2 people, something that is personally theirs.
Whilst these rules are in the main, good advice, that is what they should be regarded as, good advice. However, naming them 'tablets of stone' and emailing them to every member of the board then one may interpret this as having these tablets forced upon them and they should be regarded more seriously than just good advice.

Thunder,
To verify what I have just said you are proving this point. You have your way of conducting your relationship, I have my way and everybody else has their way so where do these tablets of stone fit in?
Only in one letter writing experience was sex talked about and it spoilt the whole thing.
In my current relationship, by the way I received my Ukrainian visa today for travel on 04 October, I have never mentioned sex, my way around this was to ask my lady how much time she would be able to spend with me during my stay in Kiev. Without going into detail I got an answer I liked!

[bat_guano]

Martin,
I think we are in total agreement that the "tablets" do contain good advice, I really think "set in stone" is patently absurd. Good guidelines, yes. Set in stone...NOTHING is set in stone.

Bat

[Thunderdome]

Shoo

[Nataliya]

Oh Thunder,

I could never refrain from answering your lovely posts. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

So, wondering one- yes, I have letters from the guys, also I do talk to them and see them via webcam, later, also in flesh and blood. As you can see my social cyber life is quite colourful and well. I do know what it is all about. We talk about plenty of stuff and no guidlines are used, just as long as it feels comfortable. I happen not to get embarrassed easily,if ever. LOL Mostly it is stress free full of fun conversations.

My wondering was about the guys on forum, particularly, ones engaged in this topic. Therefore my question was to Bat, Martin and yourself. Thanks for your answer, however it is hard for me to agree with you- I admit you raised excellent points here and I value your opinion (especially Kama Sutra first-hand experience

[trotters4]

Just wondering if any of you experts on this site have actually BEEN to russia,met russian women.My advice is always forget agencies.If you have time and capital go to russia.Avoid Moscow and St.Pete.Cities worth visiting are Volgograd,Izhvesk,Samara and Ufa.All big provincial cities are full of lovely women who are happy to know a westerner.Avoid(like the plague)all ukranian cities,Ekaterinburg and Yoshkar-Ola.Get your visa and go.Once you've bought the flight everything else is cheap.Avoid hotels.A "Google" search of most cities will find you an agency that lets apartments at good rates.Imagine your own flat,your own time,relax and enjoy where you are.

[Thunderdome]

4 Trotters,

It simply cannot be ignored that some of your 'experts' ARE Russian.
Probably obvious most males are neither but some may be.
And some of those even have been there already.

Saint Petersburg is different from Moscow, but why you don't like the place (y the sounds of it) will remain a mystery if you don't elaborate. I like this city and it's people, nothing 'wrong' with. Then again, you mention some places I'd love to go to.

One of them the Ukraine, and for some reason you appear not to be alone in your verdict. Give us yours? I'll promise I'll read it.

4 Nataliya, my fitness regime CAUSED it! You see, a mountainbike wants mountains, and I've found out one can fall off them. Pity of this fire though. Oh, so btw, I prefer drugs, the ancient Chinese version.

4 Vicky - where'r you now? I'd love to hear more comments on posts mailed earlier, and you seem to want to say more but are silent as a lamb. Ooopsy, too rude a comment somewhere maybe?

[Vicky]

Sorry for silence, 4 days of no-net jail thanks to some telephone cable works over here http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Will read all the above carefully later today and surely will bring some more comments, if you girls and guys find them amusing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Nataliya]

Do you think there's some kind of scammer communities in those cities you recommend to avoid? What's wrong with the whole Ukraine? Scammer girls can be anywhere even in those places you gave green light for.

It's easy to say avoid SPB,Moscow...I doubt very much that there's no good and genuine girls there. Also,trust me, you'll enjoy your stay there much better then in Ufa. One who interested in Russian culture, should just go to those cities to enjoy sights, things that you're not going to find anywhere else in the world. But then again- you can enjoy nice crab fishing in Izhevsk. LOL

I guess what I'm trying to say, guys shouldn't look into where she's from, but to what kind of person she is. There's been plenty of warnings and notes of how to "recognize" the scammer. Just follow them and your intutition and you should be fine. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Nataliya]

Oh, so btw, I prefer drugs, the ancient Chinese version.
You missing out a lot on this one! Not only ancient Chinese version is proven to be more beneficial for your health, it's also way more enjoyable. Drugs will never cure the cause, only the consequence and only temporary. But then again it's an individual's choice.

[Thunderdome]

Izhevsk? Really? I

[Thunderdome]

Habits are hard to kick, but addictions are worse. I confess I am, entirely.
No doubt Jasmine

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Thunderdome @ Sep. 18 2003,20:36)]Habits are hard to kick, but addictions are worse. I confess I am, entirely.
No doubt Jasmine

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Thunderdome @ Sep. 18 2003,20:04)]Izhevsk? Really? I

[Thunderdome]

Ciao San,

ye'r pushing it - Opium a perfume? Really? Where's it sold - backyard alley's or 'coffeeshops' like in Amsterdam? And do you negotiate with money or with a 9-mil? Just curious http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Nothing wrong with the ancient Chinese ways, but I prefer to stay planted instead of flying so high. Didn't know it's traced back to Egypt, but also does not surprise me really. Plenty is, but what really nags me is we still cannot make such pyramids, in fact wonder if ever well be able too.

I slipped on the oily bit. Jasmine? Plus soft hands? Well now, sounds very tempting indeed. If ever I'll bring the Opium. You just might become an addict too. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Those crabs really look a meal, better not trot on those with bare toes.
Regarding the SF ladies from Izhevsk - I was unaware science fiction involved backpacking?

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Thunderdome @ Sep. 19 2003,00:53)]Ciao San,

ye'r pushing it - Opium a perfume? Really? Where's it sold - backyard alley's or 'coffeeshops' like in Amsterdam? And do you negotiate with money or with a 9-mil? Just curious

[Thunderdome]

VICKYYYYYY,

Please help here?? Nataliya fails to recognize my humour, or sarcasm (= same), or her legs being pulled! On this point, soft legs as well? Sorry, I digress.
Yes Natik, I know the availability of maybe even more Perfumes you might mention.

[Vicky]

Nataliya, Thunderdome,

having being advised to refrain from phi-details, i might also refrain from entering that nice chat of yours, i just love reading it http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Besides my grandma used to tell me "don't snatch other kids' toys, if you wanna play, you'll have a toy of your own, just ask or show you wish to have it". Hope you both don't think i'm kinda keyholing either, just like watching the way you exchange pins http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
My turn to digress and move backwards to what was said on the issue. First to Nataliya's point of view on sex talks. I already wrote women might find those talks embarassing though i didn't mention they find sex itself embarassing. Was talking solely of my own experience meaning i would never look seriously at a person who started asking me sex related questions or joke about sex without (Thunderdome's right) being my partner or at least meeting me in real. Another point is this language barrier, which sometime means that even if a woman's ready to answer your jokes she might not be able to choose the right words or if she's open about sex issues she might as well not have necessary vocabulary, and that might be embarassing as well.
Moving to Trotter now. Not the first time here i read an opinion like this one concerning escaping big cities and choosing from smaller and provincial ones. It's a silly thing to assume you'll find your cinderella over there, in a village-like town. It does depend on a woman's personality whether to be a naive suburbian or a bitchy downtowner, since these are the stereotypes Trotter undoubtedly has. Living conditions matter for sure, but they do not define personality. Or is that a stereotype of mine this time?
Oh, and surely i felt sorry for those taking recommendations and escaping my city - St.Pete how Trotter put it. At least I consider it far more beautiful than Wash or Phil, can be compared to Edinb, different style from Pra of course, but nonetheless amazing and worth visiting. Girls are nice as well (everyone's invited http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

[Nataliya]

Thunder,

You called for help??! So soon??!!

I appreciate your concern about me not getting your sence of humour or sarcasm, but who's ever told you I was serious? Do my posts look serious to you?!!

However you took it-it worked. LOL See how much info you've volunteered and the main thing- see how easy people can "slip" from the subject and go down to a lighthearted and friendly chit-chat?! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif You think of that next time you decide to "bash" forum's people heads for having silly fun of their own.

[Nataliya]

Hi Vicky,

I see what you mean.That is your personal opinion and I also partly agree with it. Sex talk in "details"- most of women will find embarrasing, but light jokes- I don't think so (providing they could speak good English and understand what's going on). But then, if their English is not good enough- it won't be much of a conversation anyway on any subject,exept some simple info exchange, I don't think something like sex issues will even arise. In general, I think Bat mentioned it- some people are just more liberated then the others and talk about all sorts of subjects as long as they feel comfortable with it. It's all individual and you just have to try and see what's working for you.

I totally agree with you about "suburbian cinderella" story. Thunder made a big fun when I suggested to look into personality instead of geography. I wish him good luck in finding this "diamond in the rough", who makes her own clothes and grease the roof. LOL On my experience even a bare foot farm girl can be a first class bitch if she decides so- or big city professor's daughter can be the "shyest flower". There's no one pattern.

[Thunderdome]

Tatata Nata,

To answer your fourth question

[Nataliya]

Hey Thunder,

I so didn't want to touch the religion part, but if you insist- I'm the last person to be called religious, rather absolute atheist. Even less I believe in horoscopes (or ever read them for that matter). Maybe the fact that I'm only half Russian saved me from that typical "curse"!

[Tom]

[QUOTE= (Thunderdome @ Sep. 20 2003,00:53)]He may look wherever he likes, but I just think that, BECAUSE it doesn

[Tom]

I so didn't want to touch the religion part, but if you insist- I'm the last person to be called religious, rather absolute atheist.
Interesting....I always considered Atheism a religion unto itself!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif In that it requires a certain 'faith' (not evidence) to believe in it!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

That's why I'm an agnostic!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Tom @ Sep. 20 2003,02:19)]Interesting....I always considered Atheism a religion unto itself!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Vicky]

Having spent all my life, except short periods abroad, right in the centre of SPB, i'd say at times i wish i lived somewhere where it's quiet, nice and calm, with better environment, fewer people and stuff. Like every downtown person i sometimes dream of going to a village or likewise. But i really doubt i would be able to adapt to life in a small city being a megapolis person. Younger people might be able to adapt. If Katya was there, she'd definitely say "if you love, you'll do everything for the one you love". Partly it's true, though alter ego, which is habit, might torture us the rest of life however hard we try.
I take no offence at calling my city short or other names, just hoped Mr.T. knew the full name, that's it. Don't remember the quote but it's Shakespeare who wrote something like "what's in the name, what we call a rose will have the same smell being called differently".

[Tom]

Don't remember the quote but it's Shakespeare who wrote something like "what's in the name, what we call a rose will have the same smell being called differently".
Hi Vicky http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ,
I don't remember shakespeare's quote verbatum, either...but there are two versions that I remember:
"A rose is a rose is a rose"
and "What's in a name? A rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet." http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I think the latter is Shakespeare.

I love your 'literal translation'! ...minus the iambic pontameter, etc.! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Actually, it makes me think....I do not know any languages (other than English) as well as you, Vicky. I wonder what it is like to 'think' in a 'foreign' language. (I studied Spanish and Russian, but my skills in those languages are quite pitiful.)
Your English is so excellent, that I would almost mistake you for a native speaker. But then you translation of shakespear is so....(I don't know how to explain....) so "un-shakespearian"!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ...so literal.
It just akes me wonder if someone can ever truly appreciate any language as well as one's native language.

No knock on you, Vicky!!!! Your English grammer and spelling is better than most native speakers!!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Tom]

Hey,
I must admit...I am a little drunk...back from a night out on the town. Not trying to sound like an ' A-hole'!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
But I am a bit 'language biased' in my thinking processes. Despite my inability to learn foreign languages with any proficiency, and the fact that my job requires mathmatical proficiency, I have always scored much higher in the language department on any standardized tests. And I just wonder how much of my subtle inferences ever get through on 'international' forums such as this. Especially when i realize that even the most fluent speakers of my language may not be 'in tune' with every tiny inuendo or poetic meaning embodied within my language. And the same goes for people like me, who may be able to understand the literal translation of, say, a Russian poem...but may NEVER understand it's full meaning.
I don't know...just thinking out loud...:p
Don't mind me! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Tom

[Thunderdome]

Miss N.,

By the looks of it you should read Steven Hawkins

[Vicky]

Tom,
i wasn't even trying to give a poetic interpretation of Shakespeare's thought just because didn't want to ruin the melody if i don't remember the exact quote. Was giving "correct grammar version' only to remind it to those who might not have read the poet.
Besides after reading it in both languages, and it's "Romeo and Juliet", i'd say i love Russian version more, probably because Russian's a native language, though i still find there's more melody in Russian, call it "language patriotism" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
If you're asking me personally, i should say that it was long ago when i stopped thinking in Russian before i want to say anything in English, that will be too difficult regarding my occupation, since i'm an interpreter. So, when this urge comes and i need something to be formulated in another language i just stop thinking before telling things, and if there should be some thoughts behind the words, i think them in English.

P.S. Still think the drug Lorenzo gave Romeo was too strong http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif He should have been under its effect otherwise he'd wait for a while till Juliet was awake

[Tom]

I'm back...and sober!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I wanted to make it clear that I was not trying to be critical in any way, what so ever...and it does not appear that anyone took it that way...Good!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Since I don't know any languges well enough to 'think' in those languages, I guess I have no idea what it is like. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Thunderdome @ Sep. 20 2003,13:45)]Miss N.,

By the looks of it you should read Steven Hawkins

[Nataliya]

[QUOTE= (Tom @ Sep. 20 2003,12:10)]

[Thunderdome]

Nataliya,

Curse

[katya]

about what talk is ?
If she love, she will go with he even at the North Pole; hot

[Ronnie]

Yes, I have been looking a long time and I will ask again!
Are you real. Do you need a real guy ? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Ronnie]

Hard!!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Not one for over elaborating!

Controversey? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Vicky]

My prediction was totally correct when i was saying when Katya comes she'll tell all of us who don't believe in the great power of love that "if she loves she'll do... whatever whenever". Perfect attitude Katya, my compliments.

[katya]

Vicky , pity , but you are mistaken. I am not believe, that love can do everything.
but I know exactly

[Nataliya]

[quote=Thunderdome,Sep. 21 2003,22:48]Nataliya,


Morning Science boy,

My girl from Norilsk dismissed the guy from lovely Cape even without reading his letter. Why? She said it was too hot and too far, but she was very interested in a guy from Australia though. To my opinion- that's not any closer or less hot. What's seem to be a problem then- politics or race issues? Could that be a crucial factors in one's relocation?

Every place described above you made sound highly

[Nataliya]

To start with- the talk wasn't about "if you love him...blah blah blah"-it was ment to continue with the discussion about how radical changes in geography might be or not be a problem when girl relocates.

The other thing,about love allegedly turning woman into stupid thing. Are you talking from experience? If not- I suggest you hold on your horses. How far did you go for your love?From the look of it,you're still in Russia? If so, then I suggest you refrain from making your statments so categorical. Let's be honest for a change- it's not only love you think about when want to find a husband overseas, or is it?! In my opinion when women is placing her profile on the net in search for a foreign husband- hardly she thinks of just love in a paradise with a perfect stranger. She'd be much more motivated , as that move is a huge decision, unless you're a scammer of course, and it's just your job. However, if that decision is firmly made- it's proven to be much more useful, instead of spitting big "love" words- just be genuine. But that ,of course, after you're done with building your aircastles.

[Thunderdome]

Nata,

I fully agree with you, a shark is a typical example to make a meal from. I disagree with the handling bit though, just bring it to the surface and kill it, there

[bat_guano]

KATYA RULES!!!!

I wholeheartedly agree with Katya. If you want true love, and you have found the one you were meant to be with...what is a little heat or cold? If you are with THE one special person you were meant to be with...you can withstand almost anything.

Bat

[bat_guano]

Agnostic? Atheist? Paranormal? Where have I BEEN?

You mean that you all discussed those issues and I didn't get to put my two cent's worth in there? Was I asleep? Was I in a coma? Did I freefall to the center of the earth? Were the electrons not flowing back and forth on my synaptic bridge?


ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!

I missed it!

Bat

[katya]

Natasha, how old are you and how old I am ? are you marry ? I think , that to your age I

[Nataliya]

[quote=Thunderdome,Sep. 22 2003,20:27]Nata,


Thunder,

Your recipe of sharks fin soup is a little strange, although I believe that it was tasty. However the vesion I know is a bit different,but I'm sure you'll like it as well if not more (knowing your passion for crabs). No chicken broth, fish & fin based, clear, with some glass noodles and crab meat. You're very right, most women would be glad to accept the invitation for home made dinner by man. I'm not the exeption, only I don't eat meat, but I'm sure it won't be a problem. I believe there's lots of dishes In Indonesian cuisine made of fish or seafood, dry white sounds perfect. I also hope that as a good host you'll take good care of my fingers.

[Nataliya]

Well,if at your age you can go to forum and have fun- so can I. Biologically I'm few years older then you, experiencewise as well as in depth knowledge, however-we have an abyss between us. At your age,unlike you I was already exploring the world as a part of missionary,not bullshittling some gullible guys around here hiding behing the veil of innocence. Do you have any objection to that?! Obviously something made you think that I'm actually older then I am. I'm surprised though, how could that possibly happen,considering that primerily I was trained as a "dumb nurse", as you described that honourable profession in one of your posts (General discussion "Employment prospects" by Saint Katya). So,Katya do you think only not so clever girls are going for the medical school, ha? How "superbly" ignorant of you! Also,if ever anything happen to you and should you require medical attention, I hope you realize that your life could depend on one of them "dumb things". You don't think that only doctors do the trick,do you?
Let's see what "smart" future chemists-biologists,like yourself do to kill the time? Feeding a bunch of bull to some nice guys on the dating forum, showing off their self pronounced innocence and great believes in family values? Oh,and after -"knock some of them down unconscious" by exposing your true face?! Is that a new form of entertainment,Katya? Something to tickle your sences with? I hope you've at least got the kick out of it,so not everyone ended up so miserable.


I should admit-you're right in one thing- even after 300 letters you might never know the person, if that person is playing dirty games and wishes to keep the false pretences. But sooner or later the "guano" comes up on a surface, matter of time.

You're saying 99% of Russian girls are saying that they don't want to marry foreign man? Really?! Have a reality check,Katya!! LOL You're saying it's just 1% of profiles out on the Internet? Don't think so. I'm somewhat sure you'll be among those who wants to leave the grim reality at any cost. Can't blame you though, worth a try. There's lots of jerks out there in need of a submissive free help. As a kind person I wish you never come across one. Whatch out though,with those games of yours- lots of them will be tempted.

Don't feel sorry for me, Juliet, I'm not the one to be pitied here. LOL I know what I want and I have what I need. If ever need more- I'll go and get it.

[Tom]

American Law School afterwords
Do you mind if I ask which school you attended?
Just curious

[katya]

Natasha, I was think , you are near 24. Am I mistaken ? ;)

[Nataliya]

Dear Katya,

Sure I've seen the film, I've seen all of them. Yeah, the abyss we have, there is no deeper or more shallow, the word is selfexplanatory. My suspicion- was just proven- you are indeed ignorant and if you're not sure about the meaning of the word- do look at the dictionary by all means. Nurse it's not my life achievment, but vocation. Do you know the meaning of love and compassion to human, coz it doesn't look like it. Any stupid schoolgirl read the Romeo and Juliet, it was compulsory,no big deal.Didn't want to be a doctor, already got one in the family, my mom.Even now at the radical change of my career I don't find it shameful nor embarrasing to volunteer at the hospital, just because I want to help and I can.I'm not in the run for "prestige", something you'll never comprehend. Work on your project, best of luck, at the end you'll get your $40 a month worth for all your great discovery. It's a shame you didn't understand even half of my message- next time use a translator, might help.

You know the difference between love and lust- good for you!! Try to explain it to the guy you wiped your feet off, he might believe you, or not?? Foul language you say? Someone is still stunned by your great performance!! LOL You nailed it, darling.
I believe you are really truly happy in your lovely city,not that I care. Russia is not so bad, ha, did you come up to that conclusion right now??? Because a week ago you had so different opinion, what's changed?!! Got a raise??!!Don't want to run away? So what are you doing here writing to all those foreign men- telling porkies?!! Seems so. Go on, some still might swallow your crap, at the end of the day- one who does- well deserve it, as he might not be called an intelligent man. He'll pay for it big time after.

For the clever girl you claim to be- you pay too much attention of what is prestige or not. Does it really matter? Is that what you want from your life- being accepted into the "society"??!!!! Get a mandatory diploma and put the stamp in the passport?! What about life?!! You're sooo shallow, Katya, but then it's no big news, just one have to look through your posts.

[Vicky]

I guess from now on guys here will keep silence watching over the play, as always women fighting is what men just love to watch. Another thing men know is the danger of interfering coz it might be risky attracting attention of two girls in the middle of the fight.
A brief note for both girls - i'm sure none of you considers this to be a fight, and each of you is right, it's just an opinion of an observer.
Well, since i'm of the same clan i clearly see what's going on here, and hope i'm allowed to give my view of this.
So, let me start addressing Katya first. We, you and me, came to this dating forum almost at one time, i tried never to argue with you since each of us has the right to her own outlook. If you recollect the history i rarely agreed to you, i'm just not that naive or not pretending at least i'm naive. Most of the time you were trying to show how careful and merciful and pityful you are - mind, i'm not objecting you are, just stressing all the time you're such an angel i considered to be cute http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif You rarely understood what i was trying to say with my postings here but were fast to claim my attitude was not correct, even though - and it's a different thing with Nataliya's case here - i'm much older than you are if it matters to you (not to me though) and thus i've got all the rights to have an opinion of my own which is first of all experience-based. I shouldn't say i guess that at times i was just giggling at what you were writing.
When Nataliya appeared at the forum and sort of expressed her attitude to you, you should remember that, i was defending you asking her to be softer. But - and this is why i'm writing this right now - after your two last posts i guess i have to tell you that now it is you who're trying to break a war, especially by using russian which intended only for those who understand. Look at how you construct your sentences, dear my they're insulting.
I've got no idea of what Nataliya's referring to speaking about knocking guys off, i might have some guesses, but won't deal with this.
My point addressing you - go on being here, giving advice if you think you can give some reasonable pieces, go on waiting for prince charming rejecting "garbage men" (where were your ideas of true love by the way when you rejected garbage men long ago), and please, don't try to offend people, especially if your knowledge of them equals to absolute zero.

Now to Nataliya. My apologies for telling earlier that it was you who were offending sweet little angel. You're an interesting person to talk to, everyone will agree to this, so...don't let your comfort of attending the forum being spoiled by people who don't have a clear idea of what you mean when writing here. Just a waste of time and nerves. Same piece of advice if ever you need it - just be here regardless.

[Nataliya]

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[picasso_bruce]

Hi I am new here so please forgive any false "Netiquette". What I would like to know is - How much is enough money?
Of course, as a newbie I have many other questions - but I haven't managed to find my way around the webb site yet, so I don't want to ask them and end up with jam all over my face (althoguh if it is home made then maybe I might!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[MartinUK]

Bruce,
Welcome but please redefine your question: Enough money for what?

Hi MartinUK, I thought I had posted a reply in the thread that had that list of suggestions for men - from an American. One of those was that the applicant (me) should have enough money. So I wondered how much was enough?
I also have a question I would like to pose on age. I am no spring chicken - but I do like younger ladies. What is a sensible age for a 50 year old man who looks 45 but feels 16?
(well, some of the time)? I know that younger girls are not mature enough - but my expereince with ladies from East Europe is that they mature much quicker than ENglsih ones. I am looking for 30 +. BUt I would be glad for input here.
Have a good one.

[MartinUK]

Bruce,
I say this as a 'rule of thumb' and mean no disrespect to any ladies.
At 50 I am sure you may be able to find a 20 or so year old lady but you're going to need a hell of a lot of money to maintain her. You will also be able to find a lady much nearer your own age and need relatively little money.
In the dating process you'll need enough money to make probably several trips (a week at a time) to FSU allowing for air travel, accommodation, spending money etc. and thereafter money for your lady to travel to you along with her immigration costs. It's also going to cost you travel for her/you to return to her country once or twice each year.
If you find the right lady then thereafter you'll need much the same amount of money as any couple need to lead a comfortable life.
If you meet the wrong lady then I suggest you start making friends with your bank manager now!

MartinUK
writes:
"...
I say this as a 'rule of thumb' and mean no disrespect to any ladies.
At 50 I am sure you may be able to find a 20 or so year old lady but you're going to need a hell of a lot of money to maintain her. You will also be able to find a lady much nearer your own age and need relatively little money.
...."

-And let me for once not talk money, but age (and -difference):

On one site I just entered my own age and got a "match" of over 3000 women.
When I entered my own (more realistic ?) age bracket requirement plus a requirement for English language, the "match" was reduced to 50!
I am tempted to suggest that the Agency and/or the women "cast a very wide net".

van

PS Sorry for my bad manners. Of course I should have called the women 'ladies' (until proven otherwise). I guess they are. But I am not sure they are 100% serious.

How is the proper way to bring up sexual matters with a Russian woman? Should you ask her first if she is a virgin?

[mary]

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[MartinUK]

Marc Anthony,
There is one subject that she never be spoken about in letters or telephone.

MartinUK said:"Marc Anthony,
There is one subject that she never be spoken about in letters or telephone. "

Then how do you know if you are compatible?

[MartinUK]

Marc Anthony,
What is compatible?

How are you going to know if you are compatible by talking about sex in letters?

If you meet a respectable and pretty lady in your home town you may think this lady is pleasant and pretty and you would like to date her, you ask her for a date, she says yes and on that and subsequent dates, because you are serious about this lady, you are on your best behaviour. At a subsequent time in the relationship you will find yourself in a bedroom with this lady and that is when you start to learn about each other sexually.

Or do you, on that first meeting and before your first date, ask her if she is a virgin and other sexually explicit questions?

These ladies receive umpteen letters from jerk-off's out there who only write to these ladies for one reason, some guys even send nude photo's of themselves.

If you meet the right type of FSU lady then she will be very respectable and like any true lady, will not degrade herself by talking about such personal things with a guy she hasn't met. This doesn't mean to say, that once the two of you are together, she won't be open to sexual relations with you, it just means that some things are never spoken about in letters.