First date in real [Archive]

Vicky

10-30-2002, 11:07 PM

I opened this topic because I think it might be interesting to know both the stories of already made dates and of would-be ones. It's not that I'm trying to find out if there's anyone enough romantic for me or on the contrary enough straight-forward http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif (True to some extent, of course). I invite everyone here to share either a story or an expectation of the first date in real with a girl/man he/she met via the net. You know that might help to avoid making mistakes, or to get ready for any unexpected occasions, or simply to yell "wow, that's the man I was looking for" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Those who never met anyone from the net in the real life I will ask to describe a first date they will like to have.
I'm interested in this personally too coz I went thru several real dates with net people, and I can't say all of them were ideal dates.

10-31-2002, 06:02 AM

[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Oct. 31 2002,02:07)]I opened this topic because I think it might be interesting to know both the stories of already made dates and of would-be ones. It's not that I'm trying to find out if there's anyone enough romantic for me or on the contrary enough straight-forward http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif (True to some extent, of course). I invite everyone here to share either a story or an expectation of the first date in real with a girl/man he/she met via the net. You know that might help to avoid making mistakes, or to get ready for any unexpected occasions, or simply to yell "wow, that's the man I was looking for" http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Those who never met

10-31-2002, 09:11 AM

Hey dude ,you should chill on the language. Your grammar kinda sucks too. I agree with some points you have made about some women placing too much importance on their beauty. I wrote to one girl who said, " I will not write anything about myself because it is not polite. Beside , people see you from many angles. I thought that comment was extremely sexy!!! I wrote this woman and hopefully she gets back to me. I also wrote a girl on another website who said, "I could say many good things about myself. But I would not be modest and that is a trait I want my beloved to appreciate in me". This woman was extremely beautiful. I wrote her too. So there are girls who are true and beautiful on the inside. I am not a big fan of that poll that is being taken either. Look at how many people want their partner to be beautiful. It is at Zero percent, yet you look at the woman and many of them dress very provocatively. Sorry Vicky!!! Let's face, sex does sell. And being beautiful is definintely a part of the equation. I also think that sex is a major theme here. Look at the discussion between Oligarchy and April_beauty or whoever. The guy is being suggestive, and lude. So we would dishonest if we said sex did not matter. It true does. Man, you have take some grammar classes, though. Just an observation!!!!
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif Gabby

10-31-2002, 09:24 AM

Hey dude ,you should chill on the language. Your grammar kinda sucks too. I agree with some points you have made about some women placing too much importance on their beauty. I wrote to one girl who said, " I will not write anything about myself because it is not polite. Beside , people see you from many angles. I thought that comment was extremely sexy!!! I wrote this woman and hopefully she gets back to me. I also wrote a girl on another website who said, "I could say many good things about myself. But I would not be modest and that is a trait I want my beloved to appreciate in me". This woman was extremely beautiful. I wrote her too. So there are girls who are true and beautiful on the inside. I am not a big fan of that poll that is being taken either. Look at how many people want their partner to be beautiful. It is at Zero percent, yet you look at the woman and many of them dress very provocatively. Sorry Vicky!!! Let's face, sex does sell. And being beautiful is definintely a part of the equation. I also think that sex is a major theme here. Look at the discussion between Oligarchy and April_beauty or whoever. The guy is being suggestive, and lude. So we would dishonest if we said sex did not matter. It true does. Man, you have take some grammar classes, though. Just an observation!!!!
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif Gabby
Hey Gabby, check out your grammar, Homes. It is no screamin ####!!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Vicky

10-31-2002, 10:14 AM

Oh my Go-o-o-d, what a burst of emotions http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
First to the point - that was totally out of the suggested topic http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Juneau, you've written so much that I don't think it'll be possible to answer every accusation of yours, and probably it's not necessary. Just remember one more saying - treat others the way you want to be treated yourself. If you hate every idea of sites like this, why you are here? And a dreary Moscow girl might be not better than a sunny Rio girl only if you take these sites as a beef market. At least it would be nice if you show a bit of respect to people you don't know.

Gab,
if i didn't think that sex and beauty matter, I wouldn't put those lines in the poll. But you don't think those who already voted are just hypocrites? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

10-31-2002, 09:20 PM

Not at all Vicky. I am not one to hurt people here!! That is not my intention. You have done a very fine job, but it is just an observation, a comment, if you will. Please, I hope I did not offend, it is the last place for me to critize your efforts. You are trying to create a forum for open discussion. That is all!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

Hey Juneau, I hope you feel good now and you got all that hideous information of your chest. You can move on now. I hope that you find peace in your day, dude. You are very angry!!!! Peace Out, Mein Freund!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Jon

11-01-2002, 05:07 AM

Hello Vicky,

Interesting topic. My first real date with someone I've met indirectly on the net was with a woman from Ukraine. I hadn't actually looked for her, but rather she found me. At the beginning I believed it was a mistake for me to visit a few dating sites. That was until I met Galina in September 2000 through her e-mail to me.

It was the beginning of a very interesting and long story. We had almost two years together before I ended the relationship. She was 21 at the time and I was 40. I know that some people will smirk at the age difference, but Galina behaved like someone who was 30 and not 21. I was (still am) surprised by the maturity at such a young age, but I guess this is because of living conditions in her country.

Needless to say. Our first meeting was in Spain. I arranged to have her meet me in Marbella, a very lovely city and romantic. She arrived the day before me and had a chance to relax. I was in Paris and we spoke on the telephone that first night in Europe together. I can tell you that there was a lot of anticipation from both of us about the first meeting.

Here is the first paragraph of a short story about our meeting:

"The memory of Galina began to fade before our first visit was even over. I don

11-01-2002, 02:42 PM

well to say some words to this subject....
My experience this year with a girl from moscow (Irina) 21 years old ,also claimed to be a "doctor" (needless to say that russia has the most and the youngest doctors in the world). We wrote qite a few mail where she sent
me one day my romantic mail to here by accident back.Funny.... she used my words for a spanish guy "miguel " to tell him " her " romantic story.
When i faced her with that fact she denide ever having written this letter.
It must have been emails getting scrambled up (this only works in Russia)
Finally we talked on the phone. Soon she told me the story that she was going to visit her grandfather in Zurich . We should meet up there. She woukld have an appartment of his because hes an Ambassador. Beeing curious about this scam i decided to follow the plan to see how this was going to end.
Soon she asked me she to lend her money get to our meeting.
I offerded her to buy a ticket instead. No .....bla bla ..she needs to buy the ticket
at the airport in moscow. She asked me to proof that shes not "lying " by asking her randfather in Zurich.
I called the phonenumber in Zurich before the time i was supposedd to call.
Some russian woman answered and after being a bit nervous i found out that her brother was a friend of the russian girl .
The whole thing was a scam.
I called her again letting her know what i foud out and that her games will pay off one day one way or another.

so if one makes himself look at the girls in a " negative way " you call for it http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
I am sorry for all the guys who believe in it......Haha... [QUOT
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11-01-2002, 02:43 PM

11-01-2002, 02:44 PM

11-01-2002, 03:50 PM

H I need some enlightenment on a subject of scams. Here is my story. I am very new to this dating thing> I had a few bad experiences in the past I had one girl ask me for mooney after we two weeks of getting to know her. i gave so alarge amount of money. I got screwed, never heard from her again. Two months later I find this other girl, her dating agency had the nerve to ask me for money. I said NO, End or story with her. I decided to write a few girls. I had used other website which strongly recommend that you write many girls becasue some girl may not get back to you, some girls me not be live at the address show on their profile, etc. I just don't want to get hurt. so I did not put my "eggs in one basket". I wrote this one girl from the Ukraine. I wrote her twice. She was very down and had many problems. I iked her and wrote her twice very uplifting letters. She was very alone, but i could not understand it becasue she ws a snow bunny. Utterly gorgeous!!! Anyways, I got a disturbing email form her taday. She said that there is a list of men that deceive and MY NAME WAS ON IT!!! I just about fell out of my chair. I wrote her back telling her that I did write other girls because it is the pragmatic thing to do. I also tolde her that I was burned by two women already and I did want to be burned again. I also told her that I was sure that she was writing other men. I am not the jealous type. I expect that she would have other men writing her. It is the "thrill of the hunt". I told her not to judge etc. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Sorry, I'll get to the point!!! Anyways, I feel bad, but I was tryingto be pragmatic about this. I cannot believe that there is such a list, anyways. There are so many different websites all over Russia and the Ukrain, not to mention, the world. How coukld you keep track of all these women and men exchanging email. Besides ,I really don't think that I did anything wrong, or did I? A part form looking for a wife or husband,one should try to get to know the person. It just seems logical to write many different women. I have a girl that email exclusively now. But I am concerned that this so called "list" is going to be a big problem for me. I mena with this woman, I only wrote her twice. I did not meet her and have passionate sex and leave of into the sunset, never to return. I really don't see a big deal about writing a few girl. We are talking about marriage, it is an important step and should not be taken lightly. Anyways, I need some counsel on this because I am a Newbee, through and through. Thanks NEwbee http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

11-01-2002, 03:55 PM

Sorry for the grammatical erroes. i am pretty steamed about this situation. Newbee http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

katya

11-01-2002, 04:39 PM

Sorry for the grammatical erroes. i am pretty steamed about this situation. Newbee http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
newbee, please, ask your girl , where is this list?
it is very interesting http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

good. and now seriouse.
this list will not be big problem , if you will love each other. I think , that I will understand it, but , of course, it'll be unpleasure, to see man , that you like, in such list.
it means only that you was write to a very big nomber of girls.
I , if I'll be you , will go on that site, and ask , why you make me on this list? are you have any documents, what can tell , that I am bad?

11-01-2002, 06:14 PM

Hi Katya, The girl I am talking about came from this website. She told me that I am on a list and there is a picture of me on a wall. I cannot believe that. I am not interested in the girl, now. I cannot possibly see how they can have a list for men who write more than one girl. Good Lord, it is expected. I know most men expect the women to have more than one suitor. It is impossible to track the many emails that go in and out of this website, let alone other websites. Besides this girl wrote me two emails in one day and then I don't hear from her for weeks and weeks. I thought that she was not interested so I moved on. This internet dating thing is tough enough, let alone having some internet police telling you you're deceptive. I don't ever want to put a woman through that. I know what it feels like. I think that I had every right to email other women. I was reading Vicky's thread about meeting with two different people on a first date. It is obvious that she was doing the same thing as me. It is logical and it is very practical. I must maintain my innocence. I don't want to hurt anyone here. I just want to find a nice girl to marry. Besides, I am a friend of Byoofs and he devastated because of his ordeal with the girl from the Ukraine. He has decided to date a girl from Canada. The games being played here (Canada)are not as hurtful, it seems than looking for a girl in Russia or the Unkraine. I feel for him because he such a nice guy that it is terrible that people put him through this pain. By the way Katya, thanks for trying to help him. He is very proud that way, I hope he did not offend you, by not taking yur offer. He just thinks that it is his problem and no one else and he has to deal with it. I assured him that you were not offended. I told him that you understood the situation. Thanks for your kindness to him. But back to the question, Katya, do you think that she is playing games with me? It seems to me that she is. I really like this other girl and I don't want it to get screwed up because of this problem. Now the paranoia sets in. I am scared to email anyone form Russia or the Ukraine. But I'll move on!!1 Get back to please, thanks http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif Newbee

Vicky

11-01-2002, 07:16 PM

Thanks to those who started sharing with me their experiences, I'm sure we can learn much about the matter of how not to be deceived or read some extraordinary love stories.
Jon, very romantic http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
David, even negative experience is still an experience, go on trying, one example might be just an exception to the rule. And the rule is - women are not that bad, I mean they are not worse than men http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Vicky

11-01-2002, 07:25 PM

I was reading Vicky's thread about meeting with two different people on a first date. It is obvious that she was doing the same thing as me. It is logical and it is very practical.
Emmmm... Newbee... where did you read that? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I wasn't meeting two different people at one and the same time, THAT I consider not very fair. I wrote to many, that's true, and I don't think that this writing should have necessarily ended in a date and more. This at least can help me to find more friends, of different culture and mentality as well, and sharing that difference, trying to understand other people, and finally realizing that we are all the same no matter what nationality we are - isn't that good http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
So, just don't pay any attention to those lists, if you're told - you, bad boy, you're in the list - that means the girl is not much interested in you (no offence, I might be wrong), coz if she is interested, who cares about lists? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif And for sure go on writing other girls, just be careful when the relation is developing and something else except "writing" it started to develop, that' s it.
P.S. by "careful" I don't mean you should quit writing as soon as the girl tells you she earns 1 dollar per year http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Jon

11-01-2002, 08:52 PM

Vicky,

Thanks. I love romance. Walking on the beach in Spain was great. We also went to the Dominican Republic and Turkey. Had some very special moments. I had such a wonderful time with Galina. Too bad it had to end. One time I walked for two kilometers and picked wild flowers for her when she woke the next morning.

I still remember the Italian dinner when had in the Dominican Republic. The music, wine, candles and of course a beautiful friend to share the special moment with. We walked back to our hotel and shared an evening of friendship and conversation. I learned so much from her. We do continue our friendship, but I can't be her man anymore. I made that decision earlier this year. I know she is happy for me and my new girlfriend, but she is also lonely and I care very much for her. I hope she can find what happiness we shared for one and a half years together. I know that she will always be a part of my life.

Jon

11-02-2002, 01:26 AM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 01 2002,21:14)]I was reading Vicky's thread about meeting with two different people on a first date. It is obvious that she was doing the same thing as me. It is logical and it is very practical.
Emmmm... Newbee... where did you read that? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I wasn't meeting two different people at one and the same time, THAT I consider not very fair. I wrote to many, that's true, and I don't think that this writing should have necessarily ended in a date and more. This at least can help me to find more friends, of different culture and mentality as well, and sharing that difference, trying to understand other people, and finally realizing that we are all the same no matter what nationality we are - isn't that good http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
So, just don't pay any attention to those lists, if you're told - you, bad boy, you're in the list - that means the girl is not much interested in you (no offence, I might be wrong), coz if she is interested, who cares about lists? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif And for sure go on writing other girls, just be careful when the relation is developing and something else except "writing" it started to develop, that' s it.
P.S. by "careful" I don't mean you should quit writing as soon as the girl tells you she earns 1 dollar per year

Vicky

11-02-2002, 02:25 AM

Good that people ARE getting answers.
Hopefully Newbee got the answer he was expecting to get.

We won't start any threads about that problem so far, what if we proceed with the subject? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

katya

11-02-2002, 09:56 PM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 01 2002,21:14)]Hi Katya, The girl I am talking about came from this website. She told me that I am on a list and there is a picture of me on a wall. I cannot believe that. I am not interested in the girl, now. I cannot possibly see how they can have a list for men who write more than one girl. Good Lord, it is expected. I know most men expect the women to have more than one suitor. It is impossible to track the many emails that go in and out of this website, let alone other websites. Besides this girl wrote me two emails in one day and then I don't hear from her for weeks and weeks. I thought that she was not interested so I moved on. This internet dating thing is tough enough, let alone having some internet police telling you you're deceptive. I don't ever want to put a woman through that. I know what it feels like. I think that I had every right to email other women. I was reading Vicky's thread about meeting with two different people on a first date. It is obvious that she was doing the same thing as me. It is logical and it is very practical. I must maintain my innocence. I don't want to hurt anyone here. I just want to find a nice girl to marry. Besides, I am a friend of Byoofs and he devastated because of his ordeal with the girl from the Ukraine. He has decided to date a girl from Canada. The games being played here (Canada)are not as hurtful, it seems than looking for a girl in Russia or the Unkraine. I feel for him because he such a nice guy that it is terrible that people put him through this pain. By the way Katya, thanks for trying to help him. He is very proud that way, I hope he did not offend you, by not taking yur offer. He just thinks that it is his problem and no one else and he has to deal with it. I assured him that you were not offended. I told him that you understood the situation. Thanks for your kindness to him. But back to the question, Katya, do you think that she is playing games with me? It seems to me that she is. I really like this other girl and I don't want it to get screwed up because of this problem. Now the paranoia sets in. I am scared to email anyone form Russia or the Ukraine. But I'll move on!!1 Get back to please, thanks

11-03-2002, 01:36 AM

[QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 03 2002,00:56)][QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 01 2002,21:14)]Hi Katya, The girl I am talking about came from this website. She told me that I am on a list and there is a picture of me on a wall. I cannot believe that. I am not interested in the girl, now. I cannot possibly see how they can have a list for men who write more than one girl. Good Lord, it is expected. I know most men expect the women to have more than one suitor. It is impossible to track the many emails that go in and out of this website, let alone other websites. Besides this girl wrote me two emails in one day and then I don't hear from her for weeks and weeks. I thought that she was not interested so I moved on. This internet dating thing is tough enough, let alone having some internet police telling you you're deceptive. I don't ever want to put a woman through that. I know what it feels like. I think that I had every right to email other women. I was reading Vicky's thread about meeting with two different people on a first date. It is obvious that she was doing the same thing as me. It is logical and it is very practical. I must maintain my innocence. I don't want to hurt anyone here. I just want to find a nice girl to marry. Besides, I am a friend of Byoofs and he devastated because of his ordeal with the girl from the Ukraine. He has decided to date a girl from Canada. The games being played here (Canada)are not as hurtful, it seems than looking for a girl in Russia or the Unkraine. I feel for him because he such a nice guy that it is terrible that people put him through this pain. By the way Katya, thanks for trying to help him. He is very proud that way, I hope he did not offend you, by not taking yur offer. He just thinks that it is his problem and no one else and he has to deal with it. I assured him that you were not offended. I told him that you understood the situation. Thanks for your kindness to him. But back to the question, Katya, do you think that she is playing games with me? It seems to me that she is. I really like this other girl and I don't want it to get screwed up because of this problem. Now the paranoia sets in. I am scared to email anyone form Russia or the Ukraine. But I'll move on!!1 Get back to please, thanks

11-03-2002, 07:08 AM

[QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 03 2002,04:36)][QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 03 2002,00:56)][QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 01 2002,21:14)]Hi Katya, The girl I am talking about came from this website. She told me that I am on a list and there is a picture of me on a wall. I cannot believe that. I am not interested in the girl, now. I cannot possibly see how they can have a list for men who write more than one girl. Good Lord, it is expected. I know most men expect the women to have more than one suitor. It is impossible to track the many emails that go in and out of this website, let alone other websites. Besides this girl wrote me two emails in one day and then I don't hear from her for weeks and weeks. I thought that she was not interested so I moved on. This internet dating thing is tough enough, let alone having some internet police telling you you're deceptive. I don't ever want to put a woman through that. I know what it feels like. I think that I had every right to email other women. I was reading Vicky's thread about meeting with two different people on a first date. It is obvious that she was doing the same thing as me. It is logical and it is very practical. I must maintain my innocence. I don't want to hurt anyone here. I just want to find a nice girl to marry. Besides, I am a friend of Byoofs and he devastated because of his ordeal with the girl from the Ukraine. He has decided to date a girl from Canada. The games being played here (Canada)are not as hurtful, it seems than looking for a girl in Russia or the Unkraine. I feel for him because he such a nice guy that it is terrible that people put him through this pain. By the way Katya, thanks for trying to help him. He is very proud that way, I hope he did not offend you, by not taking yur offer. He just thinks that it is his problem and no one else and he has to deal with it. I assured him that you were not offended. I told him that you understood the situation. Thanks for your kindness to him. But back to the question, Katya, do you think that she is playing games with me? It seems to me that she is. I really like this other girl and I don't want it to get screwed up because of this problem. Now the paranoia sets in. I am scared to email anyone form Russia or the Ukraine. But I'll move on!!1 Get back to please, thanks

katya

11-03-2002, 02:08 PM

Newbee

11-03-2002, 02:39 PM

[quote=Guest,Nov. 03 2002,04:36]
Newbee

Vicky

11-03-2002, 03:31 PM

[quote=Guest,Nov. 03 2002,04:36]
And if letters in wonderful English , in 80% this is not real girl.

Jon

11-03-2002, 03:34 PM

Newbie Wrote:

"The first letter she told me that she was so alone. She asked me if I was alone, we could help each other through it. That is why I knew that she had cared foe me. She told me that all her family had died in an airlpane crash. They were in business and the family business went bankrupt. The is another reason why I know she cared about me. You don't you family secrets to someone you don't care about."

Newbie,

I have a question, probably already know the answer, but here it is. Isn't this the girl that asked for your financial help right off the bat? If this is true then let me tell you its a classic scam.

There are many web-sites who have women that perfom this type of scam. It's the "sympathy" variation. Mother is sick, dad is in the hospital, my dog needs an operation, etc. These types of scams are intended to pull at the old heart strings and you send money to them because "you're a nice guy" and it seems like the thing to do.

In truth, many of the FSU women I've come to know don't provide a slew of personal information in the first or second letter. They may ask you some serious questions about your plans for the future or how you feel about children. They don't come off with the financial hardship, I'm lonely routine that quickly unless there is another agenda. Many FSU woman are lonely and broke, but PROUD. I could never get my previous or current girlfriend to ask for money. It was below them to beg for money. I know my current girlfriend's mother is sick, but she would never ask me to provide financial support so her mother could get better medical care.

Be weary of the heart because it often gets us into trouble. I think it was Katya who said if a woman asks for money, then run and run fast!!!

Jon

11-03-2002, 05:05 PM

You pose an interestng point. This was another case, however. This situation transpired only about a week and a half ago. I found it very strange that she would tell that much detail about her life. I really think that she wanted to get married and she and in the worst way. She told me as such. Maybe she wanted me to offer money to her. The point that I was trying to make is that we have to talk to different people and via the process of elimination we can narrow it down or search. I know it sound very cold and calculated and not romantic, but I think one has to do it. I know once I find my "significant other", the romance betweeen will be astounding!!! Katya I hope you don't think I am a "creep" for doing this, but I do it find out who is true and who is not. it is analogous to the statement , The cream rises to the top http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Thanks Jon!! Katya and all

katya

11-03-2002, 08:56 PM

[QUOTE= (katya @ Nov. 03 2002,17:08)][QUOTE= (Guest @ Nov. 03 2002,04:36)]
And if letters in wonderful English , in 80% this is not real girl.

katya

11-03-2002, 08:57 PM

Jon

katya

11-03-2002, 08:58 PM

Newbee
Before you wasn

Jon

11-03-2002, 09:41 PM

[quote=Jon,Nov. 03 2002,18:34]
Jon

11-03-2002, 10:27 PM

[quote=Guest,Nov. 03 2002,20:05]
Newbee
Before you wasn

katya

11-04-2002, 03:05 AM

you see now http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
all will be good. in future.
it'll be a lot of strange things in your life :)but if you are good man , you'll be lucky http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

katya

11-04-2002, 03:10 AM

[QUOTE= (Jon @ Nov. 04 2002,00:41)]Katya,

I admire your ethics and morals.

Vicky

11-04-2002, 08:25 AM

By the way, it's just came into my mind, since we're talking (or were http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) about first date and now the money issue is involved. I'd like to know the opinion - when you're meeting the girl for the first time and this happens say not in her country, who's paying? Or everything should go Dutch? If she can't pay and is proud enough not to accept the fact of being dependent, does it mean you'll never meet? What are the options then?

katya

11-04-2002, 06:05 PM

For ordinary Russian girl trip in another country - it isn

Jon

11-04-2002, 09:49 PM

By the way, it's just came into my mind, since we're talking (or were http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ) about first date and now the money issue is involved. I'd like to know the opinion - when you're meeting the girl for the first time and this happens say not in her country, who's paying? Or everything should go Dutch? If she can't pay and is proud enough not to accept the fact of being dependent, does it mean you'll never meet? What are the options then?
Vicky,

It's an interesting point. I agree with Katya that for an FSU woman to afford a trip to another country is probably a wish and not reality.

The problem is two fold:

Once you take her on a trip to a nuetral country it becomes difficult to ween her off the expectations of going on multiple holidays?

The second problem is how much to spend on holiday? If you spend too little she may think you're cheap. If you spend too much then how do you ever slow down the spending?

I'm stuck in this situation because I probably didn't spend enough and may appear poor? That's really her problem and not mine, but its too bad that she has this ideal in her head. I spent $4,000.00 for ten days in Turkey and don't think I was being cheap. I just didn't go on a lot of excursions and shopping trips. I don't know this woman and won't spend that kind of money on the first date.

I may end this relationship soon because I messed up from the beginning and now I can't repair the image without spending a large sum of money to prove I'm not poor. Its too bad that she was like this because I was really starting to think of our future. I sent a couple of e-mails to her and explained my financial situation. However, I may have the potential for a better income next year and didn't mention this to her. I did mention that I usually keep $10,000.00 in my bank account for emergencies, but that doesn't make me rich either. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif -- not by a long shot!!!

So the story of finding a women in the FSU continues. I'm not too distressed because its a fact of life that some women will want to pursue a financial situation...gee, didn't we have this discussion already?

I think my buddy Russ-the-potato-head in Moscow was right all along. He said "MWNO" which means "Many Women No Obligations". He wants me to visit Moscow and party till I drop -- something about Hungry Duck? Now that is starting to sound pretty #### good at the moment. I have a couple of months off pretty soon and may just do that. I may spend another month in Korfu laying the sun. I can tell you one thing, I don't think I'll be going to Kiev in December.

I'll let you guys know what happens after tomorrow. I wrote the "What the #### do you want! Rich American or Good Husband?" -- letter and will see what happens after the dust settles.

Bye,

Jon

Vicky

11-04-2002, 10:10 PM

Taking a girl to a neutral country is not always bad, providing it's not say Italy, where things are expensive (to my opinion). If you take her to a nice beach, Greece or Cyprus is perfect, she'll be happy, and not much spending on the excursions. 4,000.00 per 10 days in Turkey I consider quite a large sum of money, but I don't agree that once you take your girl somewhere she'll be expecting the same every other weekend http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif When I meet a guy who wants to know me closer I always tell him - fine, come here. My city is not only beautiful, it's a chance to get to know different culture, and think of it - you'll probably never ever have another chance to see it. Besides when you come to a girl's city you wont have at least care how to feed her http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif it's her home, she might as well want to surprise you with her own cooking http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Actually what guy will have to spend on is ticket to and back and accomodation, coz I doubt a girl will accomodate him in her own apartment for the first time. So it's a nice and not very expensive change in conditions. Besides, it's kinda test a girl gives to her friend - are you bold enough to come here? http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Anyway, as for expectations, funny thing that once happened to me. I travelled myself to a neutral country, I don't earn much but once a year I can afford a ticket, and I went there for a first date, actually even blind date, coz pictures of the guy I had were pretty vague, but I went for personality. Now imagine he's asking me when I can come again and he doesn't understand me when I'm explaining it's pretty hard here to save 300 something usd to go abroad whenever you want. You see - not me, it's he who's expecting me to pay, coz he's inviting me to come to his country. I just shrug my shoulders, coz I don't know how to explain to a guy that with average salary of max 200 usd per month, I just cant run whenever he whistles http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Jon

11-05-2002, 07:16 AM

Vicky wrote:

"Taking a girl to a neutral country is not always bad, providing it's not say Italy, where things are expensive (to my opinion). If you take her to a nice beach, Greece or Cyprus is perfect, she'll be happy, and not much spending on the excursions. 4,000.00 per 10 days in Turkey I consider quite a large sum of money, "

Hello Vicky,

This cost included her and mine airfare, hotels, rental car, misc. travel expenses (gave her money for travelling to and from), dinners and other meals, entertainment (shows, disco, etc), taxi's, and some other expenses. Hotels were 5 stars so we were spending an average of $120.00 a day. Our airplane tickets alone were over $1000.00, plus the other fees (visas and VAT). One show alone was $130.00 for the evening.

So when you start adding all these up it came out to be around $4,000. Little more or less isn't important. I was just surprised when she kept asking me at first if I had money? I wasn't spending a lot on excursions, so she was probably thinking that I didn't have money for these activities. In truth I knew she wanted to spend time on the beach, but in the evenings we went on little excursions.

It's too bad about your situation. I know how difficult it is to travel on what the typical FSU woman earns annually. If the guy you are dating doesn't understand the economics of the FSU then he needs an education. I do have to admire your desire to pay for the trip yourself and not become dependent on the man. That is very admirable. Good going Vicky. Now if he didn't understand that then its his loss!!!

Jon

katya

11-05-2002, 05:01 PM

Jon.. you make me laugh http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
go to reat in another country can , may be , one from 1000, and , may be, from 10000 girls http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
what visas ? what tickets?
with our good salary 200 $ in month, it'll be long time before trip http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif))))

Jon

11-06-2002, 10:46 AM

Jon.. you make me laugh http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
go to reat in another country can , may be , one from 1000, and , may be, from 10000 girls http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
what visas ? what tickets?
with our good salary 200 $ in month, it'll be long time before trip http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif))))
Katya,

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly?

I didn't understand what this meant by:

"go to reat in another country can , may be , one from 1000, and , may be, from 10000 girls"

As for the tickets, her airplane ticket roundtrip from Kiev to Turkey was $530.00. My ticket was $480.00 and then in Istanbul you have to pay for visa (only $10.00 each). That's where the costs begin. I enjoyed the holiday with her and don't have a single regret. It is nice to meet new people who you might have a long term relationship with. I don't see any reason to think that it's wrong to take a woman on holiday. She already knew that I was going to be on my best behavior and sex wasn't expected or needed.

I've said before that money can't buy happiness, but it helps to make the cold winter nights a little warmer if you can go to a warm climate for a couple of weeks. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Don't worry Katya, your can find lots of places to go in Russia on your income. There are also many fine men in Russia who can afford to take you on holiday. You just have to keep looking for what's important to you.

P.S. My girlfriend only makes $70.00 each month....

Jon

katya

11-06-2002, 03:17 PM

[QUOTE= (Jon @ Nov. 06 2002,13:46)]I'm not sure if I understand you correctly?

I didn't understand what this meant by:

"go to rest in another country can , may be , one from 1000, and , may be, from 10000 girls"

As for the tickets, her airplane ticket roundtrip from Kiev to Turkey was $530.00.

Jon

11-06-2002, 07:47 PM

Katya,

Oh my dear friend...I am so sorry that you have misunderstood me. I never said for you or anyone to ask for a vacation. Please, I have too much respect for you to even begin to suggest that you as men to take you on a trip. I think this is a minor communication break-down on my part. I ask you to forgive me if I ever "implied" that you ask a foreign man (or any man) to take you on a vacation.

That wasn't my post or even my intention to insult women into believing I suggested something so dumb!!!

I invited my girlfriend on my own initiative. It was I who suggested we go to Turkey. It was I who offered to pay for her trip. It was I who made every attempt to be a gentleman during the time we spent together. She never asked me for anything.

My next trip will be in December to Kiev at her invitation to visit her in Ukriane. See her country and visit many historical sites. She is so proud of her country and wants me to know more about it.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Please forgive me if I make a mistake once in a while. My intentions are good, but it may be the way I present information that is faulty.

P.S. Thanks for the warms words.

Bye,

Jon