Alien culture

[dy_oll]

I am relatively new to this however; my question applies to the subject of why would a woman from Russian Federation wish to leave her home and family to marry someone of a completely different culture?

[nordsyd]

the neighbouring grass is more green.

[alex33]

the neighbouring grass is more green.
true - it rains much more in Denmark than in continental Russia / Ukraine http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[dy_oll]

Is the grass really greener, or is this a fable? I have been looking through the personals here, and have never seen such a concentration of pleasant, beautiful women in one place. I myself find this hard to believe. My way of thinking is that here, in the U.S. any of these women would have there choice of any number of prospective husbands to choose from.

[nmnative]

dl_ll, obviously you have not been to Russia, The economy and living conditions may be a little better in Mosdow or Saint Petersburg but outside of these cities it is pretty much a third world country with out a middle class.... you are either a rich business man/woman or you are pour as dirt. In other FSU countries the situation is about the same or worse. This is only one reason why these beautiful women are searching somewhere other than their counrty for love, respect and a better life.

[dy_oll]

Nmnative,

No I have not been to Russia. I am sorry, I did not know about the conditions there. But what I have been reading as far as demographics and life in the major cities. Things did not appear to be that bad. I am sorry that I am wrong. As far as my economic classification I am neither rich nor dirt poor

[dy_oll]

To add more to the subject I have been concentrating my research on Tatarstan. Conditions there to me seem comparable to cities in the US. I am I correct on this assumption? If not, enlighten me.

[orangeleo]

I don't totally agree with the idea that most russians are dirt poor. Certainly people in small villages are poor, however the vast majority of Russians live in cities where the standard of living is very adequate.

That is not to say that the wages are as high there as in the West, but the standard of living is quite similar.

What I see as the biggest problem for FSU women is that there is a continuing breakdown of the family structure.

Many men concentrate on succeeding in the new market economy and see a wife (and especially children) as an impediment to that success. Women on the other hand usually work outside the home, in the home, and take care of children, with very little help from the men.

FSU women naturally are looking for men who will honor and respect them and be financially responsible...not too much to ask. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[nmnative]

What do you mean by "comparable to the US"? If you mean by standard of living, I would like to know where you are getting your imformation because in both of my Russian visits I've not observed that Russian economy anywhere near the standards of the Western World. You will see that as many as three families survive in a single 3 room apartment. For another example, I am friendly with a very nice doctor, (her salary is paid by Russian Goverment) and she has to supliment her income with a second job in a cosmetic shop just to survive. Doctors, teachers or anyone who works civil service are very poorly paid.

[dy_oll]

What brings about the fact that men do not wish to take care of their family

[dy_oll]

Nmnative,

I have just reading on the Internet about various cities. When I say comparable, I do not mean like a third world country. My understanding is that the communications infrastructure is poor there, but the use of cell phones has increased to 60% of the populace having them. Russia is trying to draw foreign investors, but some of the instability in some areas prevents this.

[nmnative]

Yes, everyone in Russia has a cell phone. They use the "card" system where they refresh their minutes. Yes, there is allot of foreign investment in Russia. Many buildings in Saint Petersburg are undergoing major re-construction and most of the investment for the renovation is foreign money. I am not trying to give the impression that Russian people are indigent. But the cost of living in very high and wages for most are very low.

[dy_oll]

Thank-you for correcting me on my ignorance.

[nordsyd]

I have just been in Ukraine a week. There happen a lot of renavations.
People seem to be more relax then some years ago.
the main street do in many cities look like as we use to, you can buy what you want.
When you get away from main street, you meet another pictuer. Rom was not build in one day and i think that more and more Russian get hopes.

[livewithoutlimits]

To add more to the subject I have been concentrating my research on Tatarstan. Conditions there to me seem comparable to cities in the US. I am I correct on this assumption? If not, enlighten me.
I put your comment to a friend I correspond with who lives in Tatarstan. She nearly fell from the chair laughing. The average wage (she said) there is 5-6000 rubles/month. With 28 rubles/1$ you can do the maths. New-Russian excepted (but this is 1% of the population or less)
Regards

[alex33]

I have been concentrating my research on Tatarstan. Conditions there to me seem comparable to cities in the US. I am I correct on this assumption? If not, enlighten me.
why don't you move and live in Tatarstan?

you could do some more research http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

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[liam]

dy_oll http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif sorry mate, but you must be real fookin stupid to think for a single second that life in tatarstan is comparable to that of an american city!

its poor as shit http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

i've been there

[Marylin]

and went to a wicked nightclub having a sex-party http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
are tatar girls so cute?

[dy_oll]

Well I am here to learn. Correct me on my stupidity.

[dy_oll]

Sounds like it sucks there.

[nmnative]

And now you can see why so many women have profiles on the Internet. As bad as it is for men, double that for women. You ask them, they say it is getting better.....

[dy_oll]

So if this is the case, the whole region being destitute, what has happened with the new found capitolism? What is the government doing about all of this? I assume some regions are better of than others, due to available resources. Are many corporations investing. If they are or not, why?

[nmnative]

One word, corruption... the bribe system works very well from the local cop on the street all the way up the system. As an example, the first time I flew to Russia was on "Aeroflot Russian Airline". When we were boarding I was pulled to the side and was told that First Class was not sold out so I could have a first class seat for a hundred bucks and to just pay the head flight attendent.... In a resturant, want a better table, ya gotta pay. Thats the way it works.

[dy_oll]

So, basically the system is ran by the mafia, and everyone else out for a ruble. Sounds close to capitolism.

[livewithoutlimits]

So, basically the system is ran by the mafia, and everyone else out for a ruble. Sounds close to capitolism.
Yes my friend this is Capitalism with a big "C". But don't for a minute think that Russia is a third world country. In every sense of the word its on a par with the west escept for wages and standard of living.

[dy_oll]

They did beat the US in the space launches and also made the Star Wars initiative ineffective.

[dy_oll]

Why is there such a difference in wages and standard of living. Russia is full of natural resources and has a population that is incredibly educated and talented?

[nmnative]

Yeah, and at what cost to the citizens during the Soviet Reign.....

[dy_oll]

I have only the information that has been fed to me over many years through the media. I realize that corruption runs rampant, but does here also. But was Russia as evil as the west made it out to be?

[nmnative]

Many Russian people will argue that times were much better during Soviet times. Free medical, paid job, free education, etc, etc, etc. Others will tell you it is better now with the new freedoms, albeit with hard times, low wages, high cost of living. To really understand what has happened since the fall of Soviet power you would have to be a full time student with a very open mind because there are a million different stories.

[dy_oll]

Wish I could be a student, but have got to eat. How has it changed as far as the political system and the laws, rules.

As Russia becomes more aquanted with a free market system will things improve?

[liam]

anyway! enough of this naive school-boy shite!!!

go to a sex party in a russian club!!!!!!!!!!!!

Liam http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[liam]

marylin!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif theres a serious amount of hotties in Kazan!!

and a whole bunch of fucked up arab types!!! (angry stupid aggressive men.............neva-mind, 1 got a hiding from a skinny white englsihman! tom taught me the killer moves http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

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