I'm looking for a Russian (CIS) girl because... [Archive]

10-26-2002, 06:01 AM

Hi guys,
I've been looking thru your posts in the forum and decided to try to get a clearer idea of what a majority is looking for when they say they are looking for a Russian (CIS) girl. With this purspose I made a small poll. I understand that it is very general and there are lots of other things you might be looking for, but the features I put inside the poll are the most frequent in your answers.
So. Let's work together and try to select the most searched feature.
If there's anything I omitted or you'd rather correct me, or anything you'd like to comment on - please do that, it'll help me a lot (and for sure not only me but many girls who are coming to this forum)
I like the statistical analysis of the survey, but I could not get access to it. I know I am not the most proficient computer guy on this web site. I am sure I am doing something wrong. But i have no tquite figured it out, yet! Pretty lame,huh?! Anyways, I hope the survey shows most men in a "positive light". Cheers Byoof http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . PS I used two of those smiling, dopey faces because that is how I feel right now!!! Perhaps I should have used more, eh?!!!!! Later

imported_admin

10-26-2002, 09:06 AM

I like the statistical analysis of the survey, but I could not get access to it.
Only registered users have access to voting. Please register, it is easy and free.

10-26-2002, 12:03 PM

I look here because America women are snobs for the most part, and I am tired of playing thier stupid games.

Disgrunted
Matt

Vicky

10-26-2002, 02:24 PM

Hi, byoof,
the poll hasn't been created with one purpose - to help men to show themselves in a "positive light". It is supposed to reveal the preferances, and I was not expecting everyone would click "family-oriented" coz it just looks so nice http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif like - "see girls, it doesn't matter whether you're smart or cute, just let family be your first priority and we'll cope with everything else". I doubt that's the average attitude http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I want to know the criteria, well not to make a portrait of an ideal wife-to-be, but to get to know what you men expect to find. I'm sure there are lots of other things that are not less important for you, and I won't so far judge by the 5 votes above, I would rather wait and watch http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

And I wonder what "stupid games" women play http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

10-26-2002, 05:51 PM

I believe that Russian women are among the women of our world who love unconditionally their gender, their man and family. At least much more all the above compare to most women from the western world.

It is true that this wonderfull mentallity not always appreciated, somehow this is a result of this wonderfull mentallity, so not everyone in the western world is ready to admire a Russian lady. But, as it is said " the bed you choose, the bed you sleep".

But I can't choose only the one of the "five" to vote. And....I think you must replace the one of the alternatives there.............

Vasilios

10-26-2002, 09:43 PM

Hi, byoof,
the poll hasn't been created with one purpose - to help men to show themselves in a "positive light". It is supposed to reveal the preferances, and I was not expecting everyone would click "family-oriented" coz it just looks so nice http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif like - "see girls, it doesn't matter whether you're smart or cute, just let family be your first priority and we'll cope with everything else". I doubt that's the average attitude http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I want to know the criteria, well not to make a portrait of an ideal wife-to-be, but to get to know what you men expect to find. I'm sure there are lots of other things that are not less important for you, and I won't so far judge by the 5 votes above, I would rather wait and watch http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

And I wonder what "stupid games" women play http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hi Vicky, nah, I know what you are saying is true. I hope that all men are honest in how they answer this questionaire. There are many men who would say that getting a girl in "the sack" is the most important thing. I just hope that the men that take your wonderful survey don't belittle it because of their immaturity. In answer to your second question. Girls in Canada and the US, play games with men. Not all girls, mind you, but some. The games they play are like this, they will hold you in their glance. Or they will flurt with you and hoping that you will make an advance. Then when you do, they mention the fact that they have a boyfriend, or something like that. Giving out fake phones numbers, not returning calls,etc. Or the most famous one, "I can't go out because I must wash my hair". I actually had one where the girl had to wash HER GRANNIES' HAIR. Another time, I asked a woman for a dance, because she was smiling and waving me over. When I asked her to dance she introduced her boyfriend to me, after he came out of the bathroom. One aquaintance of mine was in Toronto. He wanted to buy a pair of jeans. He went into this store, called The Gap. He bought his jeans and the counterperson was interested in him. She wrote in his bag on a piece of paper that he was "cute". He travelled back into Toronto to pursue her. He went back to the store and asked for her number. She said,"why would I want to give you my number?" My mate said, "well, here is the note you left in my bag". She said, "yeah, so what"?!!!! He said, "is this common practice of you to TEASE your customers". She said, "well, deal with it".
Many women love to TEASE a man because if the man is interested, the girl's esteem has been lifted. And that was all the girl needed. I am not saying all girls are like this, but some are. And that is why I am looking for something more real. I believe Russian women are not that way. I went out with a Russian girl, who is now Canadian. She was so honest and decent. When I asked her out, she was real about it. There was no teasing or playing games. I hope that answers your question. Kudo, Vicky for the survey. Great stuff. Cheers Byoof http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

10-28-2002, 06:00 AM

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Russian girl is known what she wants in life with a man. She is one girl man, BUT her dreaming man.

Yours, Bardya
Tokyojibika@yahoo.com

10-28-2002, 06:59 PM

My main answer would have to be that she is family-oriented---although CIS girls DO seem to be both more beautiful and more educated and charming at ALL ages than their American counterparts. I see a more mature sensibility in most CIS girls, a deeper willingness to take a chance with lifelong devotion and commitment, and of course, how can an American guy, living in a land where obesity is almost the norm rather than the exception, resist the angel faces and lovely sensual bodies of such beautiful Eastern European girls? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Vicky

10-28-2002, 11:18 PM

I can't call teasing men a stupid game, this is what every woman likes doing, coz by doing that she indeed checks if she's attractive, and every morning of a woman should start with her being sure she's attractive, otherwise... guys, you'd be living in such a dull world http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Of course if talking about serious dating stuff teasing mentioned by byoff (thanks for appreciating the survey http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) is another thing, honesty is what should be taken into account. But still I can't call a shop-girl writing "cute" on a jeans bad "stupid" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

To Lance - Russian girls should like your opinion http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif My guess - there are way too many MD's and pizza-huts in the US http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Barracuda

10-29-2002, 04:47 AM

The main reasons I'm searching for a Russian or CIS woman to marry is because her family orientation is similar to the way I was raised and expect in my future wife. The added bonus is that most are much more educated and beautiful than their American counterparts. Also they seem to enjoy being treated like the ladies they are without being offended like their American counterparts. I work hard and expect a certain amount of respect for my efforts and from my experience American women just want you to work harder so they can get the next biggest SUV in the driveway, or a bigger house, or more expensive furniture, etc...

Barracuda

10-29-2002, 07:25 AM

I can't call teasing men a stupid game, this is what every woman likes doing, coz by doing that she indeed checks if she's attractive, and every morning of a woman should start with her being sure she's attractive, otherwise... guys, you'd be living in such a dull world http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Of course if talking about serious dating stuff teasing mentioned by byoff (thanks for appreciating the survey http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) is another thing, honesty is what should be taken into account. But still I can't call a shop-girl writing "cute" on a jeans bad "stupid" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

To Lance - Russian girls should like your opinion http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif My guess - there are way too many MD's and pizza-huts in the US http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
You are right, in most respects,Vicky. But I still felt bad for my mate "woodssy". If the woman liked my mate she should have been honest about it. Or not say that he was cute. I think that was very deceitful. Especially, when my mate lived in Oakville, about 35 km away from Toronto. That is a long way to travel to be turned down like that. The counter person could have been a little nicer about it. Anyways, management was on my mate's side and she ended up getting fired. I guess management did not like her attitude, either. Just an opinion for all my fellow mates who had things like this happen to them. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Cheers Byoof

Vicky

10-29-2002, 09:16 AM

Oh no!! Fired just because she wrote that "cute" word! What a shauvinistic example of treating girls http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
She just wanted to compliment a guy and got fired for that http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif poor sweet thing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

10-29-2002, 09:44 AM

Oh no!! Fired just because she wrote that "cute" word! What a shauvinistic example of treating girls http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
She just wanted to compliment a guy and got fired for that http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif poor sweet thing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
It is all in the way you perceive it. You had to be there, kinda deal. I assure you, she was NOT a poor sweet thing!!And a woman fired her. The manageress of the shop. Sorry, Vicky, It was not a nice situation form mate! Cheers Byoof http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

10-29-2002, 10:18 AM

Well, a woman fired another woman because she wrote a "cute" message, telling someone he is cute""!

This someone drive back, 35km!!!!!!!, after found the cute message. What a sacrifice!

Imagine to need to walk to the end of the world for the eyes you really believe they are the heaven you may wish??

A)You can ask an Olympic Gold metal for your efforts, plus Nobel for your emotions!

B)Or you can just believe that these eyes are just the most beautiful eyes in this world, so take your shoes and GO( No, there is no straight Bus line).

Choose, the chose you make is what you need...

Vasilios

10-29-2002, 11:08 AM

Well, a woman fired another woman because she wrote a "cute" message, telling someone he is cute""!

This someone drive back, 35km!!!!!!!, after found the cute message. What a sacrifice!

Imagine to need to walk to the end of the world for the eyes you really believe they are the heaven you may wish??

A)You can ask an Olympic Gold metal for your efforts, plus Nobel for your emotions!

B)Or you can just believe that these eyes are just the most beautiful eyes in this world, so take your shoes and GO( No, there is no straight Bus line).

Choose, the chose you make is what you need...

Vasilios
Ok you guys, you are missing the point here a bit. This girl was flagrantly flirting with my mate. She was touchy feely with him for about 20 minutes. My mate, woodssy, was getting somewhat aroused. I had to leave because my mate was going to ask her out. He, of course, never did because of possible rejection. When I came back he was ready to leave. Then we drove him back home. He put on his jeans and noticed the note. He asked me to drive him back into Toronto. He is my friends, I naturally concurred. And that was when he approached her again. She acted very badly to him and he complained and showed the note to the manageress. She AGREED that it was not appropriate behaviour for her and thus she became redundant. Think of it this way, Vicky and guys, If someone asked you out and showed interest in you, and you in them. And you don't show up for the date, because you did not want to be bother. How would you feel? Betrayed, perhaps deceived, etc. But you would not feel very good!!!! The main point is that men want honesty. For most men, it take some effort to ask a girl out. I strongly believe that most want to have the facts clear and perceptions true to mitigate rejection. My mate is a very nice looking guy and he thought that there was something when there was not. But the girl did not honestly convey her true feelings to him, (i.e. friendship, not a dating material) and my friend somewhat humilated. I felt for him. What can I say, I am just a compassionate,empathetic kinda guy. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Cheers Byoof

Vicky

10-29-2002, 11:23 AM

Ok, byoff, I agree that girl probably shouldn't have played with your friend's emotions, the second time I mean. Most probably she shouldn't have even started this. But. You really think complaining to manageress when being rejected is worth a man? Even if that girl was not a poor little thing, still what happened was something between these two people and definitely shouldn't have involved anyone else, especially a person that girl was dependant on. That's my opinion.

10-29-2002, 11:59 AM

Ok, byoff, I agree that girl probably shouldn't have played with your friend's emotions, the second time I mean. Most probably she shouldn't have even started this. But. You really think complaining to manageress when being rejected is worth a man? Even if that girl was not a poor little thing, still what happened was something between these two people and definitely shouldn't have involved anyone else, especially a person that girl was dependant on. That's my opinion.
You pose an interesting and inciteful point.

Vicky

10-29-2002, 11:33 PM

Poll interim observation - well well, 13 votes with over 200 registered. Only 13 are honest and clear about what they want http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Not counting of course those who posted here...

Byoff,
excuses for going on with your friend http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As you said he considers himself "a ladies man" - what's that after I read the story of that girl? Would love to have a psychology insight http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
As for me I somehow still sympathize more with that girl than with your friend, coz she is the less protected side here. I wonder if that kind of man like your friend comes to Russia after communicating for some time with a girl here and suddenly realizes he's not wanted here... No offence, byoff, but he looks like a man who'd run back to airlines office claiming ticket price back coz he spent on nothing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Your "let it go" attitude seems much more attractive. And a question which is not my business of course - he's still looking for someone or already found a soul mate? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

10-30-2002, 03:11 AM

Poll interim observation - well well, 13 votes with over 200 registered. Only 13 are honest and clear about what they want http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Not counting of course those who posted here...

Byoff,
excuses for going on with your friend http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As you said he considers himself "a ladies man" - what's that after I read the story of that girl? Would love to have a psychology insight http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
As for me I somehow still sympathize more with that girl than with your friend, coz she is the less protected side here. I wonder if that kind of man like your friend comes to Russia after communicating for some time with a girl here and suddenly realizes he's not wanted here... No offence, byoff, but he looks like a man who'd run back to airlines office claiming ticket price back coz he spent on nothing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Your "let it go" attitude seems much more attractive. And a question which is not my business of course - he's still looking for someone or already found a soul mate? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hi Vicky. You are right about him.That ladies man attitude is bogus. I may not always think clearly, but I am loyal to my friends. As for my friend, he's in Vancouver and still unattached. I agree that he needs an attitude adjustment. But what can I say, it is his life and he leads it. I know one thing, he will probably never find his Soul mate. He does not think that way. I think that he is very lonely, though http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif . But I always have been there for him, because we are mates. One thing he does admire about me is that all the relationships I had, were all honest and passionate http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif . I feel lucky in that respect. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Cheers Vicky. Byoof

10-31-2002, 07:28 PM

I work very hard at making a living. Maybe it is my fault but the more I share the more western women want. Family is important, looks and body build important, lifestyle is important, However for me, I would like to like to think that money (or citizenship) is not the sole foundation for a relationship. Somehow, if I could leave it all behind I would become a gentleman farmer in a small town in the British Isles with a woman that could weather the solitude.

Vicky

11-01-2002, 11:59 PM

Simon,
but you're not looking for a farmer girl right? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

iceman7311979

11-02-2002, 11:17 AM

It really depends on HOW the woman is teasing.

iceman7311979

11-02-2002, 11:47 AM

I have added a similar Poll to this one.

11-04-2002, 04:41 PM

Why not a farm girl?

11-04-2002, 05:22 PM

At age 55, I took a chance and married a Russian woman here in the U.S. This is my second marriage. My first marriage was to an American woman, so I've "been around the block", maritally speaking. The cold war may be over between the old Soviet Union and the U.S., but, ideologically, it rages on between American men and women-- and, frankly, I have no time for rehashing the past indignities and resentments of born-again U.S. femi-nazis. That sums up my first marriage. My Russian-born wife, now a U.S. citizen, is honest, loving, trusting and above all--- LOYAL. She has no secret agendas. She's devoted to me, as I am to her. American women: check your seething desires for revenge against past hurts inflicted on you-- real or imagined-- at the door. It appears Russian women learned all about that centuries ago. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Canuck

11-04-2002, 09:35 PM

I did in fact marry a wonderful milk maid from an eastern European country, but that was 25 years ago and she was killed in a car accident 3 years ago. People talk about a sense of family, and it is very true. Her family and her relationship with them was completely different than I enjoyed with mine. My family and I were close, but we were competitive and argumentative. They were essentially my business friends and her family became my warm and loving one. There was love and happiness in each but it was only shared in her family. Men kissed and hugged, they cried and they complimented each other. It was very strange for me but I opened up and loved the transformation in myself. I understand the sense of family and unselfish love between a couple. Because I had it.

I seek an Eastern European woman again for my beloved. A woman who will be unselfish and will share herself with me. A woman who lets herself feel more than a North American woman. Russian women seem to me to have a greater romantic soul and a more giving heart. You can see it in their eyes, their smiles and definitely their touch. They would be deadly to an unsuspecting man if they used these weapons for harm. So I hope that most of the girls on this site are serious about finding happiness rather than a visa. : ) My reason for seeking an Eastern European woman is not offered in your poll. I think they are more in touch with their feelings and offer a kinder purer heart. If a man is sincere and easy going, unselfish and nice, he will find no better woman. You must choose wisely but the calibre of women are so much better than in North America. Sadly. When such a woman loves you, they give you everything they have. It feels amazing to return such love.

PS The Canadian guy from Vancouver is a dick for getting the smart-ass chick fired.

11-04-2002, 09:57 PM

My mate is suffering right now! Mate. I agree, what comes around, goes around. But he is my mate. I think he is thinking of "coming out of the closet". Maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know. But he is in Van and I am in TO so we don't talk to each other very much anymore. Cheers Byoof

11-05-2002, 07:16 AM

My goodness....I see I've missed out on a lot? Teases, farm girls, "cute"---
I see a lot of thoughts here that hit the mark as far as I'm concerned. I have to agree with the "femi-nazi" attitude (i.e. the infamous Antioch College "dating code"); ever since I was roundly denounced as a chauvinist pig for holding the door for a "lady" I've been all too keenly aware of the systematic deconstruction by the politically correct media/academia establishment of true femininity in the USA--and the corresponding self-inflicted loneliness of theAmerican woman, as well as the deer-in-the-headlights helplessness of the average American Joe-Six-pack to deal with her mis-focused anger and "come-here-go-away" desperation.
BTW, Vicky---right on! The fast-food/thunder-thighs connection is all too apt. I know---for every CIS gal, a loving and genuine American guy...and for every American gal, a Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise. Happiness for all concerned.
(do I sound bitter? Woner why...)

11-07-2002, 04:28 AM

I WENT TO ST. PETERSBURG, RUSSIA WITH AFA AND HAD A WONDERFUL TIME. EVERYTHING THAT THEY PROMISED WAS DELIVERED. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MEET HUNDREDS OF WOMEN AND MOST OF THEM ARE HONEST. THERE IS SOME SCAMMERS. MY FAULT WAS I WENT OVER THERE WITH MY HEART SET ON ONE GIRL. I LIKED HER MORE THAN SHE LIKED ME. I WILL GO BACK SOON AND MARRY A RUSSIAN/UKRANIAN WIFE. IF I CAN GIVE SOMEONE A BETTER LIFE AND MAKE HER HAPPY THAN MY LIFE WAS WORTH WHILE. MY SUGGESTION IS TO GO TO RUSSIA AND FIND A WIFE. YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.

11-08-2002, 05:44 AM

There is no shortage of beautiful women in Canada but in a city like Toronto the majority of them still play the same old game of what is your job? what do you drive? what does your dad do? blah, blah, blah. I can't believe on this site how many young russian women (22-30) are looking for marriage. Women that age in Toronto are looking for the meal ticket who has a condo in Florida and a cottage in the Muskokas, or are too busy partying their faces off and living paycheck to paycheck. I am new to the site and have yet to chat with any of the women but their profiles tell you a lot about how simple their desires are. The women on the Canadian dating sites throw all this crap in about poetry & mystery and if you can guess what the meaning is of a certain quote from Tolstoy is "then we should talk". No wonder men can never figure out what the #### they want. Besides none of them even know how to cook anymore. They'd rather spend $100 getting their nails done than learn something of value. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Wish me luck with this Russian thing. Maybe one day I will be the proud father of a super Canadian-Russian hockey player named Sergei Sakic or Nicolai Lemieux. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Vicky

11-11-2002, 03:01 AM

Let me wish you luck, looking for the girl who's not s http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
You're right, wishes and desires of an average FSU woman are simple, what they most look for is care and a chance to fall in love. I rarely met a girl whose primary interest was a brand new car of her new boyfriend or a villa in Mayami, a nice wooden hut would do http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif FSU women rarely have too many expectations, though it might depend on their own level, both material and cultural. Thru talking to some girls who wanted to marry a foreigner I noticed only few who, say, having a university degree, wanted to marry a shop-assistant. Everything should be balanced. There's another point of course - a woman might try to change something and turn that shop-assistant into a successful businessman, if the man allows for sure. There's a saying that behind every successful man there's a wise woman.
Oh, and we too think of our nails http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif A woman should look after herself, otherwise she's losing self-confidence and then even a natural beauty might turn into a grey mouse you wouldn't ever look at.

11-11-2002, 08:49 PM

well said, Vicky, http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
are you single? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
only kidding....

Tom

11-12-2002, 01:02 AM

You're right, wishes and desires of an average FSU woman are simple, what they most look for is care and a chance to fall in love. I rarely met a girl whose primary interest was a brand new car of her new boyfriend or a villa in Mayami, a nice wooden hut would do http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif FSU women rarely have too many expectations, though it might depend on their own level, both material and cultural.
Hi,
First, before I comment, I would like to give a little insight as to where I am coming from.

Tom

11-12-2002, 02:26 AM

This post concerns the poll. Rather than explain what I am looking for, I would like to talk about what I have learned from first hand experience with a friend of mine and his Russian wife, and from the internet.
I have a good friend, Adam, who married a Russian woman. He is a very generous guy who will go out of his way to help anyone who needs it, even strangers. He is one of those guys who never seem to have a problem with attracting women. But he never seemed to stay with any one woman for very long. I never really thought about why.
Adam started writing this Russian girl from Sevastopol. And he kept trying to get me to write them, too. He would tell me

Vicky

11-12-2002, 05:17 AM

Hi, Tom,
interesting posts these are. It will be difficult to comment very item of them, maybe step by step. I'm the first to answer here because I created the above poll, and though not many voted, the tendency is more or less clear - family oriented rulez http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I wonder too what most of men who chose the first option thought of, were they just missing care, quiet family life, wife's support or anything else. Let me doubt anyone will say he's looking for someone to control - though subconscious expectations might be slightly of that character but who knows which side the coin shows.
Men in a family traditionally control events, or if to put it in another words, women let them control because of love. Some of them. Others, if we're talking about a woman's moving to another country, allow this controlling being aware of measures to be taken to a woman, like that deporting thing you mentioned. It's really hard for a woman to leave for good overseas, when everything she got used to is left behind and the only person she can rely on after the move is her husband, who may start behaving differently from what she thought when they were dating. What is she supposed to do it a person who looked at her with adoration, wrote poems, showered with flowers, caresses and stuff, suddenly turns into someone she doesn't know? Don't tell me this possibly can not happen. So if this happens, should she try to take back what she gave? I mean the right to control events.
Well, that's all too pessimistic, it's just that yesterday I got a letter from a friend of mine who married a German guy, and things described there shocked me. Hopefully it's an exception rather than a rule.
Matter of control though is important, and what do you think about the following scenario - when a woman is somehow deprived of that control right, physically or mentally, she gets her compensation for that, demanding this or that, behaving in the way her husband didn't expect of her, etc.
As for another point of yours - FSU women, I will stress that, do have simpler wishes because instability of the state easily turns a rich into a poor and vice versa, and most of us here learned to stick to the middle, be satisfied with less and don't rush for excessive. This instability, however, gave birth to wish for independence, when a woman can not totally rely on the state represented mostly by men. She learns to survive herself, and when she's put under a strict control, she may rebel... gosh, I'm about the control stuff over again http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I'd rather stop then and come back when the sun shines http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

katya

11-12-2002, 03:51 PM

Hi , Tom !
It was very interesting to read your words .
I want to tell you , that really woman can be disappointed. Woman , who using Internet and know English ( ever a little ) and may be not only English , but 2-3 another language too , as a rule have high education. They listen good music , read a lot of books , they like to do a lot of different things.
Such woman meets man in Internet. She thinks, that hi is like she. She write letters to he, he answer. They meet in real , may be ever 2 or 3 times , and marrying.
She is go to his country.
And here is starts problems. First of all, he want that she will not work , and will be only at home. She haven

Tom

11-13-2002, 01:14 AM

Let me explain more about Adam and Svetlana, so that you understand better what I am thinking. I think their relationship should be understood, because I think it is common with men who marry foreign wives.
Adam is a good man, but he is not a very good husband. He was already divorced once before he married Sveta. (He was married to a girl from his home town, not a foreign woman.) His first marriage was very short. And as I said before, he never had a girlfriend for very long, when I knew him. I now think that he is one of those men who does not know how to treat a woman. He is not abusive, but he is very selfish and a little bit controlling. Let me tell you a story that will show you how selfish he is:
One night, Adam was supposed to take Sveta to a restaurant for dinner. Sveta asked me if I wanted to go with them, so I did. Sveta has a job (the same place that I work) and had worked that day. Adam did not have to work that day. But when Adam came to Sveta

Tom

11-13-2002, 01:59 AM

What is she supposed to do if a person who looked at her with adoration, wrote poems, showered with flowers, caresses and stuff, suddenly turns into someone she doesn't know? Don't tell me this possibly can not happen. So if this happens, should she try to take back what she gave? I mean the right to control events.
I do not know the answer to that question. But it is a man's instinct to resist control. As a man, my advice to a woman would to be to take control back from the man, by whatever means necessary. But then maybe this is not good advice for a woman. I wish I knew.
For example, I wish Sveta would take control of her life. She has a job, and therefore money. And she has a car. (Do not under-estimate the importance of a car for independence in America. The automobile is practically an Icon for independence here!) And she is not meek. She has a certain strength of character. But she is afraid to use it to gain her independence. She will not be happy unless she has the ability to take care of her own wants and needs.
And I believe it is true for almost any woman. It is a good thing for a man and a woman to rely on each other. That is what marriage is about. But if one person is TOO dependant on the other, and the other takes advantage of that for selfish purposes, then that is not a good relationship. I believe, the only way to solve that problem is for the dependent one to take control back for themselves.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say! I am trying to keep my posts short and understandable. But it seem to be very difficult to do! I took two semesters of Russian in college (many years back) and I could never translate such posts myself, if they were in Russian!

Tom

Tom

11-13-2002, 02:17 AM

[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Nov. 12 2002,07:17)]Matter of control though is important, and what do you think about the following scenario - when a woman is somehow deprived

Tom

11-13-2002, 02:35 AM

[QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 12 2002,17:51)]I want to tell you , that really woman can be disappointed.

katya

11-13-2002, 04:22 AM

What I

Tom

11-15-2002, 03:05 AM

[quote=Tom,Nov. 13 2002,04:35]
I

Vicky

11-15-2002, 09:47 AM

Unless you're Mel Gibson and being struck while using hairdryer http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

katya

11-16-2002, 04:08 PM

Tom.
Really , a lot of women telling it - may be , because it is true ?
And men don

Maroossia

11-16-2002, 06:17 PM

Tom, could you please tell us about how the relationship between Adam and Sveta would develop (I mean after he started corresponding with her - until Sveta arrived to the US)? Were there any signs or red flags at that time of what's been happening since her arrival? ... And then - how come that they still got married if they were fighting after she arrived?

Another point - is there a chance for a Russian girl who would ask her foreign boyfriend what his job is, what he drives, what he wears, if it's a flat or a house that he lives in, to get married... If yes, then what's the difference between American and Russian ladies... You said, Adam would fear that Sveta might get the American ladies' ideas... But if a Russian lady gets too much independence, I think she becomes more like a native lady

katya

11-16-2002, 06:56 PM

of course, it is only ideal.
Tom was want to understand , what want woman - in ideal. I hope , that such man are real.
and I so want to fins he http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)))) and you too http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif))))
and every from women.

Jon

11-16-2002, 07:09 PM

[quote=Tom,Nov. 15 2002,05:05]
Tom.
Really , a lot of women telling it -

katya

11-16-2002, 07:20 PM

Jon .. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif but you look for this woman in Russia ( or China )))
I give you advisw. Never tell Russian woman , that she is like woman from China.
every woman is mystery. try to guess! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
and more. who lloking for - that will find. Ever in America http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Jon

11-16-2002, 07:26 PM

[quote=Jon,Nov. 16 2002,21:09]
Jon .. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Tom

11-16-2002, 07:31 PM

every woman is mystery. try to guess! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But you just said "there are no ancient mysteries" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Jon

11-16-2002, 07:32 PM

[QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 16 2002,21:20)]every woman is mystery. try to guess! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But you just said "there are no ancient mysteries"

Tom

11-16-2002, 07:35 PM

[QUOTE= (Tom @ Nov. 16 2002,21:31)][QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 16 2002,21:20)]every woman is mystery. try to guess! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But you just said "there are no ancient mysteries"

katya

11-16-2002, 07:37 PM

Jon . I am agree with you . And I am not looking for man. Usually people looking for me http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif It is more interesting.
And I don't want surprises http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I simply want happyness. as you , and a lot of another people too http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)))

Tom

11-16-2002, 07:37 PM

[QUOTE= (Jon @ Nov. 16 2002,21:32)][QUOTE= (Tom @ Nov. 16 2002,21:31)][QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 16 2002,21:20)]every woman is mystery. try to guess! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But you just said "there are no ancient mysteries"

Jon

11-16-2002, 07:38 PM

katya

11-16-2002, 07:42 PM

Tom , read better!
I was tell , that there isn't any ancient mysteries:)))

Tom

11-16-2002, 07:45 PM

Unless you're Mel Gibson and being struck while using hairdryer http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I know the movie that you speak of, but I havn't seen it.
I think the likelyhood of figuring out women is the same as the scenario in that movie coming true! And I do not even own a hair dryer! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Tom

11-16-2002, 07:48 PM

Tom , read better!
I was tell , that there isn't any ancient mysteries:)))
I know there is a difference http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But even that difference is a mystery to me! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
But I hope that I am not as naive as I sound.
I am only trying to learn. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Jon

11-16-2002, 07:49 PM

But i did have a 36 year old roommate in college who was a virgin. He was very strange. But I won't go there. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Tom,

If I didn't have sex for 36 years I be a little strange too. Maybe he was just trying to keep his mind off of you and stick to his studies?

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Jon

katya

11-16-2002, 07:53 PM

you not neeed in hair dryer. I have nice long hair , and I never usy it , becouse it only making harm fot my hair.:)))
SO , don't worry http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Jon

11-16-2002, 07:55 PM

[quote=Tom,Nov. 16 2002,21:45]
you not neeed in hair dryer.

Tom

11-16-2002, 07:58 PM

Katya,
Is this what you are saying?

A man needs to be strong, like a brick wall, between the woman and the world, but he must be nice and soft on the inside towards his women.

It sounds like a cell in an insane asylum!

And come to think of it, An insane asylum is what most marriages I know of do resemble! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

katya

11-16-2002, 07:58 PM

Turkish towel will help you better http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)
or ...

Jon

11-16-2002, 08:00 PM

[quote=Jon,Nov. 16 2002,21:55]
Turkish towel

katya

11-16-2002, 08:05 PM

Tom.
you can see men only as a man http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif))))
and the stronest man can purr with woman , like a kitten , little and softly. But if you will see, how his subordinates runing away from he , you will never tell, that this blood-thirsty lion CAN PURR!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Tom

11-16-2002, 08:13 PM

And Katya,

I think what you say makes much sense.

katya

11-16-2002, 08:19 PM

I wasn't meet such problens in life any time. If woman love you , she will go with you ever on football match. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)
and if you woman is andree, take flowers, go to her , give it to her and kiss her http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif))
and there isn't any problem more.

Tom

11-16-2002, 08:34 PM

Well, thankyou for your advice Katya.
I think it is very good. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I have been lucky.

Jon

11-16-2002, 08:38 PM

[QUOTE= (Tom @ Nov. 16 2002,22:34)]So I need to find me the right person, so that I do not worry so much about my friends problems! And then i can worry only about my own that my own woman gives me!

Tom

11-16-2002, 08:44 PM

[QUOTE= (Jon @ Nov. 16 2002,22:38)][QUOTE= (Tom @ Nov. 16 2002,22:34)]So I need to find me the right person, so that I do not worry so much about my friends problems! And then i can worry only about my own that my own woman gives me!

katya

11-16-2002, 09:04 PM

Tom! you are 32 , you aren't marry - look , how many girls are single! beauty , clever, intellegent, tender...
and , you know, men , which have wife, living more then men , who haven't http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif))

Tom

11-16-2002, 10:19 PM

Tom, could you please tell us about how the relationship between Adam and Sveta would develop (I mean after he started corresponding with her - until Sveta arrived to the US)? Were there any signs or red flags at that time of what's been happening since her arrival? ... And then - how come that they still got married if they were fighting after she arrived?
I met Adam when I was in college. He lived next door to me and we became friends. But after I graduated, I left and was traveling to different jobs etc. We communicated through email, and if I were passing by his town, I would stop and see him. This is the time when he was writing Sveta. So I do not know a lot of details about their communication. I moved to a town close to Adam about two months before Sveta came here. So I do know much about their relationship since then.

But here is something I heard Sveta say: "You cannot know somebody from letters." I think there communications went very well. They wrote letters emails some and talked on the phone often.

I think they communicated for almost a year before Adam visited her. He visited her for 1 week and spent 1 week with another friend in Germany (not a female friend, but a guy we both knew.) I talked to this guy recently, and he told me Adam was disappointed with his visit with Sveta. He said she was very nice, but Adam was complaining about her looks. Now Sveta is a pretty girl, but the pictures she sent Adam were VERY beautiful. But I still do not know what he was complaining about. She is still pretty. Looks should not matter THAT much. He told the friend in Germany that he probably would not marry her. But when I spoke to him back in the US, he was saying that he WOULD marry her.

Anyway he took a year to bring her over. It normally take about 6 months. But I think he was being indecisive. He was not really sure that he wanted to bring her over.
An important thing to remember is this: Men do not talk to each other the way women do. Women (I think) tell all kinds of secrets and feelings to each other. Men don't. So Adam tells Frank and I that he does not like her looks. But the truth may have been something else. Maybe they even argued on the visit. I don't know.

I do not know what Adam was telling her about himself. But he may not have been honest. Here is one very bad thing: He was divorced, but I THINK that he did not tell her this. I am not sure. She knows by now, of course.

Also, Adam was sending Sveta money when she was still in Sevastopol. And I THINK she may have been taking things from other men, too. And writing other men, too. Even just before she came here. There are many things that I heard and saw that make me believe this. But this post is too long already. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

But I do know that they were fighting when she got here. They had 3 months to get married, or Sveta would not be able to stay in the US. She was demanding that he marry her, and he did not want to. But then she got herself a plane ticket home, and he begged her to stay. So she did, and they got married on the very last week before Sveta would have to leave the country.

I have written a lot, but said very little. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
So I will have to continue later with some more 'salient' points.
But I think that you cannot know somebody from letters.
I know that Sveta would tell you that she did not know what Adam was like from phone conversations. And Adam has said that he did not know what she was like before she arrived here.

I think that this process (two people from distant places marrying) is a risk. Two strangers will marry each other and hope that things work. But there is a saying in capitalist countries http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif "There is no gain without risk."
And I have heard that such relationships last longer. But I don't know if it is true.

More later (if I haven't already bored you to tears http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )
Tom

Maroossia

11-16-2002, 11:15 PM

Thanks a lot, Tom. Not bored at all!

Will wait until you say all that you have to say (more salient points...), and then I'll be having more questions to you and some comments as well, if you don't mind...

Now, is Adam the same age as you? Sveta's age? What they are doing professionally? Where do they live in the US? Have they ever discussed a possibility of making a baby? ...

Vicky

11-16-2002, 11:24 PM

[QUOTE= (Tom @ Nov. 16 2002,22:44)]Isn't typical that we go in search of problems?

Jon

11-16-2002, 11:48 PM

[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Nov. 17 2002,01:24)][QUOTE= (Tom @ Nov. 16 2002,22:44)]Isn't typical that we go in search of problems?

Vicky

11-17-2002, 12:03 AM

[QUOTE= (Jon @ Nov. 17 2002,01:48)]Vicky,

Its not problems that make life interesting.

Jon

11-17-2002, 12:26 AM

[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Nov. 17 2002,02:03)]A challenge for me is something that has nothing to do with routine, say, finally travelling to China (and see if we're similar to Chinese women

Vicky

11-17-2002, 12:52 AM

*squinted her slanting eyes* may be... now I'm so much busy with learning how to draw hieroglyphs, but in the nearest future I'm going to take a couple of lessons on how to draw sun and grass http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

liam

11-17-2002, 03:33 AM

G'day jon,

So what do you reckon are the differences between russian/eu women?http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?, i haven't really got a lot of knowledge about russian girls personally speaking, i guess i have met a couple on my travels and they were cool but you've been there. I've spent a while in poland, romania, czech etc though, the girls i met there were 99 percent really sweet, maybe a little shy and demure but they were all very kind and would go out of there way to help (18 year old backpackers stuck in remote romanian towns often need it), the ones i got to know did'nt seem concerned that i possibly had more money than them, and they certainly did'nt try and rip me off. If anything they were a little embarresed about the whole money concern.
I'd be real interested to know what you or anyone else thinks are the 'differences', i'm not so sure there can be that many.
cheers liam

Tom

11-17-2002, 05:53 PM

Tom

11-17-2002, 06:03 PM

Another point - is there a chance for a Russian girl who would ask her foreign boyfriend what his job is, what he drives, what he wears, if it's a flat or a house that he lives in, to get married... If yes, then what's the difference between American and Russian ladies...
Yes, I believe a Russian girl SHOULD know all those things! I can't imagine a girl moving here before she knew those things, and much more!
But the woman should not NEED to ask. The man should tell her. But hopefully, he does it in a tactful manner, over time. Not like a list of items that are for sale.
I think, in that regard, there is not much difference between any women. They all want to find the best environment for their future family. But a good environment is not just the best car or clothes. There are many factors to consider, and each woman has her on values.

Tom

11-17-2002, 06:17 PM

[QUOTE= (Maroossia @ Nov. 16 2002,20:17)]You said, Adam would fear that Sveta might get the American ladies' ideas... But if a Russian lady gets too much independence, I think she becomes more like a native lady

11-17-2002, 06:30 PM

Im looking for a russian girl because American women; not all; are not very trustworthy and over the generations; have lost the idea of true love and commitment. Seems like the prettier they are; the less likely they can be trusted.

Tom

11-17-2002, 06:47 PM

Now, is Adam the same age as you? Sveta's age? What they are doing professionally? Where do they live in the US? Have they ever discussed a possibility of making a baby? ...
Adam is 2 years older than I.

Vicky

11-17-2002, 11:41 PM

Im looking for a russian girl because American women; not all; are not very trustworthy and over the generations; have lost the idea of true love and commitment. Seems like the prettier they are; the less likely they can be trusted.
Nice approach http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

So the uglier a girl is, the more faithful she is.. can be true, she just won't have a single chance to be unfaithful http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

11-18-2002, 03:39 AM

[QUOTE= (Tom @ Nov. 17 2002,20:17)][QUOTE= (Maroossia @ Nov. 16 2002,20:17)]You said, Adam would fear that Sveta might get the American ladies' ideas... But if a Russian lady gets too much independence, I think she becomes more like a native lady

11-18-2002, 08:14 PM

Well, hello to everyone!

I'm so excited, so many people, women, men, exchanging ideas, thoughts. It is very educating, I wish to thank, specially the ladies( A lovely flower for you ).

Looking for the most wonderfull person in the world, my woman, I have my profile on a two dating websites with my photos. They are really popular, I have some good friends already, I hope I will find what I'm looking for soon.

I wish to confess, visiting an international exhibition in London last week, I arrived in a press conference, for the development of St Petersburg. The hostess welcomed me, saying " Hello Vasilios".
I didn't know her.
I have never met with her before that day. It was our first meeting. She was remembered me from my profile. Although she wasn't wrote to me, she found my profile attractive, she recognised me and she told me that, she remembered me.

We had the chance to have lunch together, see London for a while together. We agrred we are not for each other, but however.....

It was a so honest aproach, from the first moment to the end. I know this a little, I have met Russian women's mentallity and I know that a Russian woman can be very honest if she feel she can trust a man. But it is always again a pleasant surprise!

In other words, for someone who really like a honest relation, without games should never try to change a Russian lady.

She don't need to be like American women, I do not think she want. A man who wish to be with a Russian woman, he just should wish to be with a Russian woman( equally with a chinese woman, Japanese woman, American woman, Philipinas woman and so on ).

But a man who looks for a Russian woman because he don't like an American woman, English woman, Greek woman, German woman, no this is wrong.
You don't bring your lifepartner in your country to change his mentallity. You love her and her mentallity and you want to be a part of this mentallity. If you choose this mentallity it must be wonderfull, don't you think?

Well, it was just a Greek opinion. Vasilios.
PS. My only question is the difference on age which is really accepted. In every respect. What ladies think here? I'm waiting impatiently!

11-18-2002, 09:40 PM

Why should I settle for a stuck up bitch with an attitude problem who doesn't take care of herself if I can find a CIS lady who is the opposite and on top of that has so much more to offer.... . And she even thinks it's normal.
It can be comprenhended in 1 word : Intelligence.

katya

11-18-2002, 09:49 PM

hi , Vasilios!
I think , that different must be not more , then 20 years. But man must be older , then woman - if only 5 years.
but another girls can be thinking another http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
and , more. if you love , don't look on age http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)) if she will love you , and you will love she , there will not be any problem , ever if you will have 30 years differense http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif But it must be love.

Vicky

11-18-2002, 11:38 PM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 18 2002,23:40)]Why should I settle for a stuck up bitch with an attitude problem who doesn't take care of herself

11-18-2002, 11:39 PM

Russian women are more family oriented and more feminine, but make no mistake - its a big hussle to bring a foreign woman in your own country. The chances are that both you and the woman will have a big culture shock so, get ready

Vicky

11-18-2002, 11:41 PM

Vasilios,

apart from that romantic meeting with a lady who remembered you by your profile... any details about that press-conference? I find this pretty interesting as well, as I live in the mentioned city that is having this anniversary.

11-18-2002, 11:47 PM

Vicky

why did you set up this site, may i ask you, just curious http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I don't think the western women are happy with it

or are you ex-russian yourself ? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Vicky

11-18-2002, 11:53 PM

RussianMan,

I didn't set up any sites, not much knowledge for that http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As for this site, in my searchings I just came across it, posted few times here and now I enjoy coming here and exchanging ideas with people, giving and getting advice, and who knows, maybe making a choice? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Noway I'm EX-russian, I'm Russian from head to toes, and how can my posts here offend anyone, especially Western females, I wonder.

Satisfied? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

11-19-2002, 12:03 AM

Vicky

you were insisting on filling the survey questionaire
thats why i thought you are the site-keeper

By the way, how come you haven't got a foto,
i wanted to see your face, but couldn't find any foto

I can't understand women like yourself and Katya, who came here to meet Western men but don't show fotos

Vicky

11-19-2002, 12:17 AM

RussianMan,
I'm not insisting on filling up the survey, but I did create that poll because would like to know what most people are looking for.
Photos? Well, so far I guess I wasn't asked for a photo of mine, let me try to guess why... guys are afraid if I'm way too ugly? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Tom

11-19-2002, 12:27 AM

I have many friends in the US and they are not idiots by any means but I'm positive that without them knowing a Canadian like myself, they would be just as insular as the majority of Americans. Maybe that's part of the problem with America - the mentality that you have to become "American" to be happy in America. To give you an example of insular redneck attitudes, when I was in a tourist shop in Germany a few years ago and a family of four Americans were trying to buy something from the shop owner. The father asked the shop owner if he spoke American. Last time I checked, I think this language we are conversing in is actually called English.
AND there is a huge difference between being misunderstood as opposed to explaining something properly. It does not matter what country you are from, just because you know what the culture is like and how things work there, doesn't mean other people are expected to know the same.
I agree with your post for the most part, but I have a problem with your first paragraph. What is it about this forum, that there are so many men, so insecure with their small penis, that they feel the need to bash other peoples countries? I don

katya

11-19-2002, 04:13 AM

I can't understand women like yourself and Katya, who came here to meet Western men but don't show fotos
Was I telling , that I am looking for husband ? As I remember , no. I don't want to looking for anybody - better let anybody looking for me http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)))
I want , that people will need in me like a human , and not like beauty dolly.
P.S. people, which are my friends , have my photos.
I want to ask you too - Why I cannot find your photo anywhere ? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I am interesting to see you too. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Serge

11-19-2002, 07:34 AM

RussianMan,
I'm not insisting on filling up the survey, but I did create that poll because would like to know what most people are looking for.
Photos? Well, so far I guess I wasn't asked for a photo of mine, let me try to guess why... guys are afraid if I'm way too ugly? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Vicky...IF you show me yours.. I'll show you mine...lol

Jon

11-19-2002, 07:38 AM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 19 2002,02:03)]I can't understand women like yourself and Katya, who came here to meet Western men but don't show fotos
Was I telling , that I am looking for husband ? As I remember , no.

Serge

11-19-2002, 07:41 AM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 18 2002,05:39)]I have many friends in the US and they are not idiots by any means but I'm positive that without them knowing a Canadian like myself, they would be just as insular as the majority of Americans. Maybe that's part of the problem with America - the mentality that you have to become "American" to be happy in America. To give you an example of insular redneck attitudes, when I was in a tourist shop in Germany a few years ago and a family of four Americans were trying to buy something from the shop owner. The father asked the shop owner if he spoke American. Last time I checked, I think this language we are conversing in is actually called English.
AND there is a huge difference between being misunderstood as opposed to explaining something properly. It does not matter what country you are from, just because you know what the culture is like and how things work there, doesn't mean other people are expected to know the same.
I agree with your post for the most part, but I have a problem with your first paragraph.

Serge

11-19-2002, 07:46 AM

Jon

11-19-2002, 08:49 AM

Tom
Oh and just for the record... this Canadian rather likes his penis!

Serge

11-19-2002, 09:55 AM

[QUOTE= (Serge @ Nov. 19 2002,09:46)]Tom
Oh and just for the record... this Canadian rather likes his penis!

11-19-2002, 11:12 AM

i having been to russia 3 times, poland, estonia, and check republic...find the russians to be quite positive, even if they have next to nothing...how people survive is a mystery..even to the russians themselves....russian women tend to be quite fast getting off the mark......because life is uncertain...you might not return...going even to a simple cafe, is a luxury, small gifts are quite important...especially perfume. and privacy is paramount...rent a clean appartment, rather than hotel....hotel tend to be bordellos...quite cold and a character unlike no other..remaining sober, calm and quiet are respected..a sense of pride, clean shoes, clean shaven,,,a little hint of after shave....politeness and respect......if your relationship fails, dont be disheartened....another cherrie wil be along later.......romeo england

Vicky

11-19-2002, 12:41 PM

Vicky...IF you show me yours.. I'll show you mine...lol
Serge,

it's the second day I know you, and there are already conditions you lay down http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Offering me exchange? No http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif If you want to see to what extent I'm ugly, send your pic first, that's fair http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

katya

11-19-2002, 04:42 PM

[QUOTE= (Jon @ Nov. 19 2002,09:38)]

11-19-2002, 06:09 PM

Hello Vicky,

Sorry, but I never said it was a romantic meeting between me and the Russian lady in London. I do not know if she believe that it was this way. But I couldn't say that during her absense.

It was a friendly meeting, very happy, honest and funny( under those unexpected condicions). I'm sure she surprised herself too. We became friends immidiately, this is what I could say. And I wished to underline her honest aproach to me.

But let's come to the point, the press conference. It has to do with the 300 years of Celebration of St Petersburg. It is taking place next May, but it is not only that!

Many exhibitions, on different kinds taking place in London and New York.
At the present moment, better say during last week besides the exhibition I'm refered ( 11-14 November ) took place the exhibition "300 Years of St. Petersburg: Russia, Open to the World" for the same dates.

Many exhibitions, conserts, celebration will take place until next May, if I remember well, some will be after the 27th of May 2003, when is the date of 300 years Spb. In any case, as "white nights" start that period, it looks that St . Petersburg will more than "Great" next summer and spring.

In the exhibition where the press conference took place, St Petersburg participated with a very impressive stand.

In the central area( about 200 sq.metres) was the miniature of the city, including canals, buildings, squares, monuments and so on, as they are in reallity. It was one of the big attractions during this exhibition.

Be sure Vicky, your city was "lighting" London last week.

Vasilios
PS.My best regards to Russia for present day.

11-19-2002, 06:38 PM

Hello Katya, I see you are well and I'm happy for you.

Thanks a lot for your reply to me, but my age don't help to make any conclusion. I'm 34, so difficult to make any point.
I think you are correct, if there is love, others comes second . But if a man love a woman, need to feel her happy( she will make him happy too by her love).

Although I understand very well what you say, sometimes it is difficult, big difference on age is not very common in western countries. Maybe priorities are different too. I do not love yet, so I think about age time by time.
I hope you are absolutely right.

Vasilios

katya

11-19-2002, 10:02 PM

hi , Vasilios
if serious , if you will be russian and will marry on russian girl 10 years old - ok .
but now some girls ever in Russia marry on man , who older she on 15-20 years .
every girl choose herself. And , of course, what kind of man - it is very important.
I know one girl, Yulya , she want to amrry very much. if he will be from another country , let he will be ever 70. Dream all her life.
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

11-19-2002, 10:43 PM

Hello Katya,

You mean that nowadays some girls never marry a man 15-20 years older, or it was like this always? I mean, girls changing their thoughts about acceptable age difference or they keep the same during the years? I 'd like very much to know!

I remember I show the profile of a girl few months ago, 19 years old, who was wishing to meet a man up to 70 years old. Her profile is not online now.

I remember because I liked her very much, she is very beautiful and warm, more than this I liked what she wrote. But I never wrote to her, because she was looking for a man 20-70 years old. I found it very strange and from a point of view very "light" or better say thoughtless.

I will never know if I did wrong, as her profile is off, propably she found what she wanted. What is your opinion on that, I mean the age range she set? Is there any common advantages compare a man 23-27 with a man 55-65?

Vasilios

Vicky

11-19-2002, 11:35 PM

Vasilios,
I think that girl just didn't care a lot of who her husband would be, maybe was just dreaming of leaving the country for somewhere else.
And every age has its advantages and disadvantages, no reason to make a detailed description here, you know it yourself.

P.S. Thanks for your conference report http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Tom

11-20-2002, 02:45 AM

[QUOTE= (Serge @ Nov. 19 2002,09:46)]Oh and just for the record... this Canadian rather likes his penis!

Serge

11-20-2002, 06:59 AM

Vicky...IF you show me yours.. I'll show you mine...lol
Serge,

it's the second day I know you, and there are already conditions you lay down http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Offering me exchange? No http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif If you want to see to what extent I'm ugly, send your pic first, that's fair http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hello Vicky...I would love to send you or anyone else here a photo of me. PLease let me know what your e mail addy and I will do so. I went to school with a woman that I thought was ugly. She was rather large, had tiny wings and a big tail. Being unattractive didn't mask the fact that she was rather talented though... she could blow fire out of her mouth http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

11-20-2002, 06:09 PM

[I] http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I think Russian woman have so much to offer and are very down to earth and sincere.

katya

11-20-2002, 06:42 PM

Hi , Vasilios!
I was means , that some girls can marry on man , who older they on 15-20 years, but usually if two Russian marry , different in age 0-10 years.
But in your country men don

11-20-2002, 11:08 PM

Hello Katya!

No,it isn't funny, it is reallity. Although you don't looked or asked for that age range, 65 years old man from USA wanted
to marry you......
Why, as there many girls who want to do it. I mean there are so many girls who want to do it in USA, in Europe, not only in
Russia. It is happening to know two Americans, lets say friends of me, in their 40's, divorced with children, who marry
second time.
The one with a girl who is 19 years old, the other with a girl 20 years old, both from USA.
Why he has to look in Russia, or anywhere out of USA.

Ok, forgive me, I forgot that maybe you are an angel!

I hope it wasn't one of the proud "guys", saying around about Russian girls he is engaged! Kind girls dreaming for their
prince to visit them and the "prince" makes a whole programme to visit two - three different cities because "visa" and ticket costs.
So by one trip, he meets his princesses. And then he comes back to his country and explain to his wife how difficult
country is Russia, so strange language, but yes, his boss is very happy. The new offices across three cities of Russia will
open soon.............

No it is not a story from my imagination dear Katya, I have been witness of such speaking. And I didn't like at all what I
heard, as I have some friends in Russia, I admire them very much and love them very much.

So, be careful yourself too, as there are not only girl scammers around the corner, there are boys or "boys" scammers too!

No, in Greece men don't marry at 25-27, or before 30. Almost never. It is the way of living for most. Very few are independent from
their parents at this age. Very very few want to be independent from their parents!
It happens very often their parents try to give them what they missed themselves in life. It is just one generation ago, or two, just some of our grandparents in other words, who left for Australia and USA, to built another life.

As you surely know, USA people is a result of emigrands from Spain, Italy, Ireland, Israel, Greece, Africa, China and so on.

But it is not only for men, it is the same for women, who are children too until 25 years. There are very few women who
marry before 26-27 years old specially in cities.

And most women born their babies after their 28th year, many times after 30's. As a result, 30%(!) of women need operation at the end of pregnancy for help to bring their baby in life( I do not know the English word, I hope you understand what I mean).

But what about Russian men, I know that many start their family earlier than we do. It is because they face the lifes' needs earlier too? It is my opinion up to now, I do not know if I'm wrong.

I do not agree with you, that you said it is simpler to change a little in younger age. A man and a woman both grow, except they love each other they should know that they wish to grow on the same direction. For a man dificult to decide this at 22 or 24 or 26.

Finally, I think here is the difference of the Russian women, for the ones who wish to see this, or need to see this.

They are in average really much more mature than the ones of same age in western countries. Whatever this means.

Sweet dreams!

Vicky

11-20-2002, 11:31 PM

Vasilios,

I really doubt women of FSU are much more mature than women of any other country, they have to face problems maybe that women of other countries never meet, but I don't think the difference is that big. Talking here about maturity only http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The age of getting married here and consequently divorcing is varied. But the tendency is against early marriages, probably because of instability. I don't know why young guys of 20 marry at this age, I have several friends in their 20-s, some of them got married out of necessity (their girlfriends got pregnant), some were sure great love finally found them. Personally I am is against early marriage either. And I don't agree that teenagers living together can make a happy family in 100% of cases. A friend of mine got married when she was 18 - wow I love him so much were her words. Well, they lived for 10 years together, got 2 kids, and now she moved to another country. With kids, but without him. To another man. I don't know how they lived together, not sure they were able to adjust to each other, as far as I know she was dating other men.
I think people should first get education, work for a while, understand what they want from life, what life can give them and what they can give it, and only after that see if they are ready to take responsibility not only for themselves but for somebody else, if they are ready at all. Same stuff with children, I don't understand why some girls are having children when they are apparently too young for it - fear of becoming an old mother? I guess a woman shall also marry only when she understands that she can give herself totally to a man she loves, and that doesn't mean she should stop working or whatever. Though here in Russia kind of 10-20 years ago it was sort of shame for a girl if she wasn't married at the age of 25... stupid.
I'm sure an early marriage is doomed to divorce, though there are happy exceptions, which actually justify the rule. As for second marriage - it might be much stronger than the first one.

Tom

11-20-2002, 11:57 PM

I really doubt women of FSU are much more mature than women of any other country, they have to face problems maybe that women of other countries never meet, but I don't think the difference is that big. Talking here about maturity only http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I think everyone is different. There is a problem with generalizations: They are so appealing, because the do tend to be true in the aggregate. But there is too much danger in counting on them to ascribe to any individual. You just may be disappointed (or pleasantly surprised, as the case may be.)

As I have mentioned, I know one Russian girl here in the USA. One person is hardly a

liam

11-21-2002, 12:41 AM

G'day,

Personally i find it real hard to believe that pretty 20 something year olds will marry a man 20 or 30 years older for reasons other than money or desperation (ie leave russia), yeah i guess younger women are often phsically more attractive but surely fantasy and reality are completely different ideals. If i see a 45 year old man with a beautiful young girl i either think she's a prositiute or he's her father. If a girls desperate to leave a certain dodgy situation such as dire poverty i can fully understand compromising her values and taking whats on offer, good or bad. Its the men who deliberately hunt down much, much younger women who i think are truely sad, perhaps they did'nt get laid enough when they were teenagers. Here in nz you can often see thai/philopino girls, real babes with fat old farm-boys, it looks pathetic. I'm sure that girls, just like men, grow up dreaming of there ideal partner, i'm 99.9% positive no-one would imagine themselves with someone 20 or 30 years older. What would a 22 year old have in common with a 50 year old?. The way i see it is if you can't 'score' yourself a beautiful young girl in your own country you should'nt degrade women in other countries with your advances just because your arrogance percieves them as poor or desperate.

cheers liam

ps i'm young and handsome so i can write to as many babes as i like, ha http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

11-21-2002, 12:46 AM

Tom

11-21-2002, 12:54 AM

[QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 20 2002,20:42)]And more http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif In Russian chat

Tom

11-21-2002, 01:02 AM

but I wanted to clarify as the mood or tone of text often times gets taken the wrong way.
I must admit, after posting a response, I reread your post a few times and simply couldn't decide what your tone was meant to be. But I was afraid that there was a chance that I had overeacted. However, I have this thing about using the EDIT feature. I think of it as 'cheating' somehow. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif So I left my post.
I am glad to se that I was wrong, and I apologize for insulting your penis http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Tom

katya

11-21-2002, 04:00 PM

Hi , Vasilis

11-21-2002, 06:01 PM

Hello Katya,

no I do not think what you think that I think!

AT ALL.

I AGREE TOTALLY WITH YOU. I hope you understand these simple words I

11-22-2002, 02:21 AM

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif The russian girls are sexys and very beautiful.
They are a good family feelings.

Lou

11-22-2002, 07:11 AM

[QUOTE= ]And about woman

Vicky

11-22-2002, 11:33 AM

This is another major difference between women from the FSU and America.
Not sure there is such a difference. Among my friends there are only two girls who had their children in early 20-s, others are not hurrying including me. A big city influence maybe?

liam

11-22-2002, 11:57 AM

G'day,
For the health of the child a woman should be under 40, giving birth after the age of 40 massively increases the possibility of the child having 'downs-syndrome' (mongol).
Generally speaking, the longer a girl is on 'the pill' the greater the chance of 'autism' for the child.

Thats about it. The rests either cultural or basically an 'old wives tale'.

cheers,
liam

Barracuda

11-22-2002, 03:35 PM

Good Morning All,

After breezing through the thirteen pages of this thread I really didn't see any mention of the one of the most important traits us "OLDER" men possess. It is called stability. Since I am 34 years old, and based on this tender age, I may or may not have the qualities of stability a younger FSU woman is looking for. I have a dynamic work history that lets me enjoy many different jobs in my short 20 year working career. But in the aspect of stability I've always had a job and sometimes more than just one. I have a stable family life with my parents and sister nearby. My parents have been married 38 years next May and they instilled many of their values into my sister and I about how relationships should work.

And what about the general economic stability of countries outside of the FSU? I live in a very stable country the USA and to the North of us Canada sits like a rock as well. I know if I were a woman this is where I would want to raise a family. But then again I am not a world traveller so I am a little biased in my statements.

To the FSU women on this site who think America is perfect I must warn you that is not and that if your intentions are to find a nice American to make your family with please realize that fact.

In Georgia I see many younger women with older men so the statement others have made that it is common here are true. My goal is to find a younger FSU woman for many reasons but little really has to do with her looks but more to do with her personallity and the fact that I still want to have children. I went through a heartbreaking relationship experience with an older woman and though I still love her very much we both realized there were far to many things we were going in different direction on. Children was one important issue since hers were raised and leaving the nest and I really do want to go through the diapers, 3am feedings, poopy pants, potty training, teething, first day of school, Christmas, trick-or-treating on Halloween, church socials, first dates, graduation, driving lessons, sending them off to college, watching them fall in love, paying for the wedding, and spoiling the grandchildren. It is a life long experience that you just can't jump into anywhere along the life of a child. (Sorry, I got off the subject http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif So I set my goal to find a woman that is from 10 years younger to 2 years older than I. So I'm looking for a woman between the ages of 24 to 36 years old. I think this is a good range for myself and I will likely stay within 5 years of my own age. Any younger and the maturity and life experiences just do not match and any older the priorities are different.

And for those guys that still think that they can score a Russian super-model because they are American. They had better think twice, life in Russia is difficult but never underestimate Russian determination to survive and live good lives.

Barracuda

Jon

11-22-2002, 05:13 PM

Hello Barracuda,

You wrote:

"And for those guys that still think that they can score a Russian super-model because they are American. They had better think twice, life in Russia is difficult but never underestimate Russian determination to survive and live good lives."

I find it interesting that you've kinda indicated no direct knowledge of Russia, but the statement above gives me to believe you know quite a bit about life in the FSU?

katya

11-22-2002, 05:16 PM

Tom.. I think , that you thinking about her ever now , and you are dreaming about her. Am I guess ? if she was choose you - it was be silly to say * no * to her.
And I am not understand , are you marry on her , or on her parents ? 12 years difference.. It isn

katya

11-22-2002, 05:19 PM

Hi , Vasilios! Of course, I don

katya

11-22-2002, 05:20 PM

Vicky , I cannot believe , that you don

Jon

11-22-2002, 07:33 PM

[quote=Guest,Nov. 21 2002,20:01]
Hi , Vasilios! Of course, I don

11-22-2002, 07:39 PM

Hello Vicky,

a very importand detail has been forgotten in my press conference report.

St Petersburg was among the 5 winners for the best stand desogn! And it was more than 5,500 exhibitors in this travel show!

But regarding mothers and children I have been sure since long time that the most beautiful woman, a man can't see her free. Because it is the woman waiting for a baby, to give birth.
Imagine that there are so many woman who have the power to bring a child although the father don't staying besides them! And the happiness of course.

ok, it just my opinion.....

Vasilis

katya

11-22-2002, 10:28 PM

Jon http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
It isn

Vasilios

11-22-2002, 10:44 PM

Hello Katya,

I understand perfectly. Very funny really. Ok, please remember that when God was raining "Brains" to humanity, some people had their umbrella opened, unfortunately.

I have been seeing girls asking at the end of their profiles that they "will not reply to a message of few words". Now I understand the reason to underline that they want to receive a real genuine letter, than a repeated word without any importand meaning.

But I want to asure you that a respectable man would never use such words like the ones you usually received .

I very much remember the words, of one member of our Parliament, about 5 years ago. He said in a small circle of friends: "What a great soul, what a great heart and beauty, a Russian woman!" His example was only the wife of a friend of himself. But have been spoke with her, he of course realise the whole picture immidiately. He is a writer also..

This happened before I met your country, and his opinion was opposite to other opinions where saying that many women from Eastern Europe countries come to our country and work in bars, strip shows and other similar jobs, increase criminality etc....
Needless to tell you, that the opinion of my friend remaind in my mind that time and, was exact what I saw when I came in your country afterwards and what I admire and like since today.

Of course not everyone has the same positive opinion about Russian women like me. This doesn't mean that I change my mind....

I wish to express my opinion to you also...

I do not agree it was correct that you took away your profile, because of the inappropriate messages you was receiving.

You didn't post your profile for the ones who DO NOT deserve your attention( If I'm wrong correct me here please).

You have posted your profile for the ones who are really interested for you! At least for the ones who respect themselves and other people!

Among them, be sure, there is someone who can make you very happy, someone you will make him very happy.

Don't dissapear, you will delay to find each other, although, it is said it is more interesting this way!

It is just my opinion.

Vasilis, Athens