I need an information about cost of the passport

[Gianni]

I am in corrispondence with a sweet girl, and I begin to think to help her to visit me.
So as she does not have passport to go abroad of Russian Federation the first step is to di this passport.
She say me that cost of passport is 78,00 Dollars.
I have nothing against give her this money, but as scammers can be hide everywhere, I think that amount that she ask me for passport is much.
Can someone Russian inform me about cost of passport, also if it must be done from an Agency ?
I give many thanks in advance
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[MartinUK]

$78 for a passport is quite reasonable BUT, will your country issue her a visa if you have never met with each other?
You would then need to send her money for visa, you can book her ticketsyourself but she may ask $1000 for tickets and whilst not necessary if you sponsor her, she may also ask for $500+ cash so your immigration will allow her into your country.
First, check with your goverment's embassy/consulate in Russia if they will grant her a visa if you have never met but think very carefully before you part with that first money, thereafter you are going to need to continue parting with money.
Also, have a look at the blacklists, do a google.com search for 'Russia Blacklist', then also search for her by name, her full name and then her name and city, i.e. 'Olga Saratov'.

[corneo]

Well, since you said "Dollars" in your post I will assume you are American. (could be wrong) If you are and she (the sweet girl) wants to come to America on her own, with/on a tourist visa (well any type of visa) I got some bad news.

There is no way possible for her to come here. To come to America from any FSU country you (the person in the FSU) must prove that they will return to the country from which they come from. To give you a idea of what I mean, they need to own a house, have lots of money, own a business, be very old. A sweet good looking girl has no chance of getting in to America on her own. (legally) That's why there is the K-1 visa. (it can take up to one year to complete)

Now, Russian women/men are very proud people. The are also known as stubborn too. For a woman to come right out and ask you for money is VERY usual. (they could be dying and won't ask)
I would say, I don't know any Russian woman that would ask for money. I do know scammers that would and from what little you have said I would say you have a scammer on your hands.

Here is a very simple test you can do to see if she is a scammer. Ask (insist) for a phone number to call her. If she has a job, she got a number at work. She has neighbors who have phones. A scammer will not give you a number because that will show they are lying to you.
You can find services that will call her and talk to her in Russian and will tell you if she is fake. (the are some companies in the US)

Here's another hint: most Russians who need money, don't have banks accounts. Why? because they make 100.00 to 200.00 a month. Why would they want one?

P.S. Passports are very cheap. As a matter of fact, Russians need a country visa just to get around. (there version of a driver license)

[MartinUK]

Another way to detect if something is wrong is that you tell her that you want to travel to her, not her to you.
Unless she is to arrange for you an apartment she has nothing financially to gain from this, unless she is to take you on her expensive shopping trips once you get there of course.
The family is very important in FSU, she should be pleased you want to go, to meet the parents etc. If she tries to reject this idea then you'll know the truth.

[mary]

I am in corrispondence with a sweet girl, and I begin to think to help her to visit me.
So as she does not have passport to go abroad of Russian Federation the first step is to di this passport.
She say me that cost of passport is 78,00 Dollars.
I have nothing against give her this money, but as scammers can be hide everywhere, I think that amount that she ask me for passport is much.
Can someone Russian inform me about cost of passport, also if it must be done from an Agency ?
I give many thanks in advance
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20 dollars

[mary]

Another way to detect if something is wrong is that you tell her that you want to travel to her, not her to you.
Unless she is to arrange for you an apartment she has nothing financially to gain from this, unless she is to take you on her expensive shopping trips once you get there of course.
The family is very important in FSU, she should be pleased you want to go, to meet the parents etc. If she tries to reject this idea then you'll know the truth.
martinUK. you will mary her or her parents http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[mary]

Well, since you said "Dollars" in your post I will assume you are American. (could be wrong) If you are and she (the sweet girl) wants to come to America on her own, with/on a tourist visa (well any type of visa) I got some bad news.

There is no way possible for her to come here. To come to America from any FSU country you (the person in the FSU) must prove that they will return to the country from which they come from. To give you a idea of what I mean, they need to own a house, have lots of money, own a business, be very old. A sweet good looking girl has no chance of getting in to America on her own. (legally) That's why there is the K-1 visa. (it can take up to one year to complete)

Now, Russian women/men are very proud people. The are also known as stubborn too. For a woman to come right out and ask you for money is VERY usual. (they could be dying and won't ask)
I would say, I don't know any Russian woman that would ask for money. I do know scammers that would and from what little you have said I would say you have a scammer on your hands.

Here is a very simple test you can do to see if she is a scammer. Ask (insist) for a phone number to call her. If she has a job, she got a number at work. She has neighbors who have phones. A scammer will not give you a number because that will show they are lying to you.
You can find services that will call her and talk to her in Russian and will tell you if she is fake. (the are some companies in the US)

Here's another hint: most Russians who need money, don't have banks accounts. Why? because they make 100.00 to 200.00 a month. Why would they want one?

P.S. Passports are very cheap. As a matter of fact, Russians need a country visa just to get around. (there version of a driver license)
I would say - to have a scammer on your arms is much better .
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[mary]

$78 for a passport is quite reasonable BUT, will your country issue her a visa if you have never met with each other?
You would then need to send her money for visa, you can book her ticketsyourself but she may ask $1000 for tickets and whilst not necessary if you sponsor her, she may also ask for $500+ cash so your immigration will allow her into your country.
First, check with your goverment's embassy/consulate in Russia if they will grant her a visa if you have never met but think very carefully before you part with that first money, thereafter you are going to need to continue parting with money.
Also, have a look at the blacklists, do a google.com search for 'Russia Blacklist', then also search for her by name, her full name and then her name and city, i.e. 'Olga Saratov'.
could you current your figures into local english currency- pounds , ...or euro, please http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[MartinUK]

Mary,
Having dated and met with a number of ladies and with numerous other FSU friends I have learnt that during a first visit to 'her' it is important to her and her parents that you meet with the parents, for this meeting, normally at the parents home, they will prepare a large meal etc.

Why should I need to quote currency in pounds, I am an internationalist, I work with USD, Euro's etc. I understand what a USD is so why should I not talk in an internationally recognised currency?

No, I have no intent to marry the parents, I am speaking from experience, where are you speaking from?

[mary]

I'm speaking from this chat room. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Yes, I agree with you - the meeting with her parents has a great importance. They will feed you every day with large meal from morning till night http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif from morning till night http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[MartinUK]

Mary,
So why did you say:

martinUK. you will mary her or her parents

?

[Thunderdome]

Mary,

[MartinUK]

And ...........
Whilst a woman being a good cook might rate quite high in FSU not all of us seek a woman for her cooking capabilities.

There are many things more important such as personality, mentality, similar interests, both wanting the same things etc. etc. etc. or in the case of John Anthony ..... blonde hair.

[mary]

Mary,
So why did you say:

martinUK. you will mary her or her parents

?
OK .
Your words:
" The family is very important in FSU, she should be pleased you want to go, to meet the parents etc. If she tries to reject this idea then you'll know the truth. "

And I understood that first of all you want to go here to meet her parents. This event is very important - if she has parents, that's good. If she doesn't have parents, or they live at another place - you know the truth.

To tell you the truth, in our country a girl introduce a guy to her parents when they have less or more serious relation. Why should she invite you into her home and introduce to her parents if she hadn't seen you before ?

Judging by your words, you will look at her parents and then will think about if a girl is worthy to be your fiancee or not.

[mary]

Whilst a woman being a good cook might rate quite high in FSU not all of us seek a woman for her cooking capabilities.

There are many things more important such as personality, mentality, similar interests, both wanting the same things etc. etc. etc. or in the case of John Anthony ..... blonde hair.
MartinUK,
Blonde hair - the Number one in every country.
Cooking capabilities - the Number Two in Russia.
Another your words is the answer to the question -
what westerners looking for here in Russia:
personality, mentality, similar interests,
both wanting the same things etc. etc. etc.

[mary]

Thunderdome,

Perhaps you do prefer to be overloaded than deal with scammer in your arms. Anyway the second one is preferaaaable.

What means " if some icehole leaves the farging language in" ?? I don't sell dress .
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[Thunderdome]

Oh Mary,

you're wrong, I prefer to be overloaded with a scammer in my arms. Loooooooots better we agree http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

You should keep me informed if you're selling your dress, but that reference was pushing the boundaries of this language a bit - too far?
You apparently were too, check your previous posts and see what's missing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[MartinUK]

Mary,

Point 1.
At no time did I say I wanted to meet 'her parents'. I merely made a point, speaking from experience, that a genuine and serious lady should want a guy to meet her parents and family.
Likewise, if she is genuine and serious then the parents and family should want to meet 'him'. What self respecting parent would approve their little girl to elope to another part of the world with a guy whom they had had the opportunity to meet but had not taken advantage of that opportunity?
They, in my experience, like to welcome the guy as part of the family whilst checking him over that he is good enough for their little girl and is not, for instance, a serial letter writer from Mexico.

Point 2. I was quoting the norm whereas a lady will either live with or live in the same city as her parents. Yes, there are some ladies who live in different locations but at no time was I suggesting these ladies are scammers when I said 'You will know the truth'.

Point 3. You are a very bad judge of words. Did anyone else here judge my words as an indication that I wanted to look at the parents before deciding if the lady was worthy enough for me? I doubt it!

Point 4. Who ever mentioned the word 'fiancee'? It wasn't me!

[wizzo]

so if we would like to summarize then I would have to come to the following conclusion. A visa - or passport at 75 USD is quite a bargain, taken into account that otherwise you will have to spend money on the Alka selzer, for the indegestion of all the food, loads of paracetamol for the headaches from sloshing all that wodka, an translator to talk to the parents (that is if you want to speak between meals and shots of smirnoff or whatever tehy serve ) and you will have spend how much time with your lady to talk?http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
real bargain if you ask me

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[MartinUK]

75$ passport + $1,000 ticket + $500-2000 travelling cash and then the risk that a close relative will fall sick just as she is about to travel, what are the chances of seeing your $3,000 again?

Alternatively, UK to Kiev at $375 return (current exchange rate bearing in mind the $ ain't worth the paper it's written on), $70 for a visa and if needed, accommodation expense at perhaps $60 a night.

No financial risk to spend a period seeing a different culture, a meal or two with the parents when the lady will translate and not an alka selzer or paracetamol in sight.

[mary]

...a meal or two with the parents when the lady will translate and not an alka selzer or paracetamol in sight.
MartinUK,

While you eat the lady will translate. Cool http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
In this way you will need A LOT of alka selzer or paracetamol after all http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

bearing in mind the $ ain't worth the paper it's written on

You are aware that it cost only about 4 cents to make a US Dollar of any value.

[MartinUK]

Would that be 4 cents at the $ current value or 4 cents in better times?

[MartinUK]

Mary,
Here we go again ..... or so it seems, you would like.

I make a post talking common sense and you retalliate with a one-liner, I am supposed to ask you to explain further, then you admit you have misunderstood and then I have to explain myself again for the simpletons amongst us.

Sorry Mary, I don't play games, got better things to do and you have become monotonous.

[Thunderdome]

Uncle Sam,

I'll make you an offer you can't refuse:
- I'll double it, 8c per any-denomination bill, and then even good fake's will be considered.
One condition only: we're talking per wheelbarrow only, I've got no time for small talk http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Mary,

I like playing games, however it would seem you do not grasp mine fully. Let's blame the language used hence I suggest you & I should meet for a game whereby talking is optional? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[mary]

Thunderdome,

Don't worry, be happy!
Calm down, every scammer will be in your arms. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

MartinUK,

I agree with you , yeah, I'm monogomous.
The problem is that cost of the passport is realy
20 dollars http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[MartinUK]

could you current your figures into local english currency- pounds , ...or euro, please

[wizzo]

Martin,
i do agree with you on the travel scheme. i would not want it any other way, it is just that i found the idea of eating all day and sloshing wodka for a couple a days quite amusing, although not realistic. Anyway.. we drifted far of the initial question, the cost of a passport. on the isuue of currency could we all agree on real money then being Swiss Francs ( not that I am swiss.. but I am all for compromising) hence we're about to have another discussion on the vlue of paper money... and the poor chap will ctill not know whether to pay for the visa or go himself..
If it is my call, i'd go to see her - saves a whole lot of hassle with embassy paperwork as well

Greetz
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[Thunderdome]

Wizzo,

AttaBoy!! It

[MartinUK]

Hi Wizzo,
Well the first point is that if two people haven't met there is only perhaps a 1% chance she will be granted a visa.

Point 2 is that it is said a passport only costs $20 but I understand if you want it 'express' it is $50 or more.

Point 3 A guy may think that he only has to risk $75 to meet his dream lady but:

She'll then need money for a visa, these cost approx $50.

She may ask for travelling expenses to apply for passport, then visa, then interview, then to airport.

She may ask for money to buy her air ticket. It is so easy for the guy to buy her ticket from where he is but you wouldn't believe the amount of guys that send $1000's.

Countries ask for between $500-2000 travelling money to prove the lady can support herself. If a guy sponsors a lady into his home country and is meeting her at the airport then this money is not required BUT this may not stop the lady holding him to ransom 'send me the money or I not come'.

The moral of the story, as soon as you start to send money you have to accept you're going to have to keep sending money. If she is the wrong sort then you have to know when to cut your losses and walk away.

Bearing in mind the family are going to want to meet you before she moves away you're going to have to make a trip to her city anyway so why not make this the first trip rather than the second. It'll be much easier for her to come to you on the second trip because at least the two of you will have proof you've met.

Martin

PS I'm quite happy to talk in USD, it was 'twisty knickers' who started the subject of pounds.

[mary]

could you current your figures into local english currency- pounds , ...or euro, please
MartinUK,

Having dated and met with a number of men I tell you from my experience that I cannot afford myself to exchange my current figure into any currency !
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[Thunderdome]

My my, my dear, that either means you're bragging or you've got an absolutely priceless figure!

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[mary]

The moral of the story, as soon as you start to send money you have to accept you're going to have to keep sending money. If she is the wrong sort then you have to know when to cut your losses and walk away.

Bearing in mind the family are going to want to meet you before she moves away you're going to have to make a trip to her city anyway so why not make this the first trip rather than the second. It'll be much easier for her to come to you on the second trip because at least the two of you will have proof you've met.

Martin

PS I'm quite happy to talk in USD, it was 'twisty knickers' who started the subject of pounds.
Ok, I won't speak about pounds this time.
I will speak about American Dollars.

The morale of the future story is if two persons - she and he, are maturity enough to understand that their relation are serious, If they plan to create a family, if they don't play, if they believe each other, they could even not have any meetings before to create such family.

Example:
One man visited Russia with humanitarian help. Here he met a lot of people and after all returned back to America. There he has a friend. He is a widower about 50 y.o. Then the man, who visited this place acquainted his friend with one of his Russian friends over the net. That woman was married. Perhaps her marriage was not successful enough... In some time after having correspondence over the net with american, she started to make divorce papers. She has three children, and when she started to divorce her husband refused to support her and their children. She said about that to her american friend. He sends her money every month.
She studies english, makes divorce documents and spends this money on life.

They are both about 50 y.o. They are no children to play in "visiting" each other.They know what they want and they believe each other. He understands that is no use to make travel visa for her to america. After have finished divorce she will make documents to go to america as his fiancee.

Very simple . Isn't it ?

Ok, if your lady/fiancee is an infant, I agree that you need to meet her parents ,to have large meal with them etc.including vodka. But who can tell you,if you would be able to nurse her without help of her parents ?
Or you plan to take them with her together ? Ha? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[mary]

My my, my dear, that either means you're bragging or you've got an absolutely priceless figure!
Thunderdome,

Have you already forgotten that everything of mine
is priceless ?!! Only foreign passport cost 20 American Dollars, because it is the second one. Did I tell you that Russians have two passports : the first one and the second one ? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[MartinUK]

It is a man's responsibility to support his wife or in this day and age, his live-in girlfriend.

Trying not be be a racist, there are nationality(s) whereas it is believed that money speaks loudest. My aunty married such a nationality after world war 2 whereas there was a saying 'oversexed, overpaid and over here'.

With regards to the daughter and parents bullshit being uttered, that subject has been clarified already.

[Thunderdome]

Mary,

no, you didn't, but I already knew.
Passports is a bit of a funny terminology however, as this name is normally used for an internationally recognized ID-document allowing to cross any border, i.e. your 20$-one.
The other I'd say is a normal ID like some other countries also have, and I understand that with only this document limited (international) travel is possible to some FSU-befriended locations.

Oh, and please don't mix up priceless with inaffordable? Not so much a matter of haggling but more that of negotiation http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[wizzo]

Martin, Thunder,

Thanks for the advice.. English not being my mother tongue I think that the joke was only clear to me and not you guys.. I do appologize for that one. To make things perfectly clear.. I would surely do things the way you guys have described them to do, cause it seems the only logical solution to me, however I kind of pictured myself having to eat those enormous meals and the quantities of wodka and it became a very funny picture.
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But as I said thanks for all the good advice, it may have served more than one person ( as usual) - and by the way guys, Am I the exception to the rule cause I am not into security http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Have a nice one.
Greetz

[MartinUK]

Can

[Nataliya]

Guys,

I hope you don't really think that you'd have to stuff yourself and drink gallons of vodka at the family dinner http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[MartinUK]

Hi Nataliya,
You know that, I know that and others know that. It is merely one individual uttering one-liner's of bullshit that suggests otherwise.

[SunnyRabbit]

She say me that cost of passport is 78,00 Dollars.
Can someone Russian inform me about cost of passport, also if it must be done from an Agency ?
Hi!
Passport registration (without time-limit) for Moscow and its region citizens is 80$, for Russia residents is 100-130$.
Period:
1,5 months - 80 $
23-25 working days - 140 $
15-16 working days - 190 $
10 - 12 working days - 250 $


[B] Nice to help you.

[wizzo]

Hi Martin,
I hope thatthe remark about the individual shooting one liners and bullshit was not directed to me.. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
It would hurt my continental feelings http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
If it is then I will understand that a humorous remark is only for the very few selected and will refrain myself from making any more comments on this forum.
I however do appreciate all the info shared here.

Regards
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[MartinUK]

Wizzo,
Most definately NO, the remark was not directed at you. Please read back and spot the one individual who time after times posts 'cocky' one-liners.
Martin

[mary]

Hi Nataliya,
You know that, I know that and others know that. It is merely one individual uttering one-liner's of bullshit that suggests otherwise.
Yes, everybody knows that vodka is one of the best means to digest "stones" into bullshit http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[MartinUK]

Wizzo,
Beginning to get the idea who I was referring to ?

[wizzo]

thanks Martin,
just wanted to make sure... since I am the newbie around here http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Thunderdome]

Yeah, but surely newbies also spot the extemely funny liners some post here?
Gosh, I'm still shuddering http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Admit it Martin, she's no fuddy-duddy http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Shudderdome

[MartinUK]

Thunderdome,
Fuddy-duddy, that's an anal thing, right?

[mary]

[QUOTE= (MartinUK @ Mar. 09 2004,02:18)]Can

[MartinUK]

I do believe the song I posted was somewhat more popular world wide, by umpteen million sales, than the Russian scammer song!

[mary]

[QUOTE= (Thunderdome @ Mar. 08 2004,09:43)]between a 20 or a 100

[Thunderdome]

Mary,

once upon a time there was a virgin. Her name was Interpreter. She was out of work and needed money, and put an ad in the paper under Girlfriday.
She was inundated with offers ranging from Au Pair to Au Menage a Trois, but her French was bad although she did not know this being a virgin.

Now you're talking US-Dollars promising an unforgettable trip to Belarus, without a doubt hearing Russian whilst English might be replaced with French.

You never understood that queue-thing did you ?

[mary]

Thunderdome,

I don't understand you without beer.
What a queue you are talking about ?

I saw HIM today at night in my dream.
HE said to me: Mary, I'm your fate.
I'm that man who will be scammed by you.
Mary, I have dreamed all my life to be scammed by you.
You are a woman of my dreams.

He was tall, blonde, with a big CD in one hand,
and the big ear in another one.
I asked HIM: Where are you from ?
Could you send me your IP?

He said to me: I could send you my CD, then
He oppened his mouth ....and I woke up. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Nataliya]

Mary,

Ever thought about using the help of your local AA?! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[MartinUK]

Nataliya,
In cockney rhyming slang would think a 'trick-cyclist' to be more appropriate.

Thunderdome,

I don't understand you without beer.
What a queue you are talking about ?

I saw HIM today at night in my dream.
HE said to me: Mary, I'm your fait.
I'm that man who will be scammed by you.
Mary, I have dreamed all my life to be scammed by you.
You are a woman of my dreams.

He was tall, blonde, with a big CD in one hand,
and the big ear in another one.
I asked HIM: Where are you from ?
Could you send me your IP?

He said to me: I could send you my CD, then
He oppened his mouth ....and I woke up. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
What does your therapist say?

The thread is actually

"...I need an information about cost of the passport...."

I am just thinking, perhaps some of the information above should be kept confidential if a certain person want to get out of the place...

-even out of the building....
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[mary]

What does your therapist say?
therapist said:

[mary]

Are you sleeping after such a speach ? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Honestly, I've read only beginning and the end.
I think he is not therapist,
he is hypnotizer.
He wants something from me http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I have not any ideas...

Maybe he needs a million ? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[mary]

If you go to her, visit her in her own environment on her own territory, you will, with a single visit, see whom she is, and that is except from the curvy lines. Her home, friends, parents maybe, work, standard of living (and do judge relative here!), social environment, all this you will see and can take on their real value. Crucial info if you ask me.
Well. A man wrote to me :"...a woman to have a perfect marriage should be three things. (1) Like mother in the Kitchen, (2) A Lady in public and (3) a whore in private."
A man come to our country to find a decent girl - (1) and (2).
Then he will make a whore from her http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ...for himself.

Thunderdome !

Why not vice verca?
To find a whore , and then make from her a decent girl - (1) and (2).

....
.
Well. A man wrote to me :"...a woman to have a perfect marriage should be three things. (1) Like mother in the Kitchen, (2) A Lady in public and (3) a whore in private."
A man come to our country to find a decent girl - (1) and (2).
Then he will make a whore from her http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ...for himself.
.
...
"....a whore in private...."

Actually:
One of the most common complaints by men is that in the west marriage and sex often is a bit like newspapers:

You buy one from time to time when you feel like it
or
you subscribe and have a regular supply.

But, in both cases, you pay.


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Ideally, a less commercial view would be better.

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[Thunderdome]

Mary,

Vice Versa?

For starters one does not find a whore, they tend to find you. And then again, a great find they normally aren

[Nataliya]

Great story Thunder,

Almost got my handkerchief ready http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif How "honourable" gentleman is even trying to consider that proposition (even if hypothetically http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif)

Here is the question born in a mind of person living in a real world- why would anyone want to find a whore and make a "lady" out of it? Not enough "good" and healthy girls around? I could possibly imagine that one is looking for a challenge, but is it worth it? You know, to carry all the "baggage" of that lady into the family?

"Pretty Woman"- it's just a film, nothing more http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

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"Pretty Woman"- it's just a film, nothing more http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

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And

"Never on a Sunday"

could mean some restrictions...
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[wavetossed]

All of this talk about whores and ladies seems a bit confused.

It comes from some advice that American mothers would give to their daughters. They would say that you must do three things to keep your man, be a cook in the kitchen, a lady in the livingroom and a whore in the bedroom.

Of course it means that a man is happy when his wife can provide tasty meals, when his guests in the livingroom are impressed by her elegance, and when he is satisfied with their love life in private. It has nothing to do with the character of a woman or her past life. It means that a woman who wants to keep her man has to actively work to make him happy.

And any man who wants to keep a wife also has to actively work to keep her happy. She wants a man who appreciates her cooking, who takes her to social gatherings where she can be the elegant lady, and who satisfies her in the bedroom. The saying is a metaphor for life. Don't pay attention to the words, look beneath them for the inner meaning.

[Nataliya]

All of this talk about whores and ladies seems a bit confused.

It comes from some advice that American mothers would give to their daughters. They would say that you must do three things to keep your man, be a cook in the kitchen, a lady in the livingroom and a whore in the bedroom.
You do seem a little confused http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Thunder's answer was a reply to the question directed to him

[QUOTE= (mary @ April 01 2004,00:04)]

Thunderdome !

Why not vice verca?
To find a whore , and then make from her a decent girl - (1) and (2).

[Thunderdome]

Pretty Woman

is not just a movie, it is a great one. Like the first Jaws it has a specific moment in it that I remember well and won

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It comes from some advice that American mothers would give to their daughters. They would say that you must do three things to keep your man, be a cook in the kitchen, a lady in the livingroom and a whore in the bedroom.
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I think we all get your drift...
(except Thunderdome who would think "...Ford across a river..." when he see 'drift')

However,
1) what would American mothers know about whores in the bedroom? -and, if they do, would they tell their daughters?
2) And more importantly, all words have connotations, and 'whore' has some serious ones along the lines of dishonesty, payment for services rendered, etc.

But, an interesting question is:
Why would the daughters need advice like that?
(and, if the husband knew about it, wouldn't he start to think about whether she was 'genuine' or she was 'play acting'?)

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PS to previous posting.
(I have to learn to think before I submit the posting)

As the story goes, American mothers give their daughters that kind of advice.

I can't see the same story being told about Italian or French mothers/daughters.

For some reason.

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Thunderdome,

"...Vice Versa?...."

-that's 'naughty poetry' in Italian, isn't it?
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[Thunderdome]

Van,

not Italian but Latin - mind your speling!

Drifting somewhat off the subject I'll admit I never think true blue. You know how to make a model-car made out of only steel wire leak oil?
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Wavetossed seems to be Russian judged by the choice of words, and someting tells me he's male.
Which makes him a sort of an oddball here ..... http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[mary]

[QUOTE= (Thunderdome @ April 02 2004,21:13)]

[mary]

Thunderdome,

I don't understand you without beer.
What a queue you are talking about ?

I saw HIM today at night in my dream.
HE said to me: Mary, I'm your fate.
I'm that man who will be scammed by you.
Mary, I have dreamed all my life to be scammed by you.
You are a woman of my dreams.

He was tall, blonde, with a big CD in one hand,
and the big ear in another one.
I asked HIM: Where are you from ?
Could you send me your IP?

He said to me: I could send you my CD, then
He oppened his mouth ....and I woke up. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Gentlemen ,

I'm not kidding. Who from you are blonde ?
I saw this man again several nights ago.
You must be serious and help me to find him asap.
I have some hints/tips :
He is blonde,
He can speack Russian.

with regards
mary http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[punc]

I'm blonde in summers.. hmm.. July is coming http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif