scammer criterea

[markswitch]

I was trying to find a common thread to the ladies in the blacklist section but am at a bit of a loss.
The reason being
I had a brief look at some of the profiles and one woman said that she liked a man to help around the kitchen.
Another lady said that she was divorced with a child.
now,these are not the sort of profiles that would attract anyone much so it makes you wonder.
On the other hand if they look "real" then it's more likely that people would think that they are genuine.
So bottom line is "what do you look for"
I can't pick it and I was wondering if anyone else has any ideas
Mark

[nordsyd]

markswitch, I believe that they have made this board, as a warning not to send money to the girl, because it attracts unserious businesswomen.
Bought the men and the women, is only interested in writhing with people there have intension of finding a partner, make meeting.
People would loos interest, if there are too many unserious people.

[Turboguy]

I think one sign is when they start asking about money or talking about mone in their letters.

[markswitch]

Well Turboguy you are a very generous man.
I don't think that you will know if they are after your money or not if you give it to them then there will always be an uncertainty.
We have to remember that in any relationship we are giving and receiving all the time and if that balance goes out so will the relationship.
Money of course is only one factor there are many others.

[Turboguy]

Well I just got back from Russia about an hour ago. We can add another cell phone to the list of things I have contributed to the russian Economy. Actully I was scammed really badly by the gals interperter who arranged some things on my trip but my lady friend had nothing to do with it.

Just for the record, I did not mind this cell phone. She didn't ask me for it. It was my first meeting with this gal and I thought she was going to be really special. She met me at the airport with a rose for me, (shoulda been the other way around, but oh well) She paid for the car to town. (I was the guest) and kept trying to pay for things.) She walked out of one restaurant because the prices were high and she does not like expensive restaruants. We had to kill an hour while we were waiting for our photos at the one hour place and we walked through some stores. She had commented she was having trouble with her phone and while we were killing time she just happened to say she really liked a particular cell phone. I had to twist her arm for 10 minutes for her to let me buy it for her. Once I did it made you feel good. She was happier than I had been as a young child on Christmas moring and was smothering me with kisses all day. I don't regret that phone a bit and don't feel she scammed me at all. Maybe it was why we ended up in the cell phone store, but I don't care.

I am heading back to see her again in late March but don't plan to deal with her interperter any more. He not only was a crook but stupid about it as well. My gal is more upset with him than I am.

I think there are a lot of scamers there but look at how cheap that is if you get scammed and get rid of the gal. It is much cheaper than marrying a gal and then finding out they are just out for what they can get.

[Cruiser]

Turboguy,

I am planning a trip to the Ukraine mid to late spring. I have met several ladies that I have corresponed with over the last few months and one of them I'm on fire about. Do you live in the US? If so, I would like to call or email you and get some advice, because this will be my first time.

Thanks!

[Turboguy]

Hi Cruiser,
I would be happy to help you in any way I can. Yes, I live in the USA, near Pittsburgh actually. E-Mail me at turboguy2001@hotmail.com and I will help. Feel free to ask some questions here too. I am sure some general info will benfit a lot of people. Either way is fine.

[Turboguy]

Well, I put my foot in my mouth somewhere in these discussions, probably more than once but someplace I said I thought $ 150.00 a month was too high for English lessons where that was a typical monthly income for many people.

Well, let me take that back, My current main squeeze from N. Novgorod just signed up for English Lessons and what are they running her: yep, $ 150.00 a month. She is probably at a more intensive level than the other gal who was a scammer.

Why don't I think my current girl is scamming me since she also quoted $ 150.00 per month. That is easy, she won't take any money from me for them. She insists on paying for them herself even though she only makes $ 200.00 a month. She says she works, she will pay for them.

Anyway everyone, I retract my statement and appologise for any misinformation.

[Gregory45]

Its a good thing that we do not make listings of American girls that are scammers otherwise the listing will be like the New York telephone book......

[Gregory45]

I just want to tell everyone that there is a new type of scamming, this comes from Lugansk, a girl send you sexy photos and see if you want to buy them and they try for you to reply with a sexual letter, if you do, BINGO, they tell you that they are going to post your information on the net, but
they will be able to erase it, if you paid for....be ware and be careful... this scam is done usually by young girls, they use several e-mail names and are very crafty...

[Gregory45]

ITS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOS TO THINK THAT 95% OF THE PROFILES ARE BOGGUS, MAYBE 10% AND THAT PUTTING IT
HIGH. YOU CAN NOT PUT FIGURES OUT THERE IF YOU CAN
NOT BACK THOSE FIGURES. I CAN MENTION AT LEAST 20
GOOD AGENCIES THAT CAN SHOW YOU THAT EVERY SINGLE
PROFILE IS GOOD AND VALID.

THIS TYPE OF ADVERSTIZING DOES NOT BRING YOU MORE BUSINESS, ITS DISONEST TO START WITH TO SAY THAT 95% OF THE PROFILES ARE FAKE......TRY ANOTHER APPROCH TO SEEK BUSINESS.

[hapiley me]

just out of intrest and a little feed back ....at what percentage .do you think there are scammers out there http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

[alex33]

as a thumbnail rule, I think scammers represent something like 10-40%....i.e. there are probably quite many scammers, but on the other hand, the good news is most ladies here are sincere and honest! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[hapiley me]

thanks alex

it was reasuring to hear that ...iam new to this so iam on a huge learning curve at the moment http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[alex33]

some of them even ask for icecreams, that's a scam too! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Gregory45]

IF THE WOMAN IS FROM LUGANSK..........MY ADVISE...CHECKE HER OUT ONCE, TWIECE, 3 TIMES, GO TO THE RUSSIAN DETECTIVE AND CHECK IT OUT...YOU WILL SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN...

[hapiley me]

russian detective?http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif were can i find him??? ... http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Gregory45]

HAVE YOU TRY WWW.RUSSIANDETECTIVE.COM?

[nordsyd]

Evan you use Russian detective you cannot be sure that you not run into a scammer.
I met a girl three years ago. This girl was smart. Today I know that the girl have visit men in England, Germany, France, Denmark and maybe more countries. She has also met many men in her hometown.
Why is she so convincing. My story. I date her over a dinner first day. Next day wee met early in the morning and she show me her town. After lunch she take me into a underwear shop and ask me if I will give her some that she will show herself in tonight for me. She makes sex in a way there seem like a girlfriend. Next day she took me to cell phone shop and I shut give her a cell phone so we could speck together every day. So the story continuous until a year after and I must realize that it was a scam.
I gees that this girl make an income of at least twenty thousand dollars every year. She has fun with men she meets. Make a lot higher income then she could make at ordinary work. She has some small jobs.

[RedArrow]

hapiley me I am amongst many of us who treads with caution, in the knowledge that "scammers" "passport-seekers", "blackmailers" and "game-players" exist. But I am quite sure that these are only a minority compared with genuine ladies. I have been very interested to know the actual percentage. I have done my own research and found that there are a number of variables. The higher percentage is age-group 19 to 29, with peaks at 19, 25 and 29. This drops substantially between the ages 31 to 37. Scammers older than 39 seem to be insignificant. Geographical location also influences the percentage figures, as does the agency. Obviously, there may well be the risk of a higher percentage on the free-sites, but it must be remembered that there are also a lot of genuine girls who are unable to find the cost of joining a premium agency. I live in England, and it is my firm beleif that Russian and Ukrainian women are no worse that the women in my own country. Yes ! I have been "scammed" not by a Russian woman, not by a Ukrainian woman, but by an English woman, here on my own doorstep !!! I strongly beleive that the advantages outweigh the risks. Avoiding scams is a combination of common-sense and being able to identify the tell-tale signs... I have created a personal list of "scammer traits" if anyone would like a copy forwarding, my e-mail is RedArrow1111@aol.com

[RedArrow]

Gregory45 I agree totally that the ststement "95% of women are BOGUS" is unrealistic and untrue !!!
My own research and findings estimate the highest percentage to be 8% at age 19 followed by the second highest, 5% at age 25.
Good advice about Lugansk, thanks !!! Although the "golden Rule" here is to think with the brain, not what's in the trousers

[alex33]

My own research and findings estimate the highest percentage to be 8% at age 19 followed by the second highest, 5% at age 25.
I would say your "statistic" has at least two biases:

*size of the sample. hopw may women did you look at? 1000?...the smaller the number of ladies, the less reliable is your conclusion
*method. how can you tell for sure who is a scammer who is not? about good scammers you don't know from 1 letter...sometimes not after meeting them...read about the story from Nordsyd. I suppose you only identified scammers that were obvious, and missed many others.

from my own experience (not call it statistics though), my feeling is that scammers are well above 10%, maybe around 20-30% - obviously depends on age group. agency, location etc. Nevertheless, I agree that most of ladies seem to be honest and sincere http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

why nobody is advertising it as a trap: "I am searching to find a nice scammer for marriage!"...probably nearly all scammers would write, so it would be easy to put them on a blacklist http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[firedancer]

I'll just smile http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ..too stupic topic to speak.. it's so obvious where's a scammer writing and where normal girl.. just search for some brains in your heads and it will be ok. no offence.

[RedArrow]

alex33 hi, I totally agree that there are too many variables preventing accurate results. My response was in total disagreement with the figure of 95% mentioned by Gregory45. You obvioulsy have figures of 10, 20, 30% and I have no desire to dispute your own findings... But even at your maximum of 30%, this is less than one-third of the 95%. In a way you have actually supported my argument

[firedancer]

niam niam....niam...plyz Redthing translate your words http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif i'm not so well in english i can't figure out what you mean http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif i'm sooo embarassed... http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[nordsyd]

firedancer. you cannot make conclusion from letters. I have personally met girls that seem very trustworthy in letters. But there are many scamer there are easy to detect from letters.
Another problem, is that many true girls also happen to tell about there life in a way that will be understand as a lie.

[firedancer]

and that is why i don't reply and i don't meet them http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif they wouldn't believe anyway

[RedArrow]

all... just a thought... in my own country, the women of my age go for younger men... in E Europe they go for the older man... 5 or 10 years younger - fine - but a 45 yearold man pushing his luck with a 20 yearold chick is almost certainly going to be scammed - just be sensible about the age difference !!!
firedancer spend more time learning the English language and less time posting shit on here and you'll be fine...

[nordsyd]

RedArrow, a normal Fsu women want a man in her own age.
Not five or ten years younger as many men want to believe.

[alex33]

firedancer spend more time learning the English language and less time posting shit on here and you'll be fine...
sounds arrogant http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[firedancer]

F u c k up RedDick

[RedArrow]

nordsyd thanks for valued comment. Realistically, you are probably correct - but just take a look at the age range given by the girls themselves http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
When I have made the initial contact - 5 to 10 years younger, the response is very often good.
When I have been contacted by the girl first, they are usually 2 to 8 years younger.
You obviously have some knowledge and/or experience that many of us don't - could you expand on what you say please...? I am interested why you say this.

alex33 Apologies if you think I'm arrogant towards "firedancer" but I suffer fools badly !!! This character contributes nothing constructive or logical to the subject material. With limited intelligence and poor command of the English language, can relate only to my screen name "RedArrow" as "Red Dick !" - no appreciation of the fact that my name is in respect of the elite British Air Force squadron, "the Red Arrows" - I rest my case. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

firedancer Congratulations - your knowlege of a four-letter word in English is very commendable - keep up the good work, but please concentrate more on tasteful expressions !!! Wrong use of English words just makes you look stupid !!!

[firedancer]

bla bla bla.. you're the kind of people, who sit at PC day and night, just because they are worthless in real world.. yes, sure, let us see your inteligence mister Lomonosov!!! i'm sorry for you little man..

[RedArrow]

sorry firedancer You won't win this one !!! I practice Law - I'm good at exposing the stupidity of people

[firedancer]

1. i reply fast because i work with internet you chicken-head
2. i study in three universities, so what? i guess i'm smarter in this case than you little boy
3. it's you who waste space here, so shut up as you talk to me, i don't wish to see your snotty comments with my nickname.
these where the last comment to you RedDick. So long sucker!

[MrPraesident]

Sorry firedancer,

i am sorry that i have to say that to You now:

RedArrow is real smarter then You

[alex33]

a guy cannot be really smart if he offends a girl with no reason http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

if you don't like a girl, you don't have to care about her, but attacking her is simply not gentleman's behavior.

http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

maybe you just apologize, and she will be happy to forgive you http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[firedancer]

i don't care.. let him be smarter, greater or whatever..i just don't care

[Arie]

RedArrow, a normal Fsu women want a man in her own age.
Not five or ten years younger as many men want to believe.
Nordsyd, I was also sceptical at first, but I do think that many genuinely prefer older guys.

I've met quite a few girls from Petersburg and Moscow (so not the rural type, but succesful young professionals), and many still prefer older guys. They have the idea that a 20 year old guy doesn't have a stable income, will tend to womanize more, etc.. So if a girl is 20-25 herself, and looking for something serious, they'll look for an older prince.

Also in Russian adverts on dating sites (written for Russian guys, not for foreigners), they often ask for guys 5-10 years older.

P.S. I've always dated girls 0-3 years younger than me (both Dutch or Russian), so I'm not trying to clear my own conscious. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[nordsyd]

Main man for a girl to fiend. I s to fiend a man she feel safe with.
we cannot only look at age, but can we offer a girl what she want.
a young woman often fiend a young man immature. She want a man she can trust, maybe he shut also be lively and meny FSU woman exspect that it is man there pay all the bills.
but some girls i met in Ukraine have told me that there mothers didnt like that they look after ten years older men. Must of them i saw as couple in Ukraine was same age.
As it is in Holland or other places. a mother with child need a man there can and will help her.

[RedArrow]

Arie and nordsyd - Russian and Ukrainian girls that I have had association with have told me that her Father is older than her Mother by (usually) at least 5 years - it seems to be E European custom that women are much more mature than men of the same age - therefore they go for older man...

firedancer hello !!! you are so nice when you are angry

[firedancer]

I AM NOT TALKING WITH YOU!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Arie]

Main man for a girl to fiend. I s to fiend a man she feel safe with.
we cannot only look at age, but can we offer a girl what she want.
a young woman often fiend a young man immature. She want a man she can trust, maybe he shut also be lively and meny FSU woman exspect that it is man there pay all the bills.
but some girls i met in Ukraine have told me that there mothers didnt like that they look after ten years older men. Must of them i saw as couple in Ukraine was same age.
As it is in Holland or other places. a mother with child need a man there can and will help her.
So you're basically saying Ukrainian mothers prefer their daughter to have a partner of the same age? That's remarkable, because it think especially the "older" generation has been used to marrying older guys.

I do think the age-difference is getting smaller, but still present in modern-day Russia. I haven't experienced the situation in the Ukraine by myself, so maybe there's a different tradition.

Most important is to be young at heart: some 20 year olds are already pretty old in their way of thinking http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[alex33]

Most important is to be young at heart: some 20 year olds are already pretty old in their way of thinking http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
true! to feel always and always and forever young http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif