uk/russian dating

[andy]

I am serious about finding the right lady but am rather green at this sort of thing! Live in the UK,earn about 18,000 pounds per annum am single, no kids etc. Is that enough to attract a lady and to keep her happy?
Would appreciate any advice about the best way to go about things - if there is one!
Thanks
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[katya]

</span>I am serious about finding the right lady but am rather green at this sort of thing! Live in the UK,earn about 18,000 pounds per annum am single, no kids etc. Is that enough to attract a lady and to keep her happy?
Would appreciate any advice about the best way to go about things - if there is one!
Thanks
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silly http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)))
if you want to meet real

</span>I am serious about finding the right lady but am rather green at this sort of thing! Live in the UK,earn about 18,000 pounds per annum am single, no kids etc. Is that enough to attract a lady and to keep her happy?
Would appreciate any advice about the best way to go about things - if there is one!
Thanks
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Hello,

I don't live in the Uk so I don't know if 18,000 is good money there or not.
I have been to the former Soviet Union 41 times in the last 10 years. I have had many girlfriends and almost married one that I dated for 5 years.
I believe you should be able to locate a girl. Make sure that you find someone from small towns. Young Russian girls from big cities are already changed from the ones I met 10 years ago. Look for someone who is not a lot younger than you (perhaps no more than 10 years apart). I have see many divorces in couples here where the guys are so stupid thinking that a woman who 20 or 21 will "love" a 50 years old man forever. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[katya]

</span></span>I am serious about finding the right lady but am rather green at this sort of thing! Live in the UK,earn about 18,000 pounds per annum am single, no kids etc. Is that enough to attract a lady and to keep her happy?
Would appreciate any advice about the best way to go about things - if there is one!
Thanks
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Hello,

I don't live in the Uk so I don't know if 18,000 is good money there or not.
I have been to the former Soviet Union 41 times in the last 10 years. I have had many girlfriends and almost married one that I dated for 5 years.
I believe you should be able to locate a girl. Make sure that you find someone from small towns. Young Russian girls from big cities are already changed from the ones I met 10 years ago. Look for someone who is not a lot younger than you (perhaps no more than 10 years apart). I have see many divorces in couples here where the guys are so stupid thinking that a woman who 20 or 21 will "love" a 50 years old man forever. :)<span =''>
:)
really , very funny.
50 it is not so terrible :)
70 - it is really funny.

But have you seen a 50s upwards man dancing in a disco with a 21 year old? It is better than any comedy I have seen elsewhere.

</span>But have you seen a 50s upwards man dancing in a disco with a 21 year old? It is better than any comedy I have seen elsewhere.<span =''>
You are right, and you know it is true since obviously you are Russian, and perhaps you've done it (no offense intended). http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[B][I]I think Katya is 100% correct and gave very good advice. Never talk about money and thats not what keeps a wife. Russain and Ukrainian girls are not aliens from another planet, they are women like all women and they need to know they are loved and provided for by the one they love. Yes there are bad girls everywhere. Chances are most of you were married to an American good girl that showed you how good, nice, loving and understanding she was while she tried to take you to the cleaners in the divorce after she cheated on you. How dare you say anything bad about Russian women. Even the so called bad ones are Angels compared to what our ex wifes cost us in money and in brain damage. And it sounds like alot of you guys have alot of damage to repair. Give the Russian women a break. They are human just like the rest of us idiots. But so many definately prettier.

John(njeagle@aol.com)

Hank, when you are in your 50's you will understand. There is a quote by Shakespere that reminds me of the Ukriane. The road shall it be long with many hazards, holes and rain to slow even the strongest heart. Then by surprise just around the curve when we are so tired a weery, the road gets smooth and even and the sun comes out. We think in bliss, isn't she wonderful. Life is great. I hope this weather holds for a while but I am ready now should it not.

John (njeagle@aol.com)

Dear Andy,

Before you proceed in your seach for a wife from any country please make sure that you can afford it!!! I don't mean to say that Russian girls need some luxurious things, it's true that we can enjoy quite a modest standard of living and do not take much for granted but there are lots of other things to be taken into account. First you 'll have to come over for the personal meeting, probably not even once to get to know each other better, then you'll certailny have to pay all the immigration expenses, on her arrival to the UK she will not be allowed to work for at least 6 months, and besides, will she be able to work at all if she doesn't speak English well enough??? Are you ready for that? Secondly, Russian are very close with their families, we don't leave homes at the age of 18 and start our lives on our own. As a rule, girls leave their parents' homes only after they get married so the ties with their family and friends are very strong so she will need to come back to Russia for a visit once or twice a year. She will need to talk to them on the phone regularly, etc., etc. Can you handle all that?http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

Best wishes,

April_Beauty

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif onsarh@rambler.ru
Why do you so serious, boring?
Do you hope a good wife in Russia?

Hello All from the USA. I happened on your conversation quite by accident. And I have something I would like to add to "April Beauty"'s post. I have at least one friend who married a Russian woman. He thinks it is great and she seems to be real happy. The most important think in any relationship between two people (Man and Woman) is to be Friends first and Lovers second. And by Friends I mean "to literally walk through Fire for her." Always think of her First, yourself Second. Never Lie, Cheat or do anything that would make her feel Second Best. Language can be overcome with a little effort on you and her part. Love, once damaged, stays damaged. Just my $.02 worth.
MM

</span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Sep. 23 2002,14:25)]Dear Andy,

Before you proceed in your seach for a wife from any country please make sure that you can afford it!!! I don't mean

Katya,

I think you are very intelligent and understand a great deal about life. I just want to begin by saying that Ukrainian women are indeed very smart, lovely, trusting, honest, decent and hardworking people. It's unfortunate that men come to your country looking for a wife and instead treat your women with little or no respect. I can't speak for all western men, but I can say that to respect a woman and show her the dignity she deserves is what men should do with women from any country.

I regret that you met a man who wante sex after a few letters. Maybe this is a problem with the marriage agencies who promote this type of behavior in men. Maybe it's because men from American are more frustrated with sex in their (our) country. For whatever reason, no one should be subjected to this type of behavior.

Now, I think that any serious discussion about dating UA women needs depth and purpose. What is important for any healthy relationship is respect and trust. It is really helpful to learn about the woman, her desires, her interests, and most of all, her heart....to which all men should understand before they pursue a woman -- from any country.

How is it possible to love someone whom it is not known about her family, life, interests, and future dreams. Do men on the internet just want to take a piece of meat back to their home country and not work on developing a healthy relationship?

Who knows if love and marriage will always work, but starting with a "great" friendship sure makes it fun and enjoyable to be with the other person.

Anyone out there really believe that it is possible to fall in love and not be friends???

Jon

[katya]

</span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Sep. 24 2002,16:48)]Katya,

I think you are very intelligent and understand a great deal about life.

</span>But have you seen a 50s upwards man dancing in a disco with a 21 year old? It is better than any comedy I have seen elsewhere.<span =''>
Pozdravlayu tebya!!

[April_Beauty]

</span>[
April_Beauty
Thanks for the reply.
The only reason I mentiones money is that a lot of the girls on the sites ask for men that are 'finacially stable/secure" - to me that could mean anything!! i do understand that money does come into it (as with anything else unfortunately!) when paying for air fares/visas etc. In the Uk, girls would only be able to stay for 6 months max as a fiancee and would not be allowed to work during that time.Once married or on entering the country as a spouse,girls would be allowed to stay and work (if able or if that is their wish) for an initial period of 12 months before applying for permanent citizenship.This is providing that you prove you are able to live without the aid of state benefits for that 12 month period.I would be able to support a partner/spouse and as you say would not be very responsible on my part not to have!!!
Having said that,it would be intimidating to travel to Russia/Ukraine etc alone and I can therefore appreciate that it would be the same for anyone coming the other way - whatever the circumstances!!
Changing the subject slightly and in respect of what I have just touched upon,have any ideas about which agencies are the best to use for travel - there are so many with very differing prices etc?
Sorry for being so boring - I promise to make my next post a bit lighter!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span =''>
Dear Andy,

You know that love tours are widely advertized but I would never advise that!!!! A decent Russian woman will never go to a group tour event because it's kind of humiliating and disgraceful, it's not a flee market after all.With prostitutes involved, it turns into a sex tour. If you are not after that but looking for a genuine marriage-minded lady, you should choose to travel independently and preferably to cities smaller than Moscow and St. Petersburg. I do not represent any agency nor do I know of any but being a professional translator and a teacher of English I am sometimes hired to translate for foreign visitors in my city including those who meet ladies on the Internet and come over to visit them. Therefore I have a great experience of establishing international connections ( personal as well ) and I think I know the way how to start a successful relationship with a Russian woman and come back from Russia with love..:-). There are lots of wonderful women here who just don't go for Internet dating because they cannot communicate in English and a poor command of the English language can be a hindrance to developing a relationship even via correspondence. That's why you need to have the courage to come over and meet a few ladies even if they don't speak your language. Once you see them in person and are hopefully connected to someone, she will be motivated to learn to speak your language and you'll realize that it would have been a great mistake to refuse her just because of English. Visiting Russia is not as intimidating as it seems ( no mafia wandering armed in the streets, chasing foreigners). It's best if you have someone over here who you can trust, who can give you valuable advice and arrange your stay and meeting with the girls over here ( better not an agency because our agencies will rip you off!!!)


April_Beauty

[katya]

</span></span>[
April_Beauty<span =''>
Thanks for the reply.
The only reason I mentiones money is that a lot of the girls on the sites ask for men that are 'finacially stable/secure" - to me that could mean anything!! i do understand that money does come into it (as with anything else unfortunately!) when paying for air fares/visas etc. In the Uk, girls would only be able to stay for 6 months max as a fiancee and would not be allowed to work during that time.Once married or on entering the country as a spouse,girls would be allowed to stay and work (if able or if that is their wish) for an initial period of 12 months before applying for permanent citizenship.This is providing that you prove you are able to live without the aid of state benefits for that 12 month period.I would be able to support a partner/spouse and as you say would not be very responsible on my part not to have!!!
Having said that,it would be intimidating to travel to Russia/Ukraine etc alone and I can therefore appreciate that it would be the same for anyone coming the other way - whatever the circumstances!!
Changing the subject slightly and in respect of what I have just touched upon,have any ideas about which agencies are the best to use for travel - there are so many with very differing prices etc?
Sorry for being so boring - I promise to make my next post a bit lighter!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Dear Andy,

You know that love tours are widely advertized but I would never advise that!!!!

[April_Beauty]

Dear Katya,

I'm afraid you have misunderstood my message. If a girl speaks English it's perfect, but if she doesn't at the moment she will study it with much more effort when she knows that it'll be essential for her life in a different country. I know a lady who made such great progress after she met her future husband in person who came over here on a visit and it was amazing to see how hard she worked at English. Now she is happily married to her husband in the Netherlands and is studying Dutch so I agree with you that if you love a man you will be willing to do anything for him. But unless they met they would have had nothing!!!! That's why I say that if a man makes up his mind to come over he should have someone to trust or just hope for the best. Fortune favours the brave!!!

[Oligarch]

Foreign travel is not as foreboding as Katya and April_Beauty write. I have traveled to many countries alone. I enjoyed my stays in Moscow and St. Petersburg immensely. Everyone is very friendly (especially the ladies in the hotel lobbies). But seriously, if you need directions or information just ask any young person on the street. Most speak some English and you will meet a lot of really nice people.

[katya]

</span>Foreign travel is not as foreboding as Katya and April_Beauty write. I have traveled to many countries alone. I enjoyed my stays in Moscow and St. Petersburg immensely. Everyone is very friendly (especially the ladies in the hotel lobbies). But seriously, if you need directions or information just ask any young person on the street. Most speak some English and you will meet a lot of really nice people.<span =''>
Moscow and St. Peterburg - of course, you are right. But it is only two biggest citis in Russia. Come to little town , and you'll look all yourself.
But ever moscow men know, that best girls live not at Moskow http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)))))

</span>[QUOTE= (katya @ Sep. 24 2002,17:24)]</span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Sep. 24 2002,16:48)]Katya,

I think you are very intelligent and understand a great deal about life.

[Peter_OZ]

April_Beauty, what you say sounds resonable. I agree that agencies would "rip you off".

i have often thought to travel to the the East and as the company I work for has a large presence in the former USSR job entails travel I can easily justify a trip or more there.

However you say that you need to have someone over there that you can trust . . . ok who? and how do i get in touch with such a person?

What is the "quid pro quo?

For mine i would love to meet a nice lady from over there, women here are cold hearted so and so's. Women in Russia are so much better educated, they appear to be very articulated and intelligent and on top are very beautiful.

The task is in finding one who will love you for who you are and not simply as a meal ticket out of a #### hole.

cheers
Peter

[katya]

</span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Oct. 02 2002,12:46)]Dear Katya,

I understand you are not from Ukraine.

[April_Beauty]

</span>[QUOTE= (Peter_OZ @ Oct. 08 2002,06:12)]April_Beauty, what you say sounds resonable.

[katya]

</span>[QUOTE= (April_Beauty @ Oct. 13 2002,15:36)]</span>[QUOTE= (Peter_OZ @ Oct. 08 2002,06:12)]April_Beauty, what you say sounds resonable.

Hey , then write to me, I can send you my photo!
I live in Norway,I 20 years old:-)
olesyaandreeva@yahoo.com

</span>I am serious about finding the right lady but am rather green at this sort of thing! Live in the UK,earn about 18,000 pounds per annum am single, no kids etc. Is that enough to attract a lady and to keep her happy?
Would appreciate any advice about the best way to go about things - if there is one!
Thanks
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e mail me:!!!
olesyaandreeva@yahoo.com

</span></span>I am serious about finding the right lady but am rather green at this sort of thing! Live in the UK,earn about 18,000 pounds per annum am single, no kids etc. Is that enough to attract a lady and to keep her happy?
Would appreciate any advice about the best way to go about things - if there is one!
Thanks
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e mail me:!!!
olesyaandreeva@yahoo.com<span =''>
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I have e-mailed you today - hope to hear from you soon!

[katya]

</span><span =''>
Andy , and what ? was you find your happy ;) ?

[riffstar]

Topics do seem to appear and disappear here, don't they?

What does 18,000 pounds a year mean exactly? I've found that these russian women just don't understand that this is not so wonderful money here uin the uk. do you have morgage payments of zero or twelve grand? car payments and insurance of how much? And what do your credit card payments come to?

It's like asking how longs a piece of string?

Try asking the next russian woman you write to how a credit, debit, cashcard, cheque card works. They won't have a clue! Now if you tell them that you have a three bedroomed house and a new BMW, they will presume that that have already paid for the same. They just do not understand how finances work here.

[Vicky]

horace,

what do you expect of women who live in the country where bears walk freely along capital's streets http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif besides knowing zero about finances (and just a hint, in most offices here salary is transferred to a credit card), we are always frightened when it comes to turning an electric kettle on.

[Tom]

</span>horace,

what do you expect of women who live in the country where bears walk freely along capital's streets http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif besides knowing zero about finances (and just a hint, in most offices here salary is transferred to a credit card), we are always frightened when it comes to turning an electric kettle on.<span =''>
Actually, I think it depends on what part of the country they are from, and what their position in society is.
The Russian girl i know is from Sevastopol, Ukraine.

[Vicky]

Right, Tom,

I was just hinting at the fact that some foreigners still have stereotypes where russians are presented as more ignorant than they are. Whereas I was told a story that when american schoolkids were asked to name countries that constitued the FSU, they named Siberia among them. All that financial stuff of course is better known to those who live in megapolises, as I even doubt there are any bank branches in towns with say several thousand people population.

[Tom]

</span>I Whereas I was told a story that when american schoolkids were asked to name countries that constitued the FSU, they named Siberia among them.<span =''>
Unfortunately, that stereotype is true! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Speaking of American shows that make fun of stupid Americans...There is a very popular show called 'The Tonight Show'. For the most part, it is a tasteful variety/interview show. Well, they have this one segment that they do occasionally. The Host of the show goes out to the street and asks people who are walking down the street the MOST BASIC questions about history, politics, geography, etc. And the answers these people give are absolutely appalling. And I don't mean questions about just other countries, but our own. Questions like "who was president during the Civil War?", and getting answers like "George Washington", etc.
And they have done studies that show that these people are common, not rare.
It's very sad, really. And I don't have any explanation for it.

[Vicky]

</span></span>[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Dec. 10 2002,02:16)]I Whereas I was told a story that when american schoolkids were asked to name countries that constitued the FSU, they named Siberia among them.<span =''>
Unfortunately, that stereotype is true! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Speaking of American shows that make fun of stupid Americans...There is a very popular show called 'The Tonight Show'.

[Serge]

</span>[QUOTE= (katya @ Sep. 29 2002,08:53)][

[katya]

</span><span =''>
Not , it isn

[Tom]

</span>As far as I remember there was already a discussion somewhere about why most Americans are pretty ignorant. Can it be that they just don't care? For example, strange why Americans rarely learn foreign languages... patriotism, nationalism, or "i dont give a ####" thing?

Oh, I just realized we're discussing americans in the topic about the UK http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif) sorry islanders http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif<span =''>
As for the foreign languages issue, that is a simple one. How many languages are in widespread use on the North American continent? English and Spanish. And some French in Quebec. Americans don't need to know any other languages, unless they travel to a whole other continent. How many languages are spoken in Europe? And it is a much smaller continent (but with more people, of course.) And Americans usually go to Europe or some other continent for a once in a lifetime 2-week vacation. It simply is not practical to learn a foreign language for that. Europeans have more of a practical need to deal with each other on a much more frequent basis. Never under estimate necessity as the most fundamental reason for peoples actions.
Also, most states in the US now require that all High School students take 2 semesters of a foreign language. And most universities then require 2 or 3 more semesters. I have taken a total of 5 semesters of Spanish and 3 semesters of Russian. And I can hardly communicate in either because I never use those languages. Even this forum is in English. It's not that I 'don't care', but everywhere I go, English is what everybody is speaking. And it is not some 'American Conspiracy' to take over the world. It seems to me to be the world

[Serge]

</span></span>[QUOTE= (Vicky @ Dec. 10 2002,06:44)]As far as I remember there was already a discussion somewhere about why most Americans are pretty ignorant. Can it be that they just don't care? For example, strange why Americans rarely learn foreign languages... patriotism, nationalism, or "i dont give a ####" thing?

Oh, I just realized we're discussing americans in the topic about the UK http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif) sorry islanders http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif<span =''>
As for the foreign languages issue, that is a simple one.

[Vicky]

A very sophisticated reply, Tom http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I mean - reason rules http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

It's just that not long ago I've met an american couple, was touring them around the city, and when I asked a man why don't they know any other language except English, the asnwer was - what for? English is international, let others learn it if they want to understand us. At the same time the couple was insisting that I should take them to the Bolshoj theatre (though in their guidebook it was clearly stated the Bolshoj is in Moscow, and SPB is famous for what used to be called the Kirov ballet, which I personally consider to be better than the Bolshoj, but that's SBP vs Moscow ). It looked like they were just following some tour instructions and didn't care about anything else, so that when they are back they will be able to say we've been to every place that is in the guidebook.

[Serge]

</span>A very sophisticated reply, Tom http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I mean - reason rules http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

It's just that not long ago I've met an american couple, was touring them around the city, and when I asked a man why don't they know any other language except English, the asnwer was - what for? English is international, let others learn it if they want to understand us. At the same time the couple was insisting that I should take them to the Bolshoj theatre (though in their guidebook it was clearly stated the Bolshoj is in Moscow, and SPB is famous for what used to be called the Kirov ballet, which I personally consider to be better than the Bolshoj, but that's SBP vs Moscow ). It looked like they were just following some tour instructions and didn't care about anything else, so that when they are back they will be able to say we've been to every place that is in the guidebook.<span =''>
Vicky...I have a question. Why did you learn English as a (I presume) second language? Why now chinese?

[Vicky]

Serge,
because my parents sent me to school where English was taught starting from the second grade. Then I thought it would be unreasonable if after 8 years of learning it I would suddenly change for Chinese - totally different structure, not mentioning their writing http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif So I went on with English. Sometimes I think I should have chosen swahili - could have been not that trivial http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Serge]

</span><span =''>
Hi Vicky..I have another question. In your last post you made the following statement: "It looked like they were just following some tour instructions and didn't care about anything else, so that when they are back they will be able to say we've been to every place that is in the guidebook."

I am wondering why this disturbed you. Were you insulted because they would not allow YOU to show them the town and wanted to follow the guide book instead?
Vacations are expensive and it seems to me that they wanted to cram in as much as they could in the time that was available. Following a guide book is efficient if you are into that type of thing.
What else should they have cared about?

[Vicky]

Serge,

I wasn't insulted at all. It's another point. Here we too have a special kind of tourists, who, for example, being somewhere in the mountains, would like climbing on top of the mountain and write with big letters something like "Vasya was here", so that everyone knows they were here. In most cases I don't like when visiting some cultural place is no more than a tick in a guidebook, no interest in the place, just "N. & M. were there".

[katya]

</span><span =''>
Vicky , are they really want to see only that , that they can find in guide-book and nothing more ?
ever funny http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif in Russia so many interesting things , that cannot be book about all places http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

</span>But have you seen a 50s upwards man dancing in a disco with a 21 year old? It is better than any comedy I have seen elsewhere.<span =''>
:) I have thought long and hard about young women with older men! I always thought that it looked stupid! Now that I am olderr, I am starting to wonder? Who is laughing at whom at the end of the night? I wonder? Dan

[katya]

</span></span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Sep. 22 2002,17:32)]But have you seen a 50s upwards man dancing in a disco with a 21 year old? It is better than any comedy I have seen elsewhere.<span =''>
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I have thought long and hard about young women with older men!

[Vasilios]

</span></span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Dec. 14 2002,22:18)]</span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Sep. 22 2002,17:32)]But have you seen a 50s upwards man dancing in a disco with a 21 year old? It is better than any comedy I have seen elsewhere.<span =''>
http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I have thought long and hard about young women with older men!

[VPhantom]

</span>[QUOTE= (April_Beauty @ Sep. 25 2002,07:35)]You know that love tours are widely advertized but I would never advise that!!!!

"Moscow and St. Peterburg - of course, you are right. But it is only two biggest citis in Russia. Come to little town , and you'll look all yourself. But ever moscow men know, that best girls live not at Moskow"

Both Kaya and April Beauty are right. I've been to both Russia and Ukraine on business in to be honest, it very different than the USA. It's more dangerous than most US cities but just like here, one can avoid most problems, by being aware and careful. As for knowing English....well, I've had several friends over the years who married women from the Russia and if you don't know English, it really does make life more difficult. It takes years to learn English well enough to work in any but low paying positions. That is, if the woman wants to work. Life here is here is quite different than in Russia.


Also, I found the women in Moscow and Saint Petersurg to be quite different than women in other cities. I'd guess that's because life is much more difficult the further one lives from the two more important cities in Russia. They seem be less confident and generally nicer too. This isn't to say, such people people, can't be found in Moscow, they just seem to be less easy to find.

Steve Costa

&gt;What does 18,000 pounds a year mean exactly? I've found that these russian women just don't understand that this is not so wonderful money here uin the uk. do you have morgage payments of zero or twelve grand? car payments and insurance of how much? And what do your credit card payments come to?&lt;

A pound is worth about $1.50 per these days. One can live OK in England , if one is careful on 18,000 pound, if one doesn't live in London.

Steve Costa

[groundzero]

"April"

I have been watching this site for a few months now and would like to say "if you can read between the lines" there is ALOT of helpfull advice here. I am very disappointed in the process that russian woman go through to meet men. And to a traditional man a process is not something that he wishes to be put through. Paying a dollar to allow fate to play its part in love can have a large impact. BUT that is american thinking and in some aspects very opionated. necesity is the engine of all inventions, things must be done to make what works for the situation. I stayed away from the agencies because of this. I did find some web sites that the russian woman did not have to pay or the men have to pay to communicate with them. I also found this site which I found very usefull to understand the whole thing better. I tested some threories and before I knew it I found myself shot by cupid himself. For the record I am a bit of a pesimist and in need of some mental therapy http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif But I was able to verify her intents by NOT following the system. She actually stole my heart when I was not looking by "walking" the same steps with me. Granted it bits the big willy at times trying to learn all of the god awfull rules and regs. I had an hour learning session one night when I was trying to use a calling card. But basic phsyc will generally tell you the first reaction is the true reaction. Get involved in some hardships and see if you and the woman you seek function together. Luida has been great because she has taught me and I have taught her. Am I still pesimistic? yes, I have been trained by MY history to be so. But do I trust this situation by the events that have transpired, I must say in true honesty I have good reason to believe that she has my intrests at heart. Now granted this is a consolidate view of MANY pricipals, and some LOUSY spelling. but I only wish to share a TESTED concept that allowed me to cross that bridge in hope to help another person come to there own conclusion of thier own.

[Serge]

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Hey Guys...I just wanted to bounce something off of all of you and I mean no offence to the women that are in question here.
When I read about scammers and visa whores etc, I am starting to see that a really high percentage of themare from the ukraine. Is it just me or is this something that some of you have noticed?

Hi Serge,
I'm new to this forum, but I've been looking for a lady for a few months, and you are right. Most scammers are from Ukraine, or sometimes they use a "Russian" id. or location, but after checking through anti-scam sites, usually you find out they are from Ukraine. I've already been in touch with a few of them...

[katya]

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Nestor. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
If you are so tired from scammers , I have one girl- friend now , who a re free and want to marry on foreign man. Her name Julia , she aren

Dear Katia,
it is very kind of you, thank you very much.
You know, I'm not so tired of scammers. I haven't been scammed, ad it did not any money up to now. I have to say it is a kind of game when I'm in touch with someone I guess being a scammer. (maybe I like being a detective, and it is great to expose one of them) Of course, I will be happy to find "MY LADY", and I have some interesting contact. I hope it is hust a question of time. But thank you for your help, and I will keep in mind your proposal. Thank you.

[liam]

but katya..............she's very pretty.................and her hair can always be dyed blond http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif liam

[katya]

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Liam

[liam]

hi katya,
eerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...........well why do millions of women dye there hair, wear make-up, have cometic surgery, go fanatical at the gym, diet to loose weight, wear perfume etc etc?,these are all some of the most popular and profitable business's on earth. liam http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Vicky]

Yep, liam, world profits a lot on natural desire of women to be irresistible http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Serge]

</span>[quote=liam,Mar. 03 2003,19:27]
Liam

[liam]

smooth serge, very smooth http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[katya]

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Liam ... I am too young for using cosmetic. I prefer all nature , and I am not eat ever very good margarine - only butter; )
And women

I just love this dialog http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[riffstar]

...and I always thought that a woman's irresistability was centered more in the warmth of her heart....

[Serge]

</span>...and I always thought that a woman's irresistability was centered more in the warmth of her heart....<span =''>
lmao...Riff I noticed you removed the banner for this post

[Vicky]

</span>...and I always thought that a woman's irresistability was centered more in the warmth of her heart....<span =''>
in the uniqueness of her personality, i'd say, riffstar... warmth of the heart is not everything.

hello everybody; who wants to meet an attractive man?

[katya]

</span>hello everybody; who wants to meet an attractive man?<span =''>
attractive man ? interesting. But clever - better ;)
welcome to our talk!