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Pierre
12-18-2002, 12:25 PM
BE VERY CAREFUL WITH WOMEN FROM TOMSK and using dating club services (email and translation).

I have been recently scammed by this woman and I though it was my responsability to inform all potential victim and avoid them to fall into the same trap than me.

Name: Yana Solovtsova
Postal address: Russia, 634050, Tomsk, Sovetskaya St., 114 - 9.
Phone number # 00 7 9029515302

Here is my story: I read her ad on two different websites: FREE PERSONALS and EECL. I sent my first letter end of January. Then we had a correspondence for 6 months. I was really interested in her, so I stopped writting to other women I also contacted. She seemed real, and her letter seemed written personnally for me with lots of details about her family, daily life, her occupation. She was registered in a dating club in Tomsk (Linda Marriage: lindamarriage@bk.ru) and was using their services (email and translation). This dating club is a departement of the SIBERIAN LADIES AGENCY (www.ladies.tomsk.ru)

Dating club Linda address: Russia, 634021, Tomsk, Frunze, 118 - 14.
Siberian Ladies Agency address: Russia, 634021, Tomsk, Frunze Ave, 7 - 25.
(note: As you can notice, both club/agency are in the same street.)

After 4 months of correspondence, she told me that she had some financial problem and that she needed to stop to correspond with me for some time in order to save some money to rent her flat. At that time I contacted the dating club and decided paid for correspondance cost. They were raisonnable (50 USD per month for unlimited correspondance and translation). So we continued to write letter to each other. I even sent to her 2 CDs for his birthday, CDs that she received few weeks later, so the address seemed real.

All payment have been done to VADIM TSKHAI, the general manager of both agencies, via Western Union.

I finally decided to invite her to visit me. This is my first mistake. I was knowing that she could'nt afford a trip abroad, so I proposed to pay for the passport and for the ticket. For the passport, I used the dating club service that prepared all the admisitrative paper and paid the OVIR.

At the same time, she was searching a tour including plane + hotel. She found a very reasonnable price for a one week tour. I sent her via Western Union 700 USD that she received without any problem.

Last point that should have raised a (big) red flag in my mind: When I sent the money for the plane ticket to come to visit me, the destination address was Russia, Tomsk, Frunze Ave, 7 - 25, Yana Solovtsova. Curiously, the address is the same than the main agency: Siberian Ladies.

Anyway, after getting the money she continued to write me for 3 weeks and asked me lot of questions about her first trip abroad. She even phoned me two times. The last call was one week before our meeting. then, she let me take the train and waited for her at the airport ... but she never came. That was particularly cruel to let me believe that she would come.

Of course, since that date, I haven't any news from her.
Few days after, I requested (but too late ...) a background check about her. And I started to realize that I falled into a trap: I can't find the person named "Yana Solovtsova", DOB 05/18/1976, in Tomsk, Russia !! She is Unregistered person. Her address "Sovetskaya St., 114 - 9" is registered at other person. It's may be that she is a scam artist..
I've checked her mother also. Unfortunately, I can't find the person named "Lilia Solovtsova", 53 y.o. in Kemerovo.
Her street address "Tuhchevfk 17-4" is unreal. The postal (ZIP) code 638257 is UNREAL too.
Kemerovo has the code # 650000. PPS. The phone # 00 7 9029515302 is a mobile phone. Unfortunately, I can't find its owner. This is impossible there.

So, I contacted immediately the dating club, but they refused to help. Here is their answer:

"... We can't send you any official information about Yana Solovtsova because we have a written agreement with her (as well as with all our clients) that we can't tell or write any information about her from the first application form that she filled and any other documents)."

In retrospect, I suspect them to be part of the scam, their attitude is unequivocal !

Since that date, I notice another ad/profile on FREE PERSONALS and EECL from ladies living in Tomsk, using the services of a new dating club (barbara club) but the postal address is the same.

So please be very careful about ladies with an address like: 634021, Tomsk, Frunze Ave ! It's obviously a scam ...
And never send money to VADIM TSKHAI because he is the brains behind this scam !


I just hope this report will help other people.

Pierre
12-18-2002, 01:23 PM
I forgot to mentionned these links to blacklist pages:

http://www.womenrussia.com/blackpage131.htm#solovtsova
http://www.womenrussia.com/blackpage138.htm#ageeva

katya
12-19-2002, 06:43 PM
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Thank you for story. May be , it will save anybody

12-24-2002, 02:39 PM
I have a scammer to report. They are from LUgansk. (Surprise,surprise). They are the Amur agency. I wanted to help a girl Named Irina Vorobieva. She is affilated with this company. she does not have any intention of getting married or nothing. I sent 100 uS dollars to help her with the cost fo things. I sent the money to Alexander and Helen Govorov and Govorova. They told me that I could get a portion of my oney back if things did not work out. Well, I found out through another forum that she has been writing others. I am ok with that, but when I send her some money, that behaviour should stop. Anyways, I am trying to get my money. But it may be too late. Please be very aware of 'Ira' and Amur Agencies inb Lugansk. I need the website to report this situation. Katya could you supply me with this information? Thanks. Bprd

12-24-2002, 02:42 PM
Don't feel bad, she burnt me too. Just keep on loving mate. This will be over!!! You and I both deserve very special women after this. Besides, it cannot get any worse. MerryXmas Bprd and Katya!!!! Love and peace to all!!!

imported_admin
12-24-2002, 07:38 PM
</span>I have a scammer to report. They are from LUgansk. (Surprise,surprise). <span =''>
Lugansk - scammer's city?

katya
12-24-2002, 09:31 PM
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Bprd, hi!
I'll try, but first have registration and give your e-mail. I have a lot of questions to you.
Katya

12-25-2002, 05:26 AM
Hey Katya. my email address is robert_dan2003@yahoo.ca. I hope you can help. Merry Xmas to you Katya and Vicky too!!!! http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Bprd

katya
12-25-2002, 05:04 PM
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Hey, everybody!
In Russia people celebrate Christmas at January. So , thank you , but we will have it at 7 http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

12-26-2002, 04:22 AM
</span>I have a scammer to report. They are from LUgansk. (Surprise,surprise). They are the Amur agency. I wanted to help a girl Named Irina Vorobieva. She is affilated with this company. she does not have any intention of getting married or nothing. I sent 100 uS dollars to help her with the cost fo things. I sent the money to Alexander and Helen Govorov and Govorova. They told me that I could get a portion of my oney back if things did not work out. Well, I found out through another forum that she has been writing others. I am ok with that, but when I send her some money, that behaviour should stop. Anyways, I am trying to get my money. But it may be too late. Please be very aware of 'Ira' and Amur Agencies inb Lugansk. I need the website to report this situation. Katya could you supply me with this information? Thanks. Bprd<span =''>
I don't usually write on these things. I would like to address the poor soul, Bprd. I got an email from this so called "woman". I could see that she was a scam artrist, but I got this email and it proves my concerns. I was very rude to her. I don't know why, it was just an "aura" of "ill will" and bad Karma that eminated from. I believe in this cosmic light. Anyways, Then she tries to set me up with her friend who did not interest me either!!! So I understand you completely and "EveryONE BEWARE OF IRA, IRINA80 or IRINA Vorobieva. She is bad news!!!! Stay far way from her. Hey, Bprd, my advise as a surgeon and a lover. Go out with a Western girl. This is just too much hassle and it does not seem that Eastern Eurpopean women are and less offensive then wertern chicks at playing games. Cheers Up and if you are ever in Nanaimo, come in and I give a physical and will go out for a "canadian". Bye.

12-26-2002, 04:32 AM
</span></span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Dec. 24 2002,16:39)]I have a scammer to report. They are from LUgansk. (Surprise,surprise). They are the Amur agency. I wanted to help a girl Named Irina Vorobieva. She is affilated with this company. she does not have any intention of getting married or nothing. I sent 100 uS dollars to help her with the cost fo things. I sent the money to Alexander and Helen Govorov and Govorova. They told me that I could get a portion of my oney back if things did not work out. Well, I found out through another forum that she has been writing others. I am ok with that, but when I send her some money, that behaviour should stop. Anyways, I am trying to get my money. But it may be too late. Please be very aware of 'Ira' and Amur Agencies inb Lugansk. I need the website to report this situation. Katya could you supply me with this information? Thanks. Bprd<span =''>
I don't usually write on these things. I would like to address the poor soul, Bprd. I got an email from this

katya
12-26-2002, 04:32 AM
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hi, Dr Baldwin!

you wasn't see, how many good girls are.
you wasn't see, how often they meet bad boys.
you was meet one woman ( and I cannot promise, that it is woman ), and now telling about all?
thanks.

12-26-2002, 04:49 AM
Yes, my dear, you may think that you have a point. But I assure you of two imutable facts. People fall out of love as fast as they fall into love, and when that happens the woman will go after all assets you own. My friend from Port hardy is suffering. Can you imagine the humilation he is going through? Not only does he have to explain to his peers in Canada why he is trying so hard to get a woman in the CIS, but they look at him with contempt because there are perfectly good women here and they are not looking for citizenship or entitlment of half of all assets. My dear Katya, I speak for experience and you speak from "rosey coloured glasses'". I appreciate you naivity but you are going to be hurt if you don't wake up. It can be a brutal, dog eat dog world, out there. As Abe Lincoln said," goodness and love do not always win out, sometime darker forces win and crowd out the Angels of our better nature. Think about that when divorce proceedings roll around Katie or Katya. Man, Bprd, I should have gotten my secretary to type this out. But I am so embarrassed being on this forum. if the colleagues would see this the would have a "field day". Fear of "abandonment issues" and the like. You'd figure after 9 years of medical school and a degree in Biochemistry, I would be able to write better. Keep a stiff uppper lip Bprd. Pop in Nanaimo and will visit Howie Meeker. He fishes in Parksville. Ta ta

12-26-2002, 04:56 AM
Hey from New York. I think that i have been corresponding with that girl. I saw her on Amur website. She started to write to me a couple of days ago!!. Man, she doea not waste any time. In a space of a week she has gone through three guys. I don't see American girls have that track record. I thought that Russian and Ukrainians were supposed to be so loyal and stuff. she told me that she was LOYAL. What a load of crap!!! Well, I ain't writing her again. Screw it I don't nee this from her. And Katya, no offense but start taking a more objective approach to men. Men get just as hurt as women do!! i hurt just as bad as you do!1 Thanks Bprd.

12-26-2002, 04:59 AM
You are welcome. Well, I talked enough about this situation. i am making myself a turkey sandwich. and having a Labatt50 beer. Merry Xams all, and Merry Xmas that will be coming up in Russia. Bye

12-26-2002, 07:18 AM
I really don't like being on this forum, because I found most of the people only care about things when it happens to them. But I also had an experience with this girl. Ira Vorobieva. She asked me for money but I told her no. I just never wrote her again. She has no idea what she is doing and she has no conscience. I think she keep going until she'll find the right guy and then she'll keep going until she hurt someone or another. I hate her guts!! She hurt and uses and abuses others and has no regret. Hey Katya, why don't you and Vicky address these issues instead of siding with the women and "Bashing the men". There are some good men out there that are devastated by YOU women.!!! But, no Katya, you are so busy looking for you "Knight in Shining Armour". Maybe you Knight is where in a garbageman's uniform, instead of armour and you are too pompous and arrogant to notice. Because he is not flash enough for you. Not everyone will be Brad Pitt, Katya. Maybe you chill out and relax and stop thinking you are above everyone. You are very pompous and arrogant. Juneau has called you nature and vicky's right!!!!! Byoof and never to return. http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

liam
12-26-2002, 08:34 AM
hey byoof, i remember you. your the guy who chucked a freaky psycho tantrum at girls you'd never even met, whats happened now?, did'nt mummy tuck you up tightly enough in bed?, did your bed-time story scare you?, oh you poor little lamb!!


liam

12-26-2002, 10:14 AM
</span>[QUOTE= (liam @ Dec. 26 2002,10:34)]hey byoof, i remember you. your the guy who chucked a freaky psycho tantrum at girls you'd never even met, whats happened now?,

12-26-2002, 10:17 AM
Good one!!! I think 1200 NZ dollars is worth maybe 10 bucks US or so!!! Not much more. JZ

liam
12-26-2002, 11:17 AM
hahahahabyoof, whoa man, you've suddenly got real tough http://datingtalk.info/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif , what happened?, mummy said she loved you?.
i remember what you were like, liam.

ps what does mummy say when people make fun of you??

Vicky
12-26-2002, 12:52 PM
Well, well, good for you guys, with byoff especially charming. Now do turn this forum into a garbage bin, very menlike. I can't say I just don't give a **** to what byoff writes, everyone has the right to express him/herself (the mentioned Juaneau btw never wrote anything bad about Katya or me, but does byoff care).
My idea of any forum is of a place where people come first of all if they have any problems, of course we write here if we need help, it's so obvious. We might shift from serious talks and start joking as we can't be serious all the time. Wonder what makes you guys think Katya is arrogant? What i would say is that she is nice, sympathetic, ready to help, she might be naive a bit because of age, but never pompous or arrogant. Sorry for siding with Katya, byoff.
So what i personally observe here - guys who did have negative experience with women. Hopefully that doesn't turn into inferiority complex. And please don't let girls who are here trying to make some things clear for you or offer help drown in your negativity. Xmas time and New Year - isn't that time when we love the world?

katya
12-26-2002, 04:42 PM
</span>[QUOTE= (Guest @ Dec. 26 2002,09:18)]I really don't like being on this forum, because I found most of the people only